Once again the Far Right Christian Republican Party has proved they are just as bad as the Taliban, ISIS and Muslims when it come to sending us back to the 15th century. Taking the rights of women to do what they want with their own bodies. Just where do these cum buckets think that they have the right to stick their nose in a woman's business.
Surely the women of America will stand up against the religious MFers that cause all of this pain. I wish a pox on on each and every home of the God loving sons of bitches. I get so angry when a group of bottom sucking assholes stick their noses in someone else's business. May they all got to hell and make it quick. :rant:
Religion doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it......but KILLING is KILLING. No matter HOW you slice it.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 20, 2019, 08:46:47 AMReligion doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it...
Bullshit.
I don't believe you HAVE to be religious to understand that KILLING IS KILLING. I think an Atheist can understand this pretty simply.....Killing a baby is wrong. Sugar coat it as much as you want....the bottom line IS...Killing a baby.
fetus != baby
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 20, 2019, 10:43:29 AMI don't believe you HAVE to be religious to understand that KILLING IS KILLING. I think an Atheist can understand this pretty simply.....Killing a baby is wrong. Sugar coat it as much as you want....the bottom line IS...Killing a baby.
You fucking Republicans kill to. You just wait until they are of legal age and you send them to war and kill them there. Both Bush's went to war and killed and maim thousands of our young men and women, now Trump wants to do it. But you god damn Christians don't want young people to even practice birth control or sex education.
What don't you god damn Christians don't understand about, if isn't you or your family, what god damn business is yours to stick your nose in someone else's business and use a government law to back it up. You really can tell when someone is real religious, how? Because they are morons and idiots and got their heads stuck up their asses. :trustme:
Quote from: Locutus on May 20, 2019, 10:54:05 AMfetus != baby
Baby = Child = Adult...
We can argue until the cows come home and neither of us will change our minds.......I will respect the law, but I don't have to agree with it. It's fuggars like the Troll, who make it impossible to carry a logical debate about it.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 20, 2019, 10:43:29 AMI don't believe you HAVE to be religious to understand that KILLING IS KILLING. I think an Atheist can understand this pretty simply.....Killing a baby is wrong. Sugar coat it as much as you want....the bottom line IS...Killing a baby.
A zygote is not a baby.
A zygote IS a baby.....just at its earliest stage.......just as a baby and then a toddler....
Call it what you will, but it IS LIFE.....
Not going to argue.....but I will state my FACTS and BELIEFS... and stand by them.
Like I have stated...the law is the law......but it isn't always right....
"A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority." Booker T Washington
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 20, 2019, 01:43:12 PMA zygote IS a baby.....just at its earliest stage.......just as a baby and then a toddler....
With no intervention whatsoever, less than a third of fertilized eggs result in live births.
QuoteCall it what you will, but it IS LIFE.....
So is cancer, should we pass laws to prevent people from killing it?
The truth behind the anti-abortion crusade. (https://www.politicalorphans.com/a-republican-abortion-apocalypse-awaits/)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 20, 2019, 12:47:16 PMBaby = Child = Adult...
We can argue until the cows come home and neither of us will change our minds.......I will respect the law, but I don't have to agree with it. It's fuggars like the Troll, who make it impossible to carry a logical debate about it.
There is no logical debate with you. Your brain is a lump of coal. There is no law against abortion. But you god damn stupid Christians want a government law against. That the rub, you want a law to force your fucking religion down our women's throats. You want a law to make it a crime. You fucking Christians want a woman to carry a baby to term and when the kid hits the ground you don't want to pay one dime to feed it, house it, educate it. You want to be in the judgement seat calling all the rules, but you cheap bastards don't want to put in one dime to take care of the problem. Fuck you son's of bitches. Believe me when I say this. :trustme:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 20, 2019, 12:47:16 PMBaby = Child = Adult...
We can argue until the cows come home and neither of us will change our minds.......I will respect the law, but I don't have to agree with it. It's fuggars like the Troll, who make it impossible to carry a logical debate about it.
