ISIS the killer Muslims in Iraq. What should America do?

[Bo D]

Yes, maybe Bush did sign a paper saying it was going to be done but Obama announced "WHEN" it was going to be done and said there would be no boots on the ground. 

Honestly! Can you read? Is that why you keep posting videos?

Maybe I should print this out with crayons and pictures ....


The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement was  signed by  President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.


Are there too many big words in that?

[Exterminator]

So not only is the information available but we've actually made it easy by providing it right here and she still doesn't get it.  What next, she'll be telling all of us we'd better wake up?

[Henry Hawk]

Honestly! Can you read? Is that why you keep posting videos?

Maybe I should print this out with crayons and pictures ....


The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement was  signed by  President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.


Are there too many big words in that?

But WHO took credit for it?  Who bragged about how he was going to bring home our troops?  Obama made it a political issue to get credit for it, THEN when things go south, he remembers it was "Bush's fault"

[Bo D]

But WHO took credit for it?  Who bragged about how he was going to bring home our troops?  Obama made it a political issue to get credit for it, THEN when things go south, he remembers it was "Bush's fault"

Please try to keep up. 'me' posted "The advance announcement and early withdrawal of our troops contributed greatly to the ISIS problem." inferring that ISIS was Obama's fault. This has nothing to do with who took credit for ending the war.

[me]

Now read all the way through this article.  This problem does not lay squarely on Bush' shoulders and part, maybe most, of the blame does rest on the shoulders of Obama. 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/09/11/refereeing-the-john-mccain-jay-carney-spat-over-iraq/

The Bush administration signed a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) with Iraq in 2008 that established a deadline for the withdrawal of all U.S. forces from Iraq by Dec. 31, 2011. But there was some expectation that the SOFA could be renewed after that, with at least a small U.S. force remaining. The key issue in this dispute is whether approval of SOFA, which would have allowed some U.S. troops to remain in Iraq, could have been reached with the Iraqi government—and how hard the Obama administration fought for it.

[Palehorse]

 

We all (well most anyway) know who the protagonist is in this situation. . .

[Exterminator]

At the end of the day, we wouldn't be having this conversation had we not ever invaded Iraq in the first place.  All that was accomplished was access to oil for large multi-national corporations (mission accomplished!) and billions for Halliburton and its subsidiaries.  I think that if these corporations and their stockholders want access to new markets and resources, they should hire their own armies and carry out their own campaigns.  Never should our troops be put in harms way for anything that isn't a direct threat to our national security and especially not as cannon fodder to pad already rich people's pockets even more.

[Anne]

Back to the title of the thread, what do you think we should do?

[Palehorse]

At the end of the day, we wouldn't be having this conversation had we not ever invaded Iraq in the first place.  All that was accomplished was access to oil for large multi-national corporations (mission accomplished!) and billions for Halliburton and its subsidiaries.  I think that if these corporations and their stockholders want access to new markets and resources, they should hire their own armies and carry out their own campaigns.  Never should our troops be put in harms way for anything that isn't a direct threat to our national security and especially not as cannon fodder to pad already rich people's pockets even more.

I have nothing but 100% agreement for everything you said here. 

[Palehorse]

Back to the title of the thread, what do you think we should do?

If "we" is indicative of America, then getting our citizens out of harms way, restricting all travel to the middle-east by American citizens, and invoking "you're on your own" policies for those who travel there despite the restrictions, is all "we" should do.

You cannot deal with those who will not listen. Nor should we.

Now, if "we" includes the global community, well. . . lets just say there are a wealth of possibilities; but the real question is who among them has the stomach for those possibilities?

[Anne]

Ok, I can see that. I could go along with picking up all our toys and coming home. But to play devil's advocate, if we are in fact as some think the cause of this, do we not have a moral obligation to deal with it? To try and put it right?

[Henry Hawk]

We now have 1600 troops ON THE GROUND in Iraq....

[Anne]

Ah, but they are not 'combat troops'. Seriously, I don't see a way out of this in any way in the next few years (or many years). Does anyone else?