Nancy Pelosi spent $28 billion taxpayer dollars in one week to round up the bare minimum of 218 votes that she needed, the exact number to get her majority. It works out to $130 million or so per vote. The president detailed some of this, but I've got the laundry list of the pork that is in the bill that the Senate passed yesterday. As we all know, there's $25 million for a spinach farmer, $24 million for funding for sugar beets, $3 million in funding for sugar cane going to one Hawaiian co-op. There's $20 million for insect infestation damage reimbursements in Nevada, Idaho and Utah; $2.1 billion for crop production losses; one and a half billion for livestock production losses; $100 million for dairy production losses; $13 million for ewe lamb replacement and retention; $32 million for the livestock indemnity program; $40 million for the Tree Assistance Program -- speaking of this, the Tree Assistance Program is going to really need some help now. In San Francisco, have you heard about this? They're banning the plastic bags at the grocery stores.
Now, do you remember why they put those plastic bags in the grocery stores in the first place? Anybody got an idea? Quick. To save the trees! Exactly right. To save the trees, a renewable resource, we had to get rid of the paper bags and go to plastic bags. Now we gotta get rid of the plastic bags because they cause pollution and they are made from the petroleum industry. I'll guarantee you that the next plastic bag is going to be these compact fluorescent bulbs. Already scientists are starting to get concerned of all the mercury in these babes, and pretty soon everybody's going to go out and buy these little curly cued compact fluorescents and not long down the line somebody is going to say, "You know what? This is an environmental disaster waiting to happen." So the compact fluorescent's going to be the next plastic bag of the grocery store. Mark my words.
I have to admit, I copied and pasted this from a very interesting article I just read....I will share more with you later... ;)
There's a hundred million dollars for small agricultural dependent businesses. Look at how much pork is in this bill for farming- and agricultural-related industries. Six million for North Dakota flooded crop land; $35 million for emergency conservation programs; $50 million for the Emergency Watershed Program. This is in the bill that the Democrats in the House and Senate passed yesterday to pull troops out of Iraq in March of 2008 and not fund the surge. One-hundred-fifteen million dollars for the Conservation Security Program. Now, it sounds like a dupe, but it's not. It was earlier, $35 million for the Emergency Conservation Program, and then another $115 million for the Conservation Security Program, which proves much of what I have said constantly: the redundancy in all these federal programs is pathetic. There's $18 million for drought assistance in the upper Great Plains and in the Southwest; $6 million for the North Dakota flooded crop land and $18 million for drought assistance in the upper Great Plains in the Southwest (a provision that extends the availability by a year); $3.5 million dollars in funding for guided tours of the Capitol is in this bill.
sorry, i must have missed it.
how is this the "bill for defeat"?
Quote from: awol on March 29, 2007, 10:57:22 AM
sorry, i must have missed it.
how is this the "bill for defeat"?
Well, when you tell the enemey to hang in there until such and such date....then you win....it clearly says "a bill for defeat"....
But Dingy Harry said, "Whoa, whoa, whoa! Wait a minute. We're in no hurry here." Dingy Harry wants to delay the conference on this. The Senate and House have to get together and come up with a reconciliation of their two different bills, although they're pretty similar. Dingy Harry wants to put that off, I think, until after the Easter recess. The money is needed by April 15th. The signal this sends to our enemies is loud and clear. So here is your Democrat Party in action in front of the world for everyone to see. They have signed on to de-funding the troops. They have signed on to defeat and pulling us out of Iraq on March 31st of 2008, which will secure victory for the insurgency and the amalgamation of enemies currently in Iraq.
btw...dingy harry would be harry reid...
Twenty-four to $25 billion of pork in this bill. That's the price Pelosi had to pay in order to get the bare minimum of 218 votes in the House for passage, which comes out to $130 million a vote. That's about what it cost for her majority. The slim and the bare-essential number she got was 218, and that's it minimum you needed to win, and it cost $24 billion to $25 billion. The Democrats have named their price for defeat now, and they're taking advantage of the opportunity here to be in the majority and put all this pork in it. I want to say to all of you who were just fit to be tied over what the Republicans were doing last November thinking you were going to get a change. You got worse.