There is no logical debate with you. Your brain is a lump of coal. There is no law against abortion. But you god damn stupid Christians want a government law against. That the rub, you want a law to force your fucking religion down our women's throats. You want a law to make it a crime. You fucking Christians want a woman to carry a baby to term and when the kid hits the ground you don't want to pay one dime to feed it, house it, educate it. You want to be in the judgement seat calling all the rules, but you cheap bastards don't want to put in one dime to take care of the problem. Fuck you son's of bitches. Believe me when I say this. :trustme:
Henry Hawk has the brain power of a maggot and when it (brain) grows up it will be one big Blow Fly. Looking for something dead to feed upon. :sarcasm:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 20, 2019, 01:43:12 PMA zygote IS a baby.....just at its earliest stage.......just as a baby and then a toddler....
Call it what you will, but it IS LIFE.....
Not going to argue.....but I will state my FACTS and BELIEFS... and stand by them.
Like I have stated...the law is the law......but it isn't always right....
"A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority." Booker T Washington
Where is your outrage at all of the embryos that have been trashed by fertility clinics? I never hear the pro-life crowd mention them. Life is life you said.
If you're so against abortion, then why don't you start a campaign for men to get vasectomies until they are ready to be fathers and impregnate a woman? Vasectomies are reversible and have a success rate of up to 90%. If all men would step up and do that, we could end abortion very quickly!
This is one thing that pisses me off about the abortion debate. Responsibility is always pushed on the woman. "If she didn't want to get pregnant she shouldn't have had sex". I've seen this one often. It takes two to make a baby. Why aren't we telling men this? Oh, that's right, they shoot the sperm then walk away if they want to. "Why didn't she use birth control?" Why didn't he wear a condom? "If she didn't want raped, she shouldn't have dressed that way." How many lesbians have you heard of raping a woman because of how's she's dressed? Why is it so hard for men to control themselves? These strict abortion laws are bullshit and just a way to control a woman.
I know of no woman that has said, "gee, I want an abortion! I'm going to get pregnant just to have one!" But I have read the stories women have told on why they have had abortions. None had taken the decision lightly and knew they made the best choice.
All I am saying Abbey is Killing is Killing....I don't like it. The whole thing sucks....I know it takes two to create that situation...but it still comes down to this....do we KILL this baby or not. If it is up to me to decide...I will side with the innocent baby, every time!
We live in a free country where we get to make these decisions......as I said, I will respect the law...but it doesn't mean I like it. If I can change the law, I will vote for LIFE, every time.
There is a reason as to why it used to be preached that a man and a woman should wait until marriage then be fruitful and multiply....but that isn't the way it works....we take too much shit for granted and we got to live with our consequences...
I do have compassion for these women who are in that position to have to make a choice...I know for many it is the toughest choice they will make....but it is STILL KILLING. It can't be sugar-coated.
The reason this is rearing it's ugly head again is because of the recent laws that allow a termination of the baby right up until the last minute it is born....that is HORRIFIC that THAT can be acceptable in this day and time....
This is MY opinion but as you can tell by other comments on here that if you have a differing opinion or one that does not line up with theirs, it's okay to HATE and be an asshole....which is WHY we are becoming a divided nation.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2019, 08:48:44 AMThe reason this is rearing it's ugly head again is because of the recent laws that allow a termination of the baby right up until the last minute it is born....that is HORRIFIC that THAT can be acceptable in this day and time....
Absolute bullshit! The Pro Life Lie (https://www.politicalorphans.com/the-pro-life-lie/)
Quote from: Exterminator on May 21, 2019, 10:11:34 AMAbsolute bullshit! The Pro Life Lie (https://www.politicalorphans.com/the-pro-life-lie/)
No Bullshit (https://www.liveaction.org/news/three-myths-third-trimester-abortions/)....
FACT: Currently, federal law (https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/410/179.html) makes it legal to abort babies into the ninth month of pregnancy.
FACT: While some states have restrictions on abortion, all states permit abortion into the ninth month for certain exceptions. Eight states and Washington, D.C., allow abortion until birth for any reason (https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/state-policies-later-abortions) (Alaska, Colorado, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Vermont, and New York).
FACT: In 2015 (https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm), the CDC reported that 1.3 percent of abortions were committed at 21 weeks' gestation and later. While 1.3 percent sounds very small, this equates to nearly 8,300 preborn children killed late-term every single year.
