I just want to take a look over the last 5 years at this war....the reasons for attacking and how now everybody seems to forget and jump on the bandwagon that it was a bad idea.....
A CBS News poll:
BUSH'S OVERALL JOB RATINGS
3/2004
Approve
51%
Disapprove
42%
2/2004
Approve
47%
Disapprove
44%
8/2003
Approve
55%
Disapprove
35%
4/2003
Approve
73%
Disapprove
21%
3/2003
Approve
67%
Disapprove
31%
The vast majority of Americans was in favor of this before this thing began....along with the vast majority of congress.
the link below is from snopes, showing overwhelming opinions that Saddam must be stopped and military force is the way to go....mosty by the people today who, for their own political reasons are flip flopping.......saying that it was a mistake.....
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp)
another CBS POLL taken:
IRAQ WAS A THREAT THAT...
3/2004
Required immediate military action
42%
Could have been contained
45%
Was not a threat
12%
2/2004
Required immediate military action
44%
Could have been contained
37%
Was not a threat
15%
4/2003
Required immediate military action
58%
Could have been contained
32%
Was not a threat
8%
3/2003
Required immediate military action
60%
Could have been contained
31%
Was not a threat
7%
source: from 2004
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/16/opinion/polls/main606621.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/16/opinion/polls/main606621.shtml)
Then when things got tough, and election time rolled around.....funny how this Administration "lied" and misled.....but, they had the same sources as the President did, when the decision to invade was made...
This President knows that a pull out would be devastating to Americans and the people of Iraq....but, because of the Political Game that is being played....it is easy for people to point fingers and act as if they had nothing to do with this decision....
anyway....things is gettin kind of quiet on here and maybe a little somethin, somethin to spice up things....
whatcha think?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 31, 2007, 06:35:25 PM
This President knows that a pull out would be devastating to Americans and the people of Iraq....whatcha think?
nope. he doesn't. not any more than you know what tomorrows winning lotto numbers will be.
Quote from: awol on January 31, 2007, 06:42:52 PM
nope. he doesn't. not any more than you know what tomorrows winning lotto numbers will be.
Yes he does awol...it does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out....pulling out and leaving would be a signal to Islamic militants that we don't have the stomach to win and leaving the Iraqi people before they are ready to protect themselves would be like the "killing fields" of Vietnam....
and by the way tomorrow's lotto IS.....oh wait, your a poopiehead...never mind.. ;) :)
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.
I think if we pulled out now, it would be more of a stalemate than a loss. I mean what did we actually lose (besides our integrity over most of the world)? A bunch of human lives and a bunch of wasted money I guess (and some military equipment I'm sure). What have they lost? More lives than us, a few of them being very important people to their cause. The global war on terror needs to be focused in more places than Iraq, IMO. I don't mean more wars of course, but more like special ops, navy seals, cloak and dagger missions, and...what the hell was I talking about?
Anyway, I just hope Bush Jr. doesn't make the same mistake Bush Sr. did (when making love to Barbara) and pulls out in time.
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
I thought you didn't listen to what Al Gore said. :biggrin:
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.
Quote from: IYT IYT IYT on February 01, 2007, 09:06:10 AM
I thought you didn't listen to what Al Gore said. :biggrin:
toche'... :biggrin:
but, I thought democrats did.. :razz:
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have alway s underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 01, 2007, 09:03:50 AM
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.
OK, I would agree about the biological weapons part of that, but is Iraq the only place capable of producing these weapons? She did say "the leaders of a rogue state," and Iraq is not the only rogue state, just the only one we've invaded.
We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.
Quote from: IYT IYT IYT on February 01, 2007, 09:09:53 AM
OK, I would agree about the biological weapons part of that, but is Iraq the only place capable of producing these weapons? She did say "the leaders of a rogue state," and Iraq is not the only rogue state, just the only one we've invaded.
I'm no military expert, but we can't attack all the countries, but we can make an example out of one.....and if we were united about this as a country, we would send a strong message...............but as it is...the dems are playing poltics at the expense of national security...