Now, it will be interesting to see if there's any interest to hold Democrats accountable in November of 2008.
huh. i thought that jee dubya already declared victory over there. "mission accomplished" and all that.
if he can't "git 'er done" in six years he can't "git 'er done".
that aside...at least the money would be flowing somewhere other than halliburton for a while.
Quote from: awol on March 29, 2007, 12:46:17 PM
huh. i thought that jee dubya already declared victory over there. "mission accomplished" and all that.
if he can't "git 'er done" in six years he can't "git 'er done".
that aside...at least the money would be flowing somewhere other than halliburton for a while.
so you think we should pull out? and let the radical islamic facists gain control of Iraq, the Oil...and let them continue to have another attack on the United States, and if you think that won't happen, look at the history of these guys....they have done it before, and they WILL do it again.....
So, let's draft a bill of 25 Billion dollars of 'Pork' instead of defeating these guys now, while we got the chance...and we are winning....
there are signs of success and momentum going on over there now....I trust General Petraeus' strategy over Nancy Pelosi's anyday of the week....
Quote from: awol on March 29, 2007, 12:46:17 PM
if he can't "git 'er done" in six years he can't "git 'er done".
Quote from: awol on March 29, 2007, 01:36:56 PM
if he can't "git 'er done" in six years he can't "git 'er done".
Did you know it took, 8-year to win the revolutionary war...and almost 50-years to win the cold war....do you honestly believe that the United States could not accomplish this mission of establishing peace in Iraq long enough for them to be able build themselves a military system to protect themselves form the likes of radical muslims....
let me ask you, would it bother you to see this accomplished over there?
Quote from: awol on March 29, 2007, 12:46:17 PM
at least the money would be flowing somewhere other than halliburton for a while.
Now that would break George Sorose's(sp) heart since he just invested a bunch of money in that company.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 29, 2007, 02:18:05 PM
let me ask you, would it bother you to see this accomplished over there?
course not. but it ain't happened yet - ain't gonna.
btw...
Quote...and let them continue to have another attack on the United States, and if you think that won't happen, look at the history of these guys....they have done it before, and they WILL do it again.....
you mean you don't have faith in the decider to keep us safe?
Quote from: awol on March 29, 2007, 02:59:25 PM
you mean you don't have faith in the decider to keep us safe?
Has there been a bombing here since 9/11? At least he's been doing something besides talking and that's more than I can say for what others did and still want to do.
By that logic, every other president kept hijacked jets from flying into NYC skyscrapers. So, Bush must be the worst on homeland security.
I gotta agree with me, this President had the courage to do something besides, the old, "I'm gonna track down those responsible, and bring them to justice" speech that the former President said on two or three occassions.....
and I'll tell ya another thing, who knows if and when it will happen again, but, we HAVE illiminated many of those who desire the United States to fall....we ARE safer now, at least until the democrats decided to cut and run.....now, those who wish to harm us, all they gotta do is wait until, we pull out in a year from now, (IF congress gets their way) and rebuild and attack, cause they now know that americans "don't have the stomach" to fight them head on......
I truly believe, if we pull out before Iraq is ready to defend themselves, not only will we see another attack here, but, those in Iraq who want freedom, will be slaughtered....and Iran will have the strong hold in that region along with the oil....and ya think we are paying high prices now....just wait...just wait....
k, cassandra. i'll sit in my basement with my duct tape and wait. :rolleyes:
Quote from: awol on March 29, 2007, 04:58:35 PM
k, cassandra. i'll sit in my basement with my duct tape and wait. :rolleyes:
cassandra?.....help me, i don't get it?... :-[.. ;D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra
Henry would the term thick as a brick apply here?
aaawwwwwww. be nice. he probably just isn't that familiar with greek mythology.
What does Greek Mythology have to do with anything??? I'm lost on that one too.