FACT: Needs said again....
8,300 preborn children killed late-term every single year.FACT: Statistics show that most late-term abortions don't actually occur for health reasons (https://www.liveaction.org/news/why-do-women-get-late-term-abortions/), and they're also often repeat (https://www.liveaction.org/news/nearly-one-third-of-late-term-abortion-patients-had-a-late-term-abortion-before/)abortions. The Guttmacher Institute (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1363/4521013/abstract) reported that abortions sought for fetal abnormalities "make up a small minority" abortions in the late-term, and abortions committed to save a mother's life are even smaller.
THIS is NOT a Pro-Life Lie....it is the FACTS.
I'm also tired of the bullshit that Pro-lifers don't give a shit about the baby AFTER it's born....
FACT (https://www.barna.com/research/5-things-you-need-to-know-about-adoption/#.UnvPco2E7Tw): Practicing Christians are more than twice as likely to adopt than the general population.
THESE are MY REASONS as to WHY, I anytime I have the opportunity to vote in favor of PRO-LIFE, I WILL/DO.
Once again I'll point out this nations penchant for repeating history. . .
All the "pro life" movement and it's "killing is killing" campaign is going to achieve is the return our society to pre Roe vs Wade adjudication status. Women forced to seek out the termination of an unwanted pregnancy via the darkest alleys and basements of their cities. Coat hanger terminations that will render them infertile at best, and kill the lions share of these women at worst.
I find it absolutely ridiculous and totally unacceptable for our government to endorse such a clear and present danger to all women. Women who have free will, are alive, and have the ability to be positive contributors to this world and our lives. And all for the sake of something that clearly does not have any of those attributes or abilities.
What will each of you endorsing this insidious path for our nation do when it is your sister, daughter, or other loved one that are forced to seek out a coat hanger pregnancy termination and ends up dead, or scarred for life?
Palehorse, I hear you and I completely understand your position....
I hate that we as a society no longer want to be accountable for our own actions...Our Government promotes this type of society....as with many things, it takes one bad apple to spoil the cart........I would come closer to accepting Roe v Wade if it wasn't promoted as an alternative to bad choices made.
Killing is killing is NOT a campaign it is a FACT. ABORTION IS KILLING! Women who have two or three abortions is making a mockery out of some sincere cases....About half of all U.S (https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2007/05/repeat-abortion-repeat-unintended-pregnancy-repeated-and-misguided-government-policies). women having an abortion have had one previously.
I despise that it is promoted by Planned Parenthood as another form of contraception...it isn't, it is KILLING.
Can't get past that....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2019, 10:42:29 AMFACT...
Your "facts" are bullshit from a biased source that misrepresents data from other sources to fit their agenda. Once again you've proven yourself to be gullible and easily persuaded just as long as the agenda being pushed matched what you want to believe. The real facts do not support your argument in the least.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 21, 2019, 10:51:56 AMOnce again I'll point out this nations penchant for repeating history. . .
Actually, it isn't this nation at all. There isn't a single state in the country in which the majority of the population rejects a woman's right to choose. This is nothing more than a loud-mouthed group of fascist idiots trying to impose their will and their bullshit religious beliefs (that the hypocrites don't even attempt to live up to themselves) onto the majority of the populace.
"A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority." Booker T Washington
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2019, 11:44:34 AM"A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority." Booker T Washington
Hawk, let's face it. You are one despicable person. Experts and most male Narcissist were born that way. And Bunky you have to have been born that way. Where you come up your bullshit is really despicable. A Narcissist for one is a good liar. But most of all their whole world is is one big fantasy of what is good for them and how it affect them. If it isn't good for them, fuck it. You really don't give a damn about abortion. If you had to take on the these aborted fetus and raise it, feed it, medicate, and school it out of your own money. Old Henry the Big Mouth would say that he was for abortion 100%
I know you had two sons and they have moved to the farthest place of earth to get away from you. I really wonder why. I know one thing, they don't have to worry that you will be dropping in on they every week of so.
The Despicable Hawk is your name and try to change your thinking is like getting the religious right wing Christians to pay property taxes of their churches and the property they own, they bought with tax free money the religious sheeples sent them.
