Chattanooga Shootings

[Bo D]

Let me just clear one thing up....All I stated was that it was...."ISIS inspired" ... and based on what I have read so far...that seems to hold true.  I don't think it was just a nutjob, like the kid in South Carolina.....i think this kid had more "religious/militant" motives.

It may well have been ISIS inspired. While we're speculating, let's consider the possibility that it may have been Timothy McVeigh inspired, or Charles Whitman inspired, or maybe James Oliver Huberty, Patrick H. Sherrill, James E. Pough, George Jo Hennard, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, Michael McDermott inspired, etc, etc.

[Henry Hawk]

It may well have been ISIS inspired. While we're speculating, let's consider the possibility that it may have been Timothy McVeigh inspired, or Charles Whitman inspired, or maybe James Oliver Huberty, Patrick H. Sherrill, James E. Pough, George Jo Hennard, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, Michael McDermott inspired, etc, etc.

Careful now you are being Reckless and irresponsible! 

Yes, YOU MAY be right....I'm betting on it being more militant....but, he could very well be a Islamic version of McVeigh. We may know very soon.

[libby]

As of this morning, the official news is that he had no connections to any terrorist group. I sure would like to know where you got that link. I'll bet the FBI would too!

BTW, by posting that link, you probably put yourself on a FBI/CIA/NSA watchlist. As well as everyone who clicked on your link.

Reckless and irresponsible.

[Purplelady1040]

Another service member died over the weekend or on Friday! Why is it, military personnel can't be armed on places like this? Are they afraid that one of them will go postal?

[The Troll]

  I think the news media broadcasting these killing over and over day after day, what ever they may be.  Creates copy cat killers, making these nuts think that they can be on television and famous for doing crimes like this.   

[Purplelady1040]

  I think the news media broadcasting these killing over and over day after day, what ever they may be.  Creates copy cat killers, making these nuts think that they can be on television and famous for doing crimes like this.   

Wow, something I will agree with you on and to me it is giving this jerk, what he is wanting his claim to fame!

[Locutus]

Apparently another "ISIS" inspired shooting in Chattanooga, killing 4 marines....

Wrong. 

(CNN)Chattanooga shooter Mohammed Abdulazeez told a friend that ISIS was "doing wrong" and "it was a stupid group and it was completely against Islam," the friend told CNN on Monday.

The friend, James Petty, also said that Abdulazeez taught him how to shoot an AR-15 assault rifle and that the two would practice in the woods.

The revelations about Abdulazeez came as sources told CNN that writings uncovered by investigators indicated Abdulazeez was displeased with the U.S. government, particularly its war on terror.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/20/us/tennessee-naval-reserve-shooting/index.html

[Purplelady1040]

Wrong. 

(CNN)Chattanooga shooter Mohammed Abdulazeez told a friend that ISIS was "doing wrong" and "it was a stupid group and it was completely against Islam," the friend told CNN on Monday.

The friend, James Petty, also said that Abdulazeez taught him how to shoot an AR-15 assault rifle and that the two would practice in the woods.

The revelations about Abdulazeez came as sources told CNN that writings uncovered by investigators indicated Abdulazeez was displeased with the U.S. government, particularly its war on terror.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/20/us/tennessee-naval-reserve-shooting/index.html

Thanks for posting that Locutus, I saw that earlier on yahoo but when I went back to look for it, I couldn't find it.

[Palehorse]

Another service member died over the weekend or on Friday! Why is it, military personnel can't be armed on places like this? Are they afraid that one of them will go postal?

PO2 Randall Smith died early Saturday of the wounds he incurred in Chattanooga.

Why can't they be armed in places like this?

Image; Fear coming from the gun grabbers and others, that this nation will be viewed as a military state if it arms it's recruitment center personnel and Operations Centers / bases and the personnel working there.

One only has to look back to see why they are / were fearful of arming our soldiers and sailors at home:

April 2014: Violence hit Fort Hood for a second time, when an Iraq War veteran opened fire on the base, killing three and injuring 16 others before committing suicide. Specialist Ivan A. Lopez, 34, shot himself when he was confronted by a police officer. Lopez was being treated for depression, anxiety and other behavior and mental issues, and was being evaluated for PTSD, military officials said.

March 2014: A sailor was killed while trying to stop a gunman attempting to board a ship in Norfolk, Va. Authorities say Petty Officer 2nd Class Mark Mayo, 24, jumped between the civilian shooter and a another sailor, saving her life. The alleged gunman, Jeffrey Savage, was killed by Navy security forces.

September 2013: Twelve people died and four were injured after a government contractor opened fire inside the Navy Yard complex in Washington, D.C., committing one of the worst attacks at a U.S. military installation since the November 2009 killing of 13 at Fort Hood. Gunman Aaron Alexis, who had just recently begun an assignment at the site, was shot and killed by officers. Authorities later said that Alexis, who appeared to target his victims at random, "held a delusional belief that he was being controlled or influenced by extremely low frequency, or ELF, electromagnetic waves."

