NDE - Real or Chemical Reaction of the Brain?

[Palehorse]

One of the things I hate is being at the dentist and they are working on a tooth and say "Oh shit!"

As they were prepping me for my last procedure they did something I found quite painful. I said "Ouch".

The surgeon said, "Oh yeah, give him the shot". 

[Locutus]

[Palehorse]

Yeah. I was going to say, WTF is this your first time at this, but the shot took me out rather quickly. . .

[libby]

We probably do not want to know everything that goes on or is said while we are knocked out and lying there defenseless on that Operating Table.

Slight change of subject, but still in the neighborhood:

I worked as a medical secretary part time while taking college classes, and ended up working for doctors in a hospital and in private practice for years after that -- until I realized that I could make quite a bit more money elsewhere. Anyway, while still a medical secretary, I was told I required surgery for a bothersome problem -- nothing life-threatening but strongly recommended. Since I was already working for doctors, I got the requisite chest x-ray and lab work, and checked into the hospital the night before, with a good book; thought I'd read myself to sleep. It wasn't long before a young man in a white coat and clipboard walked in and introduced himself as Dr. so and so and said that he was there to do my pre-op physical.

(It was then that I remembered that medical students from Georgetown University did their internship at the hospital I was in.)

Anyway, there I was sitting up in bed, and he stood there looking at me, and then said, "That gown has to come off."

As a very shy young person and still a very modest person, I suddenly realized that the pretty ankle-length pull-over- my-head gown had not been the best choice.   Then, as he stood there, I got off my bed, pulled that gown over my head and stood there naked He proceeeded to do a complete physical, including neurological, but not a rectal or other intrusive exam, thank the Lord!

After he left, I put my gown back on and sat there, mortified, thinking what a doofus I was. Then, in walked another young doctor, with a clipboard, and he said, "I'm Dr. so and so and here to ...." and I said, "Oh, no, you are not! I've already had my physical!"  He didn't say a word, just turned around and walked out.

[Palehorse]

Holy hell Libby! 

[Locutus]

This thread just keeps getting scarier the more I read it.   

[Palehorse]

This thread just keeps getting scarier the more I read it.

Yup. Gettin old or sick ain't fer sissies! 

[Anne]

I hate general anesthesia, the feeling of not being in control of myself. So far, knock on wood, I have always responded well to it, but I still don't like it. Then again, there are some things they won't do to me without it. 

[Palehorse]

I hate general anesthesia, the feeling of not being in control of myself. So far, knock on wood, I have always responded well to it, but I still don't like it. Then again, there are some things they won't do to me without it. 

I have never been comfortable with it. Ever. 

[Palehorse]

Although my wife tells me she has never seen me smile as much as I did when they put me into twilight this last time. 

[Anne]

Twilight is strange, you are aware of what is going on, you just don't care. 

[Y]

I wonder if those NDE's are related to a phenomenon called "awareness" during surgery.

I would suggest that is the most likely scenario for those that happen in the operating room.

The descriptions of bright light - the operating lights - and the looking down at the scene - reflection from the reflectors around the lights - fit a patient not completely in an anesthetic induced oblivion.

[Y]

You post is the ignorant one.  People who have accepted God's gift of salvation, have no fear of death.  I have no fear of death I know what awaits me. You can accept his free gift of salvation and know that you are going to heaven, reject it and know that your are going to hell.  We all have the free will.

If one reject God and believes that death is all that there is ,why do they get so upset about any other talk about it.

Somewhere around here starting years ago I started pointing out the fallacy of the x-tian 'free will' concept.

The 'free will' concept goes like this:

You have 'free will' because god allows you the choice between two options,

1. Choose god's 'salvation' and you will live forever in heavenly bliss.

or

2. Reject god's salvation and you will suffer eternal damnation in pain.


Now those options don't really allow for a choice, do they, especially for a god claiming to give you a choice - 'free will' - in his lil' game of eternity...and you must make a choice according to the rules of his game.

Doesn't sound as if you're really being given 'free will' now does it.  Of course it doesn't because you're not and 'free will' doesn't exist in that scenario.  For 'free will' to actually exist there has to be a third option - the one to completely reject god's lil' game entirely and without god's punishment.

'Free will' is just another of x-tianity's totally ridiculous doctrines.