Your one of the cheapest, tight ass MFers I have every read, you sure couldn't be a friend of mine. :kissit:
You know one thing I have learned over the years is when you get an adversary so upset, they cannot logically put a sentence together or they have to use personal attacks on you, it almost always means, I WIN!...They have NOTHING substantial to fight back with....they are incapable of utilizing common sense nor do they have the fortitude to deliver fact from fiction...they merely try to leverage themselves by attacking with low-blows and nonsense. The Troll fits this to a TEE!!
Now I have made friends on here over the years....friends that I do NOT agree with religiously or politically...but I still consider them (many of them) CLOSE friends. We have managed to see past certain beliefs they/we have developed and accept them as sincere, honest and clearly passionate individuals.
Some of these folks KNOW, beyond a shadow of doubt, that I would be there for them with ONE phone call. I would stand behind these guys, despite our differences, 100%.......because I have taken the time, to KNOW their heart. I understand the person and know they are good people.
I'm kind of drifting off on a tangent, but SOMETIMES, it would be nice to see us rally around each other when certain ASSHOLES, Blow off! I'm not ever going to lose a second of sleep when my head hits the pillow because of anyone on here's "opinion of me".... but during these divisive times, it would be so refreshing to see some comradeship, despite strong differing opinions....
Hey, I'm fixin to leave my office after a very hard day....and just leaving my thoughts on here, like I have done several times in the past, and probably will in the future. :)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2019, 08:48:44 AMThere is a reason as to why it used to be preached that a man and a woman should wait until marriage then be fruitful and multiply....but that isn't the way it works....we take too much shit for granted and we got to live with our consequences...
"Live with our consequences?" Is that what you are going to tell to the 15 year old girl who got raped by her boyfriend and now is pregnant? To the 11 year old who is pregnant through incest? An 11, 12, or even 13 year old (even 14-15) bodies are not ready to have babies. Imagine what mental toll that would take on an 11 year old. There are many other scenarios I could present you with.
Killing is killing you say. So if the mother will die because of having the baby, (she's technically being killed by her kid) that's ok? As a mother myself, if I found out my second child would kill me by carrying it, I would not carry it. My first child would be motherless. Is that fair to her? No! Even if there wasn't another child involved I would still make the painful decision to abort. What child deserves to be brought into this world without her mother? Is it fair to bring a child into the world that has such severe defects they will die within days or weeks of being born? How is that fair to the child or the parents? Your putting the baby and the parents through agony they don't deserve.
You look at abortion as black and white and it isn't. There are too many other things to consider.
Abbey
I have stated on here plenty of times that I find exception when it comes to the health and safety of the woman....so do the vast majority of conservatives....rape victims can prevent conception if they get medical attention promptly. With all this being said it still stands... killing is killing...you cannot defend this.... it is a cold hard fact.
I am compassionate to the vast majority of women who makes this decision but I am very compassionate to that innocent unborn baby....killing it as a means of moving on with their life because they made a bad decision to have unprotected sex is disturbing to me.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2019, 06:49:07 PMAbbey
I have stated on here plenty of times that I find exception when it comes to the health and safety of the woman....so do the vast majority of conservatives....rape victims can prevent conception if they get medical attention promptly. With all this being said it still stands... killing is killing...you cannot defend this.... it is a cold hard fact.
I am compassionate to the vast majority of women who makes this decision but I am very compassionate to that innocent unborn baby....killing it as a means of moving on with their life because they made a bad decision to have unprotected sex is disturbing to me.
We know you are full of bullshit. Compassionate you are not. But we all know, you and your ilk should not be able to make laws that make a woman carry a baby to term or have abortion. Because Despicable Hawk, it's none of your god damn business. Keep your pointed nose out. :kazz: :hick:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2019, 06:49:07 PMAbbey
I have stated on here plenty of times that I find exception when it comes to the health and safety of the woman....so do the vast majority of conservatives....rape victims can prevent conception if they get medical attention promptly. With all this being said it still stands... killing is killing...you cannot defend this.... it is a cold hard fact.
