Just a topic starter...............
What ya think?
Yea, because of the policies of Reagan. :biggrin: jk...kind of
Violent video games, movies, rap music, "kill yourself" death metal...we're just undergoing a turbulent time in our evolutionary process...at least that's what I theorize, or hypothosize...we'll be alright. I still have faith in evolution. :razz:
I think the answer to this question depends on who you are.
Quote from: MsMojo on March 12, 2007, 10:03:50 AM
I think the answer to this question depends on who you are.
care to elaborate on that?... :confused:
law of supply and demand.
there are a lot more people now, so each person is worth less.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 12, 2007, 10:09:28 AM
care to elaborate on that?... :confused:
Wouldn't that be subject to each individual's interpretation of what is moral?
And doesn't it depend on the operational definition of "moral values"? By who's standards? Of what population?
You maybe right,
I guess I was referring to the moral standards that we have known by own childhood.....at least the basics of what is right and what is wrong...
Morals haven't changed.
Manners have.
Quote from: followsthewolf on March 12, 2007, 11:06:58 AM
Morals haven't changed.
Manners have.
hmmm....okay, I'm slow this mornin........explain........?......... :confused: :)
Thanks Henry and FTW, now I know where you're going...
There were three lessons that I remember from my childhood, two of which I apply with my children as well, however from interacting w/other adults and children I know that it isn't standard and perhaps that has to do w/the conditions Sunny previously mentioned.
Lesson one: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Translated to my children - don't do or say something to someone that you wouldn't want done or said to you. If you treat people the way you like to be treated, then more often than not things will go fairly smoothly and you'll earn respect. This rule incorporates/simplifies a lot of issues people have with each other. I've also added, that action on the part of someone else doesn't justify equal reaction from them. That applies to either following the crowd OR retaliating out of anger. Calm down and think first, always.
Lesson two: There are two things in life which we have NO control over. What people do and what people say (think). So, don't worry about it. The one thing you do have control over is yourself.
The third lesson was "run". If I heard Mom quote the scripture "Spare the rod....". It was time for me to find a good hiding spot. :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 12, 2007, 11:05:05 AM
You maybe right,
I guess I was referring to the moral standards that we have known by own childhood.....at least the basics of what is right and what is wrong...
Would you please provide specific examples or guidelines? (e.g. what is "right" and "wrong"?)
And I would venture to guess that we would need to do a comparison of today to more than 20 years ago...I, for one, spent most of my childhood in the 70's. Well, when my moral values were primarily instilled...
fair enough............for me,
I guess, I look at divorce, or marriage if you want...it is a throw away commodity....if things get tough...poo poo it and start over....I know there are many exceptions, and I'm not condoning anyone who has been divorced....cause I know there are time when it is inevitable.
But, I really think, there is a mentality now days, that when things get tough....just leave em....
which leads to the family values so to speak......it seems that there are sooo many one-parent families now days, which leads to many kids not being raised with proper authority.
It also seems as though that, accountablity for one's own actions, no longer is applied....
which makes me think of todays judicial system where if you get a good lawyer, you can beat about any crime out there, and in some cases, sue the person they violated and win..............why is that?
I look at that as moral values....just for starters...
Quotewhich leads to the family values so to speak......it seems that there are sooo many one-parent families now days, which leads to many kids not being raised with proper authority.
Please define: "family" and "properly".
I'm assuming you consider a "family" a two parent home. I don't see what this ^ has to do w/children being raised "properly".
Quote from: MsMojo on March 12, 2007, 03:40:34 PM
Please define: "family" and "properly".
I'm assuming you consider a "family" a two parent home. I don't see what this ^ has to do w/children being raised "properly".
I realize I need to be careful here, because I know many, many single parents have raised kids tremendously......and some two parent's fail miserably...
This is probably getting back to my Christian beliefs, but not necessarily....I think it is a moral obligation, to raise children with a mom and a dad, if and when it is at all possible.....I at least see the lack of, being a reason for the amount of troubled kids we see today, as opposed 20 or 30 years ago....
...and I'm still missing your point. Married couples have failed tremendously too. Troubled kids aren't a new thing. I just think we're just more aware of what is considered "troubled" than we were back then.
I also don't believe that it's the quanity of parents, but the quality of parenting that influences positive traits in children. Even with that being said, you can have the best or worst parents in the world, but ultimately, the children are individuals and at some point they will make their own decisions and even with positive or negative influences, could decide to go the opposite route. I've seen it happen.
I see in many kids today, is a lack of respect.....which is not something many kids are taught any more.....we have a bunch of spoiled brats now days that are given everything they ask for....not all kids, but many, do not know what it is like to 'earn' something....
I also think, kids are given more responsibliity before they are ready (imo)...in cases where both set of parents working, leaving some kids to fend for themselves, pop a diner in the micro...I think you may be right MsMojo, on the quality of parents, I think, that is something that is lacking in today's society..........maybe not so much intentional, but that is the way our society has become,....so maybe THAT is part of the moral decline as I put it, that may be declining.....
Or is it a direct result of parents overcompensating for what they didn't have when they were children? The parents that were expected "to be seen and not heard"?!?!? Two working-parent households striving to give their children all of the luxuries in life that they themselves did not have during their own childhood?
Quote from: Sunny on March 12, 2007, 04:38:25 PM
Or is it a direct result of parents overcompensating for what they didn't have when they were children? The parents that were expected "to be seen and not heard"?!?!? Two working-parent households striving to give their children all of the luxuries in life that they themselves did not have during their own childhood?
I think that may have alot to do with it Sunny....which, could this fall under a "moral" value.....giving kids material things instead of quality time....maybe it is easier for a parent to send Johnny off to basketball camp, then to this camp and that camp, keep him out of our hair as much as possible..........instead of keeping Johnny at home more, eat supper together, do a project together, have johnny do chores around the house........I don't know, but, it is obvious that things have changed, and I don't think in many ways it has been for the better....
The respect issue is a big one for me. Every opportunity, I use situations as lessons for my children so they can relate to how it feels to be disrespected. I remind them of the Golden rule and hope that when I'm not with them that they apply it. I get compliments regarding their politeness, so maybe some of my talking is sinking in.
An example, this weekend we had an opportunity to be in the community offering a product (selling stuff LOL). It was for a children's organization and the children were doing all the work themselves. Instead of saying "no thank you" some people would just scowl and keep walking. So, I asked the kids, how did that feel? Not one of them liked it. So, I said, remember how that feels when you pass someone working on a similar project and be polite. Hopefully, it works. Life is full of lessons like that.
Some parents feel as if taking their children's "voice" away is teaching them to be inhibited. I disagree. Let them have their "voice", but teach them how to use it.
I think what you are doing is an example of 'good morals'...and it is something that is not enforced enough in todays society, imo...
I personally dont think that moral standards apply specifically to an individual. There is a set of moral standards that all people should follow, whether they do or not, is a different story.
If any of you know who Vaudi Baucham is, he has a great speech on this exact topic, it opened my eyes to a completely knew line of thinking in this area.
My initial thought was 'heck yeah' moral values have declined; but I've been out of high school school for 25 years :eek: and I'm now raising a teenager and I don't think morals have declined as much as it's just 'in your face'. There is no shame in the morals of our youth. When I was a teenager I would NEVER speak about some of the stuff that I or my peers were doing. :no: That doesn't mean our morals were any better, but we just kept it to ourselves - sneaky like. Today's youths will talk directly to you about sex, drugs and rock and roll! :eek: