here it is in a nutshell...
QuoteI'll tell you this much....I WILL put my God ABOVE this country ANY DAY...........
separation of church and state should ensure that a conflict of this sort never arises, but it seems that they want this conflict.
Quote from: awol on June 13, 2008, 05:37:34 PM
here it is in a nutshell...
separation of church and state should ensure that a conflict of this sort never arises, but it seems that they want this conflict.
yeah, I WANT a conflict, dufuss.. :rolleyes: what I don't want is a bunch of God-Bashing morons, who want nothing more than seeing to it that God be removed from every aspect of what this Nation stands for....the conflict has already begun........
Even though the vast majority of Americans choose to keep God in our pledge..the secular crowd is bound and determine that it is unconstitutional....and have God removed from as much as possible to ATTACK our American culture
calling prayers in school unconstitutional is an attack religious freedoms...........period.............again the majority are in favor of prayer.........but, because it might insult a few...........out it has to go.
we have argued this forever...............and I won't bow down to those who think this country will somehow be better off, if we can keep God out of everything but the Church.............the secular crowd want's the Godly heritage removed...........and is teaching that to our kids........
but try teaching our kids how God played an important part of the lives of the men who fought and died for our freedoms........and you have a lawsuit on our hands.......
the only thing wrong with the right today is, that many are starting to bow down.........not cause a scene........trying to make everybody happy and not offend nobody.
Yep....I stand strong.........I will, 100% put God first...........and I will vote for issues that "I" feel that will hold the fabric of this Country strong...........instead of voting for issues that are tearing it down.
so, you'd vote for prohibition again? drinking is forbiden in many religions. some of them christian.
Henry, the word god was not even added to the pledge until 1954. According to the author's daughter when intereviewed several years ago, her father would have been upset that the word god was added. Why can't this be a nation for all people as it was originally intended. Why must it be only for christians? Reeks of a theocracy IMHO.
Quote from: awol on June 14, 2008, 12:38:39 AM
so, you'd vote for prohibition again? drinking is forbiden in many religions. some of them christian.
well, based upon, the holy bible....drinking is not a problem.........getting DRUNK IS........
moondance...it is just my view of the way this nation SHOULD be...and my view, the way it was intended.........
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 17, 2008, 09:25:29 AM
well, based upon, the holy bible....drinking is not a problem.........
in
your bible.
to some people who believe alcohol is a sin, you are "shoving it down their throats".
but, it's better to ALLOW people to drink, and let them decide for themselves than to PROHIBIT it, isn't it?
Quote from: awol on June 17, 2008, 12:46:51 PM
in your bible.
to some people who believe alcohol is a sin, you are "shoving it down their throats".
but, it's better to ALLOW people to drink, and let them decide for themselves than to PROHIBIT it, isn't it?
i agree............and it's not "my" Bible...........the words a very clear.
~Waves Hello to all~ *Backs out real slow*
I agree..we need separation of the church and state... :wink:
Quote from: awol on June 13, 2008, 05:37:34 PM
here it is in a nutshell...
separation of church and state should ensure that a conflict of this sort never arises, but it seems that they want this conflict.
I agree that a church should not rule any nation...but, a man/woman, should have a right to govern, based upon their beliefs based upon their upbringing....and their convictions...be it Christian or Muslim........and if the will of the people is to elect them to represent them....then so be it.
diggin' up bones, hank?
i don't have a problem with governing based on your faith, i have a problem when your faith becomes a qualification to govern.
Quote from: awol on November 03, 2008, 12:53:26 PM
diggin' up bones, hank?
i don't have a problem with governing based on your faith, i have a problem when your faith becomes a qualification to govern.
who is doing that?...
are you saying it is wrong, for i.e...Christians to WANT to vote for other Christians?
i don't think anybody, is saying there has to be a law............I personaly think TRUE Christian values deals with many issues that we face today that would be good for out country....i think we have gotten away from it TOO far....
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/americas_first_gay_president
America's First Gay President Concludes Historic Second Term
December 18, 2008 | Issue 44•51
WASHINGTON—President George W. Bush was unusually reflective in the final weeks of his administration, taking time during speeches and press conferences to look back on key decisions, expound on his legacy, and tout his role in paving the way for the nation's first African-American president by serving eight years as its first openly gay president.
"I'm inspired by our great country's willingness to look past the color of a man's skin—or, in my case, his overt homosexuality—and elect him based on his ability to lead," Bush told reporters following his meeting with president-elect Barack Obama on Nov. 10. "I've always been proud of my homosexuality, and I am so proud of the United States."
Bush added, "Thank you, America, for taking a chance on an openly gay man from Texas: tight jeans, cowboy hats, and all."