I am compassionate to the vast majority of women who makes this decision but I am very compassionate to that innocent unborn baby....killing it as a means of moving on with their life because they made a bad decision to have unprotected sex is disturbing to me.
OMG. How ignorant are you? They bad decision, unprotected sex? You really think that is the only way a woman can get pregnant? Contraceptives can fail, a condom can break. A woman reported her partner unbeknownst to her removed the condom and she ended up pregnant. A bad decision? More like an asshole of a man who didn't want his supposed pleasure to be less and didn't care if she ended up pregnant. Your last sentence is so flippant. You have no compassion for women. A woman is trying to prevent pregnancy with her partner and ends up pregnant because the contraception failed. She already has three kids, they can't afford any more, and now you want her to carry a kid she doesn't want and can't afford?
If the vast majority of conservatives think it's ok in the case of rape, incest, life of the mom, then Alabama certainly isn't the case. And you make no sense. Killing is killing except in these cases? What happened? It's no longer a baby and became a blob? Now it's ok? You can't have it both ways and this is something that always bothered me, even when I was anti-abortion. Now I realize how stupid it is, that we can make exceptions to abortion for rape, incest and mom. We're still killing, yet now it is ok. How do you explain this? Why is it ok for that, but not for the woman who's contraception failed and isn't ready (financially, mentally, maybe even physically) for kids? Face it, there is NO difference.
One more thing. It is A-B-B-Y. Stop spelling my name wrong. I'm beginning to think you are doing it on purpose; being passive aggressive.
Quote from: AbbyTC on May 22, 2019, 08:25:23 PMOMG. How ignorant are you?
I'm assuming this is a rhetorical question? :biggrin:
QuoteIf the vast majority of conservatives think it's ok in the case of rape, incest, life of the mom, then Alabama certainly isn't the case. And you make no sense. Killing is killing except in these cases? What happened? It's no longer a baby and became a blob? Now it's ok? You can't have it both ways and this is something that always bothered me, even when I was anti-abortion. Now I realize how stupid it is, that we can make exceptions to abortion for rape, incest and mom. We're still killing, yet now it is ok. How do you explain this? Why is it ok for that, but not for the woman who's contraception failed and isn't ready (financially, mentally, maybe even physically) for kids? Face it, there is NO difference.
The same holds true as it relates to support of the death penalty; complete hypocrisy. :rolleyes:
Quote from: AbbyTC on May 22, 2019, 08:25:23 PMOMG. How ignorant are you? They bad decision, unprotected sex? You really think that is the only way a woman can get pregnant? Contraceptives can fail, a condom can break. A woman reported her partner unbeknownst to her removed the condom and she ended up pregnant. A bad decision? More like an asshole of a man who didn't want his supposed pleasure to be less and didn't care if she ended up pregnant. Your last sentence is so flippant. You have no compassion for women. A woman is trying to prevent pregnancy with her partner and ends up pregnant because the contraception failed. She already has three kids, they can't afford any more, and now you want her to carry a kid she doesn't want and can't afford?
If the vast majority of conservatives think it's ok in the case of rape, incest, life of the mom, then Alabama certainly isn't the case. And you make no sense. Killing is killing except in these cases? What happened? It's no longer a baby and became a blob? Now it's ok? You can't have it both ways and this is something that always bothered me, even when I was anti-abortion. Now I realize how stupid it is, that we can make exceptions to abortion for rape, incest and mom. We're still killing, yet now it is ok. How do you explain this? Why is it ok for that, but not for the woman who's contraception failed and isn't ready (financially, mentally, maybe even physically) for kids? Face it, there is NO difference.
One more thing. It is A-B-B-Y. Stop spelling my name wrong. I'm beginning to think you are doing it on purpose; being passive aggressive.
It is still killing a baby.........PERIOD. I'm tired of all the excuses....that is the way life is.
btw, I have a friend named Abbey....don't get your panties stuck up your crawl. Passive Aggressiv?? REALLY ;D WOW
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 23, 2019, 10:48:15 AMIt is still killing a baby.........PERIOD. I'm tired of all the excuses....that is the way life is.
btw, I have a friend named Abbey....don't get your panties stuck up your crawl. Passive Aggressiv?? REALLY ;D WOW
The correct term is fetus. It is a fetus until it's delivered and breathing. It's also not a legal person with rights until it is delivered and breathing on it's own. Even then, it's more legally considered property than person.