Me thinks yer confusin' this with a chicken little thing which it ain't.... :no: Me thinks you have a case of ostrichitis. Hate that too 'cause I like ya....
Quote from: me on March 29, 2007, 10:59:06 PM
Me thinks yer confusin' this with a chicken little thing which it ain't.... :no:
ok, then what is it?
Quote from: awol on March 30, 2007, 09:48:49 AM
ok, then what is it?
Reality, just plain reality.
ok, yer gonna paint a vaguely troubleing picture of the future without our ocupation of iraq...
and yet somehow you miss the idea that this is connected to cassandra?
let me see if i got it...
you have every confidance in jee dubya to keep us safe from harm at home, but only as long as we commit a certain number of our children/brothers/fathers to be thrown into the meat grinder over there?
and this is better somehow?
Would you rather we have them over here blowing up our buildings? What is it about they want us wiped off the face of the earth that you don't understand? All we have to do is show weakness and they will be all over us like white on rice. Talking does no good they don't care.
awol, I'm not in anyway shape or form, trying to belittle your point....you and I have been duking it out on issues for a long time now, and you know, I really like you....but, it is amazing how different we think....on one hand, I follow your logic on some issues dead on, though I disagree with the outcome.....but on this issue, it is like we completely miss....
I understand your cassandra point, but yet I don't see where it applies here at all....it is clear as can be, the dangers if we fail over there....and, I'm putting politics aside, I think that the telling the world we will pull out next march is the most disasterous move that we can ever make...
other than that, yer jest a poopiehead...to the 3rd degree... ;D
Quote from: me on March 30, 2007, 10:43:53 AM
Would you rather we have them over here blowing up our buildings? What is it about they want us wiped off the face of the earth that you don't understand? All we have to do is show weakness and they will be all over us like white on rice. Talking does no good they don't care.
so let's just continue to send over human sacrifices 'till the end of time and hope that appeases them then. right?
Quote from: awol on March 30, 2007, 10:52:14 AM
so let's just continue to send over human sacrifices 'till the end of time and hope that appeases them then. right?
Hello, is anybody in there??? :poke: I can see yer wantin' me to dig for info aren't ya? :rolleyes:
me, this has been a waste of time. i'm done with you.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 29, 2007, 12:04:34 PM
Twenty-four to $25 billion of pork in this bill. That's the price Pelosi had to pay in order to get the bare minimum of 218 votes in the House for passage, which comes out to $130 million a vote. That's about what it cost for her majority. The slim and the bare-essential number she got was 218, and that's it minimum you needed to win, and it cost $24 billion to $25 billion. The Democrats have named their price for defeat now, and they're taking advantage of the opportunity here to be in the majority and put all this pork in it. I want to say to all of you who were just fit to be tied over what the Republicans were doing last November thinking you were going to get a change. You got worse.
Now, it will be interesting to see if there's any interest to hold Democrats accountable in November of 2008.
getting back on my subject....does anybody else find it amazing that Nancy Pelosi, who said she was going to run a more clean and honest congress, put's up a bill like this, and AGAIN the media, just kind of lets it slide away.....$25 BILLION in pork!
Quote from: awol on March 30, 2007, 11:00:48 AM
me, this has been a waste of time. i'm done with you.
Gee and here I thought you were comin' around...I'm crushed.... >:( Now I'll have to find someone else to harass...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 29, 2007, 12:04:34 pm
QuoteTwenty-four to $25 billion of pork in this bill. That's the price Pelosi had to pay in order to get the bare minimum of 218 votes in the House for passage, which comes out to $130 million a vote. That's about what it cost for her majority. The slim and the bare-essential number she got was 218, and that's it minimum you needed to win, and it cost $24 billion to $25 billion. The Democrats have named their price for defeat now, and they're taking advantage of the opportunity here to be in the majority and put all this pork in it. I want to say to all of you who were just fit to be tied over what the Republicans were doing last November thinking you were going to get a change. You got worse.
Now, it will be interesting to see if there's any interest to hold Democrats accountable in November of 2008.