Recalling how he worried during his first campaign that voters were not ready to put a gay man in the White House, Bush said he was "shocked and overjoyed" to win in 2000, and could not have done it without homosexual adviser Karl Rove, his strong base of closeted gay ultra-conservative supporters on the Christian right, and his "best friend" Laura.
"While I tried to be commander in chief first and a homosexual man second, I knew that everything I did would be judged through the lens of 'America's first gay president,'" Bush said during an interview with ABC's Charles Gibson broadcast Dec. 1. "Looking back, my personal need to prove my manhood definitely influenced my actions. The arrogant swagger, invading Iraq, my ruthless support of the death penalty—heck, even setting back gay rights 25 years—all of it seems so silly now."
Former press secretary Ari Fleischer agreed, saying that Bush carefully cultivated his image as a masculine, simple-minded, heterosexual male in order to combat his insecurities about appearing weak before the international community.
"Believe me, sister, he overcompensated with a capital 'compensated,'" Fleischer said. "But when the cameras stopped rolling and the podium was put away, he was just fabulous. We had a fabulous, fabulous time."
While many will argue for generations about Bush's political impact, all seem to agree that his presidency at last proved to a once-disenfranchised group that anything is possible.
"I never thought I'd see this in my lifetime," said David Nevin, a 58-year-old homosexual living in New York. "And I probably won't again because he was a terrible fucking president who ruined it for all of us."
Added Nevin, "What a bitch."
ahhhh HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
:smile: :smile:
LOL @ awol.....with the gay article...I read that this weekend... :eek: :biggrin: You must go to some of the same places I do...Do you also go to Information Clearing House, and Truth Out ?
I think you have him confused with Barney Franks and what would have been his speech upon retiring from Congress. The names would be different of course. Surely you remember Barney.
Quote from: awol on December 20, 2008, 12:12:03 PM
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/americas_first_gay_president
America's First Gay President Concludes Historic Second Term
December 18, 2008 | Issue 44•51
WASHINGTON—President George W. Bush was unusually reflective in the final weeks of his administration, taking time during speeches and press conferences to look back on key decisions, expound on his legacy, and tout his role in paving the way for the nation's first African-American president by serving eight years as its first openly gay president.
"I'm inspired by our great country's willingness to look past the color of a man's skin—or, in my case, his overt homosexuality—and elect him based on his ability to lead," Bush told reporters following his meeting with president-elect Barack Obama on Nov. 10. "I've always been proud of my homosexuality, and I am so proud of the United States."
Bush added, "Thank you, America, for taking a chance on an openly gay man from Texas: tight jeans, cowboy hats, and all."
Recalling how he worried during his first campaign that voters were not ready to put a gay man in the White House, Bush said he was "shocked and overjoyed" to win in 2000, and could not have done it without homosexual adviser Karl Rove, his strong base of closeted gay ultra-conservative supporters on the Christian right, and his "best friend" Laura.
"While I tried to be commander in chief first and a homosexual man second, I knew that everything I did would be judged through the lens of 'America's first gay president,'" Bush said during an interview with ABC's Charles Gibson broadcast Dec. 1. "Looking back, my personal need to prove my manhood definitely influenced my actions. The arrogant swagger, invading Iraq, my ruthless support of the death penalty—heck, even setting back gay rights 25 years—all of it seems so silly now."
Former press secretary Ari Fleischer agreed, saying that Bush carefully cultivated his image as a masculine, simple-minded, heterosexual male in order to combat his insecurities about appearing weak before the international community.
"Believe me, sister, he overcompensated with a capital 'compensated,'" Fleischer said. "But when the cameras stopped rolling and the podium was put away, he was just fabulous. We had a fabulous, fabulous time."
While many will argue for generations about Bush's political impact, all seem to agree that his presidency at last proved to a once-disenfranchised group that anything is possible.
"I never thought I'd see this in my lifetime," said David Nevin, a 58-year-old homosexual living in New York. "And I probably won't again because he was a terrible fucking president who ruined it for all of us."
Added Nevin, "What a bitch."
ahhhh HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
awol..I saw this article but I didn't post it because I figured that people would go crazy on that one..LOL :razz: we are down to only 10 days left! :yes: Now ya know ya can't say anything bad about Dubbya!
I don't think any of you have thought of the fact that Christians do not want the goverment in their church. That is a two way street, We have watched the goverment screw up everything they have got their hands on and we don't need them. Our forefathers had this in mind when they wrote that the state and church should be kept seperate. They had watched a king meddle in church affairs and did not want it in America. So that is what the purpose of that amendment is. To keep goverment out of church affairs.
I don't see anything different about voting for a Christian than voting for a Repulican or Democrat or woman or black person because that is what you want. Your vote is your benefit you don't have to make excuses to anyone.