It's you stupid nitwits who refuse to learn anything and continue to cowtow to your ridiculous superstitions and debunked ideologies and think you have the right to push that crap into the legal system violating the rights of other American citizens. Your kind is authoritarian, bigoted, hating, racist, anti-American, scum.
On the other note, of course you're passive/aggressive. You've been a passive/aggressive little twit since we old timers first ran across you on the old HM.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2019, 11:44:34 AM"A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority." Booker T Washington
That from a fool who lives by the logical fallacy of the 'Appeal to the Majority'
You're an astounding hypocrite!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2019, 08:48:44 AMKilling is Killing....
You and your ilk are such hypocrites who refuse to live by your own BS and only drag it out when you're trying make ground for your authoritarian agenda.
"Killing is Killing" you won't apply to Capital Punishment, 'military actions', 'self-defense' etc...
...but suddenly when you're attempting to deprive other Americans - in specific, females - of their Rights, you start spewing your "Killing is Killing" hypocrisy.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2019, 08:48:44 AMIf I can change the law, I will vote for LIFE, every time.
...allow a termination of the baby right up until the last minute it is born....that is HORRIFIC that THAT can be acceptable in this day and time....
This is MY opinion but as you can tell by other comments on here that if you have a differing opinion or one that does not line up with theirs, it's okay to HATE and be an asshole....which is WHY we are becoming a divided nation.
1. What you're actually saying is that you'll vote to violate other American's Rights each and every time. With corrupt anti-Americans like you voting for other corrupt anti-Americans, you wonder why there are those of us worrying and complaining about corrupt, religious, and RW ideologically stacked courts in this country who should truly be the bastion of Rights and a wall against your corruption of America.
2. Even if your "last minute" crap was true, it's still not your, or the government's, business to interfere physically or legally with another person's Rights...no matter what your 'opinion' of it may be.
3. What we actually hate is your deliberate stupidity, your abject willingness to corrupt America, and that you will not stop until you've pushed your corrupt agenda into law. Your ilk's actions are why we are becoming a divided nation. Everything you fraudulently claim to stand for, you're actively destroying.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2019, 10:42:29 AMI'm also tired of the bullshit that Pro-lifers don't give a shit about the baby AFTER it's born....
Practicing Christians are more than twice as likely to adopt than the general population.
1. There are approximately 240 MILLION x-tians in the U.S.
2. There are approximately 108 THOUSAND children is foster care.
3. From 1970 to 2015 (a 45 year period) there have been approximately 45.7 MILLION abortions.
4. There are relatively 50.6 THOUSAND consistent adoptions per year.
The total of 2,3, and 4 don't even come close to the total number of x-tians in 1, so don't bother spewing that crap about x-tians caring or practicing their own BS. If your claim were even remotely true, the numbers in 2, 3, and 4 would be ZERO!
Quote from: Y on May 23, 2019, 12:23:37 PMEverything you fraudulently claim to stand for, you're actively destroying.
This.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 23, 2019, 07:29:50 AMThe same holds true as it relates to support of the death penalty; complete hypocrisy. :rolleyes:
Nope, One is innocent....the other isn't. Not a lick of hypocrisy.....just common sense.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 23, 2019, 10:48:15 AMbtw, I have a friend named Abbey....don't get your panties stuck up your crawl. Passive Aggressiv?? REALLY ;D WOW
Yes, passive aggressive. I know people who will purposely spell another's name wrong to show some sort of stupid aggression, but not in your face aggression. You constantly spell my name wrong, even after being corrected. It's annoying and I know if it happened to you, you would get annoyed, also.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 23, 2019, 10:48:15 AMIt is still killing a baby.........PERIOD. I'm tired of all the excuses....that is the way life is.
You still didn't answer my question and probably because you have no logical answer to it. Why is it ok to kill a baby in cases of rape, incest, mom's life, but not otherwise? What happened to make it ok in these circumstances? Did the baby morph into a blob and doesn't matter anymore? After all, KILLING is KILLING you said.