June 2013: An Army captain at Joint Base San Antonio-Fort Sam Houston, Texas was allegedly shot and wounded by her common-law husband, Alvin Roundtree at the Army Medical Department Center and School, where she was an instructor. Roundtree is a retired soldier.

April 2013: Lloyd Gibert, a civilian employer at a Fort Knox, Ky. parking lot, was shot to death outside the post's Army Human Resources Command building. A Fort Knox soldier, Marquinta E. Jacobs, was arrested in the killing.

March 2013: Marine Sgt. Eusebrio Lopez, a tactics instructor, shot and killed two colleagues at Marine Corps Base Quantico's Officer Candidates School in Quantico, Va. before shooting himself to death. The victims were Lance Corporal Sara Castromata, a warehouse clerk, and Corporal Jacob Wooley, a field radio operator.

December 2012: Spc. Marshall D. Drake, a soldier at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson in Alaska, shot to death a fellow solder, Pfc. Grant Wise, after a night of heavy drinking. Wise was found dead in Drake's barracks on Christmas morning. Drake was sentenced for 12 years in a military prison.



June 2012: Spc. Ricky Elder killed himself a day after allegedly shooting and killing his battalion commander, Lt. Col. Roy L. Tisdale, during a safety briefing near his unit's headquarters at Fort Bragg, N.C. News reports indicated that Elder faced legal troubles, and had said he'd been diagnosed with dementia.

May 2012: A soldier was shot by a fellow service member after a traffic accident on the grounds of Fort Carson, Colo. The shooting happened after one of the soldiers allegedly lost control of the car he was driving and crashed into the other soldier's home. After a fight, the resident opened fire, hitting the driver twice and himself once.

April 2012: A soldier at Fort Campbell, Ky., Spc. Rico Rawls Jr., allegedly shot and killed his wife, Jessica Rawls, at their home on the Army post, then led police on a highway chase into Georgia. Before his arrest, he shot himself and eventually died.

July 2011: Army Pfc. Naser Abdo, 21, was arrested in Killeen, Texas, near Fort Hood, on warrants out of Fort Campbell, Ky., for being AWOL and possessing obscene material.  Abdo, who claimed to be a conscientious objector, later admitted to planning a "massive" attack at a restaurant near the Texas post.  After his arrest, the FBI said bomb-making materials were found in his motel room and said he was in possession of a large amount of ammunition, weapons and a bomb in a backpack. The day after his arrest, Abdo shouted "Nidal Hasan, Fort Hood 2009" as he was escorted out of a Texas courtroom. In 2012, Abdo was sentenced to life in prison.

May 2011: Sgt. Jason Seeds, a soldier at Fort Drum, N.Y., allegedly shot his wife during a dispute at their home on the Army post. She lived, and explained later that her husband had suffered from deteriorating mental health since returning home from war.

October and November, 2010: Marine Corps reservist Yonathan Melaku committed a series of drive-by shootings at various military installations in northern Virginia, none of which resulted in anyone getting hurt. When law enforcement agents arrested him, they found bomb making material with him. Melaku was sentenced to 25 years in prison.

November 2009: Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan carried out the largest mass murder at a military installation in American history, opening fire on dozens of unarmed soldiers at a medical deployment center at Fort Hood, Texas. Thirteen were killed and another 32 were wounded. Hasan was sentenced to death.

July 2009: Army Sgt. Ryan Schlack was shot while trying to break up a fight at Fort Hood, Texas. A fellow soldier, Spc. Armano Baca, is serving 20 years in prison for the murder.

June 2009: Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, a self-described Islamic radical, opened fire on a military recruiting center in Little Rock, Ark., killing one Army private, William Long, and wounding another, Quinton Ezeagwula. Muhammad was sentenced to life in prison.

September 2008: A soldier at Ft. Hood, Texas, shot and killed his lieutenant then committed suicide on the balcony of his apartment.

October 1995: Sgt. William J. Kreutzer Jr. went on a shooting spree at Fort Bragg, N.C., killing one officer and wounding 18 soldiers, members of the 82nd Airborne Division, as they participated in morning physical training exercises. He was sentenced to life in prison.

And there are a lot more than these. We are talking about arming men / women that are highly trained and skilled in the use of firearms and deadly force; and an increasing number of them experiencing undiagnosed issues (mental and physical) surrounding their deployments within the theatre of operations around the world. And even those that have been diagnosed are experiencing unacceptable wait times for their treatments, and in some cases receiving treatment that falls far short of what is truly needed.

Granted, the number of undiagnosed or ill-treated may pale in comparison to the overall number of military personnel that have come through the gauntlet and are "unscathed", but which ones aren't?

The military is requiring all personnel being armed to undergo strict safety testing and mental / physical assessments in order to be allowed to be armed. A good step, but how well will that work out remains to be seen. (It could result in an increasing number of live fire incidents and casualties too).

Domestically, the military already has armed personnel that are assigned duties within it's various law enforcement and investigative branches. Perhaps a boost in headcount to these is in order, and establishment of a security force detail for military installations across the country would be a better path toward providing armed countermeasures for incidents like this one?