From what I understand they'd better get it straightened out or they're gonna find themselves working through Easter break... :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 30, 2007, 11:43:50 AM
getting back on my subject....does anybody else find it amazing that Nancy Pelosi, who said she was going to run a more clean and honest congress, put's up a bill like this, and AGAIN the media, just kind of lets it slide away.....$25 BILLION in pork!
:confused:
I find that totally amazing. If you don't listen to Fox News you never hear about those things. I'll bet the other networks didn't even carry Bush's speech telling people why he didn't pass the bill.
Nobody want to touch this one... :no:
Figured you'd at least get a comment from awol. Maybe he's comin' around...Ya think?
Quote from: me on April 04, 2007, 08:03:36 PM
Figured you'd at least get a comment from awol. Maybe he's comin' around...Ya think?
na, they just know that the dems are wrong here, and don't have a good spin, at least not yet.... ;)
Quotegetting back on my subject....does anybody else find it amazing that Nancy Pelosi, who said she was going to run a more clean and honest congress, put's up a bill like this, and AGAIN the media, just kind of lets it slide away.....$25 BILLION in pork!
Well...she is a politician isn't she?
Dear Mr. President,
Thanks for your address to the nation. It's good to know you still want to talk to us after how we behaved in November.
Listen, can I be frank? Sending in 20,000 more troops just ain't gonna do the job. That will only bring the troop level back up to what it was last year. And we were losing the war last year! We've already had over a million troops serve some time in Iraq since 2003. Another few thousand is simply not enough to find those weapons of mass destruction! Er, I mean... bringing those responsible for 9/11 to justice! Um, scratch that. Try this -- BRING DEMOCRACY TO THE MIDDLE EAST! YES!!!
You've got to show some courage, dude! You've got to win this one! C'mon, you got Saddam! You hung 'im high! I loved watching the video of that -- just like the old wild west! The bad guy wore black! The hangmen were as crazy as the hangee! Lynch mobs rule!!!
Look, I have to admit I feel very sorry for the predicament you're in. As Ricky Bobby said, "If you're not first, you're last." And you being humiliated in front of the whole world does NONE of us Americans any good.
Sir, listen to me. You have to send in MILLIONS of troops to Iraq, not thousands! The only way to lick this thing now is to flood Iraq with millions of us! I know that you're out of combat-ready soldiers -- so you have to look elsewhere! The only way you are going to beat a nation of 27 million -- Iraq -- is to send in at least 28 million! Here's how it would work:
The first 27 million Americans go in and kill one Iraqi each. That will quickly take care of any insurgency. The other one million of us will stay and rebuild the country. Simple.
Now, I know you're saying, where will I find 28 million Americans to go to Iraq? Here are some suggestions:
1. More than 62,000,000 Americans voted for you in the last election (the one that took place a year and half into a war we already knew we were losing). I am confident that at least a third of them would want to put their body where their vote was and sign up to volunteer. I know many of these people and, while we may disagree politically, I know that they don't believe someone else should have to go and fight their fight for them -- while they hide here in America.
2. Start a "Kill an Iraqi" Meet-Up group in cities across the country. I know this idea is so early-21st century, but I once went to a Lou Dobbs Meet-Up and, I swear, some of the best ideas happen after the third mojito. I'm sure you'll get another five million or so enlistees from this effort.
3. Send over all members of the mainstream media. After all, they were your collaborators in bringing us this war -- and many of them are already trained from having been "embedded!" If that doesn't bring the total to 28 million, then draft all viewers of the FOX News channel.
Mr. Bush, do not give up! Now is not the time to pull your punch! Don't be a weenie by sending in a few over-tired troops. Get your people behind you and YOU lead them in like a true commander in chief! Leave no conservative behind! Full speed ahead!
We promise to write. Go get 'em W!
Yours,
Michael Moore
(just to give ya a twitch, hank)
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=204
a twitch is an understatement... :spooked: ;D
Michael Moore.... :confused: Now he's somebody to look up to and listen to......NOT!!!!