I'd like an answer to this. Why is it ok in some circumstances and not in others? Please explain, Henry. I'm waiting.
Quote from: AbbyTC on May 23, 2019, 06:36:49 PMYou still didn't answer my question and probably because you have no logical answer to it. Why is it ok to kill a baby in cases of rape, incest, mom's life, but not otherwise? What happened to make it ok in these circumstances? Did the baby morph into a blob and doesn't matter anymore? After all, KILLING is KILLING you said.
I'd like an answer to this. Why is it ok in some circumstances and not in others? Please explain, Henry. I'm waiting.
I didn't say it was ok in cases of rape and incest.... In case of a Mother's life then I find exception because someone is going to die.... a Mother's death can effect the well being of others.... such as if she already has children depending on her....
Abb E y.... 😉... Get over it ... that is MY opinion and thoughts.....As I have also stated I accept our law... though I think it should be left to the States to decide.....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 23, 2019, 06:48:30 PMI didn't say it was ok in cases of rape and incest.... In case of a Mother's life then I find exception because someone is going to die....a Mother's death can effect the well being of others.... such as if she already has children depending on her....
Abb E y.... 😉... Get over it ... that is MY opinion and thoughts.....As I have also stated I accept our law... though I think it should be left to the States to decide.....
So let's make the 12 year old carry her father's baby and the 15 year old who was raped by her boyfriend. Let's not give a fuck about them. Sure, they'll have some mental health problems, but that's ok. Because that little blob of cells inside of them is much more important than the safety and well-being of them.
Saw this on FB, written by a pastor.
Dave Barnhart writes,
"The unborn" are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don't resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don't ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don't need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don't bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. It's almost as if, by being born, they have died to you. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.
Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.
The root cause for all of this caterwauling is one side of the argument considers intercourse the duty of the woman and an absolute right of a man to impose upon the woman.
The opposing side sees it (correctly) as the expression of feelings the two parties harbor for each other, and the physical manifestation of it. The desire to bring pleasure to one another.
Pregnancy is sometimes the result of this, and more often than not it is unplanned. The decision to bring said pregnancy to full term rests solely upon those that engaged in the actions that brought the result. ( In the cases wherein one of the parties is absent, or forced said action upon the other, thereby breaking the law (s) of humankind, the decision rests solely with the woman.)
Their reasoning is theirs and theirs alone, and no one else's business. Period.
Laws based upon religious belief are a violation of constitutionally guaranteed rights. Period.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 23, 2019, 02:47:30 PMNope, One is innocent....the other isn't. Not a lick of hypocrisy.....just common sense.
Are you suggesting that no innocent person has ever been executed? And WTF happened to killing is killing? You get to decide who it's ok to kill and who it isn't? Do you think you're god? Yes, mountains of hypocrisy.
Quote from: AbbyTC on May 23, 2019, 07:10:05 PMSaw this on FB, written by a pastor.
Dave Barnhart writes,
"The unborn" are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don't resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don't ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don't need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don't bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. It's almost as if, by being born, they have died to you. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.
Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.
Perfect!
Quote from: Palehorse on May 24, 2019, 12:23:48 AMThe root cause for all of this caterwauling is one side of the argument considers intercourse the duty of the woman and an absolute right of a man to impose upon the woman.
The opposing side sees it (correctly) as the expression of feelings the two parties harbor for each other, and the physical manifestation of it. The desire to bring pleasure to one another.
Pregnancy is sometimes the result of this, and more often than not it is unplanned. The decision to bring said pregnancy to full term rests solely upon those that engaged in the actions that brought the result. ( In the cases wherein one of the parties is absent, or forced said action upon the other, thereby breaking the law (s) of humankind, the decision rests solely with the woman.)
Their reasoning is theirs and theirs alone, and no one else's business. Period.
Laws based upon religious belief are a violation of constitutionally guaranteed rights. Period.
Every word you said, well ALMOST every word you said, I agree with....My comments "killing is killing" may have not been the best way to put it....but the point I am trying to make is....Abortion is KILLING. There is NO denying this. It can be sugar coated all you want, but the procedure is KILLING an innocent baby. Call it a zygote or whatever you want...it is KILLING.