NOW THE DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED, THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WMD'S AND HE TOOK US TO WAR FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES??? Right!!!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 01, 2007, 09:07:48 AM
toche'... :biggrin:
but, I thought democrats did.. :razz:
Well, you'd have to ask a Democrat. I'm more of a liberal libertarian, which I know makes no sense, but it's a very complex, hallucination of a world I live in (which isn't necessarily reality, thank God). :biggrin:
Well I'm no military expert either, but I've seen one on TV. Yes Henry, all these Democrats you have quoted are hypocrits. They are just doing their job as politicians.
Quote from: IYT IYT IYT on February 01, 2007, 09:14:41 AM
Well, you'd have to ask a Democrat. I'm more of a liberal libertarian, which I know makes no sense, but it's a very complex, hallucination of a world I live in (which isn't necessarily reality, thank God). :biggrin:
lmao... ;D
Quotebut we can't attack all the countries, but we can make an example out of one
We sure didn't pick a good one did we?
Quote from: IYT IYT IYT on February 01, 2007, 09:17:45 AM
Well I'm no military expert either, but I've seen one on TV. Yes Henry, all these Democrats you have quoted are hypocrits. They are just doing their job as politicians.
The point I'm trying to make is....that EVERYBODY in washington was convinced that BUSH needed to invade....HE DID.....and now that he did, and things did not go as smoothly as everyone believed it would......they are the ones lying instead of being united and trying to fix the problem...
Bush is the only one who is sticking to his guns and trying to see this thing through....
Quote from: IYT IYT IYT on February 01, 2007, 09:19:05 AM
We sure didn't pick a good one did we?
hind sight is 20/20...
easy to be armchair quarterbacks, but it is going to take a strong leader to correct this situation.....and so far Bush is the only one who seems fit to fix it....
Quotehind sight is 20/20...
True, I just figured someone in the CIA would have done a little research into what occupying a nation like Iraq would be like. I see your point about the Dems being hypocrites and using this war for politics, but like I said before...it's their job.
Quote from: IYT IYT IYT on February 01, 2007, 09:29:48 AM
True, I just figured someone in the CIA would have done a little research into what occupying a nation like Iraq would be like. I see your point about the Dems being hypocrites and using this war for politics, but like I said before...it's their job.
You know, I'm not saying that the repbubs would be any different if the situation was flip flopped....but, on issues like Tax hikes, Gun Control, Abortion, Gay marriage.......play politics.................but when it comes to national security and our military men and women are at stake, lets quit the politics....imo
I completely agree, but even national security is a political matter to these folks in Washington. Kind of makes you think "Hey, maybe our system could be improved." How? I don't know. I know as a voter, I feel very misrepresented.
Quote from: IYT IYT IYT on February 01, 2007, 09:41:41 AM
I completely agree, but even national security is a political matter to these folks in Washington. Kind of makes you think "Hey, maybe our system could be improved." How? I don't know. I know as a voter, I feel very misrepresented.
we need a change that's for sure...........clear across the board....I'm sick to death of politics.... >:(
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 31, 2007, 08:40:07 PM
Yes he does awol...it does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
no, republic credits won't do. i'm a tiberian, jedi mind tricks don't work on me.
Quote...pulling out and leaving would be a signal to Islamic militants that we don't have the stomach to win
and a signal to the rest of the world that we are "a force to be reckoned with" (an upstart kid that must be dealt with before they get out of hand)
btw, what happens when north korea decides that they don't have to penetrate american soil to hurt us, they can nuke iraq and leave us pretty much without a military...
Quoteand leaving the Iraqi people before they are ready to protect themselves would be like the "killing fields" of Vietnam....[/qoute]
good thing we're there to kill them before they can kill each-other. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 31, 2007, 08:40:07 PM
the "killing fields" of Vietnam....
Henry, wasn't that Cambodia?
Quote from: Bo D on February 01, 2007, 10:25:16 AM
Henry, wasn't that Cambodia?
Yes you are correct...Thanks, Bo...
You're welcome, Henry.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 01, 2007, 09:09:31 AM
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members...man, and people just remember what they want too...
Quoteand people just remember what they want too...
Tis human nature, regardless of one's philosophy.