No Ex, I'm not lump me in to your stereotypical "religious" sector. I know innocent inmates has been wrongly convicted and killed.......I think that is HORRIBLE....I'm not playing God. I believe a cold-blooded murderer MUST be destroyed from our society. Let God determine his eternal destiny....(MY OPINION ) I think Killing a baby because two people made a mistake is HORRIBLE. However, I respect the law. I don't have to like it, (and I don't) but it's the law. If it can be changed and given back to the States to decide, I think it would be even better.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 24, 2019, 12:23:48 AMThe root cause for all of this caterwauling is one side of the argument considers intercourse the duty of the woman and an absolute right of a man to impose upon the woman.
The opposing side sees it (correctly) as the expression of feelings the two parties harbor for each other, and the physical manifestation of it. The desire to bring pleasure to one another.
Pregnancy is sometimes the result of this, and more often than not it is unplanned. The decision to bring said pregnancy to full term rests solely upon those that engaged in the actions that brought the result. ( In the cases wherein one of the parties is absent, or forced said action upon the other, thereby breaking the law (s) of humankind, the decision rests solely with the woman.)
Their reasoning is theirs and theirs alone, and no one else's business. Period.
Laws based upon religious belief are a violation of constitutionally guaranteed rights. Period.
Yes! Well said PH.
Shared with permission....and permission granted for others to share.
This pretty much says it all.
"Reasonable people can disagree about when a zygote becomes a "human life" - that's a philosophical question. However, regardless of whether or not one believes a fetus is ethically equivalent to an adult, it doesn't obligate a mother to sacrifice her bodily autonomy for another, innocent or not.
Bodily autonomy is a critical component of the right to privacy protected by the Constitution, as decided in Griswold v. Connecticut (1965), McFall v. Shimp (1978), and of course Roe v. Wade (1973). Consider a scenario where you are a perfect bone marrow match for a child with severe aplastic anemia; no other person on earth is a close enough match to save the child's life, and the child will certainly die without a bone marrow transplant from you. If you decided that you did not want to donate your marrow to save the child, for whatever reason, the state cannot demand the use of any part of your body for something to which you do not consent. It doesn't matter if the procedure required to complete the donation is trivial, or if the rationale for refusing is flimsy and arbitrary, or if the procedure is the only hope the child has to survive, or if the child is a genius or a saint or anything else - the decision to donate must be voluntary to be constitutional. This right is even extended to a person's body after they die; if they did not voluntarily commit to donate their organs while alive, their organs cannot be harvested after death, regardless of how useless those organs are to the deceased or many lives they would save. That's the law.
Use of a woman's uterus to save a life is no different from use of her bone marrow to save a life - it must be offered voluntarily. By all means, profess your belief that providing one's uterus to save the child is morally just, and refusing is morally wrong. That is a defensible philosophical position, regardless of who agrees and who disagrees. But legally, it must be the woman's choice to carry out the pregnancy. She may choose to carry the baby to term. She may choose not to. Either decision could be made for all the right reasons, all the wrong reasons, or anything in between. But it must be her choice, and protecting the right of bodily autonomy means the law is on her side. Supporting that precedent is what being pro-choice means.'"
Far right Christian Republicans are yellow chicken shit cowards. They can not make a woman carry a baby to birth by themselves. But these chicken shit cowards will buy yellow chicken shit politicians to pass government laws that will try to make her do it. Punish the woman for getting abortion, NO. But punish the person who helps her get abortion. In the 21st century these laws won't work, because the woman won't let them work.
But before this happens there will be pain, deaths and sucides cause by these yellow chicken shit Christians, cause by the yellow asshole sticking there nose into someone else's business. :rant:
A woman certainly has the right to her own body, I agree 100%.....But t's not her body being murdered.
There are consequences to our actions, and that includes the sex act.
Abortion is the taking of an innocent human life. Period.
I guess with your morals, you would stop abortion and you and your ilk will take care of the fetus's with your money and time. How about that Despicable? :yes:
You called it and you pay for it. :rant:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 31, 2019, 12:10:45 PMA woman certainly has the right to her own body, I agree 100%.....But t's not her body being murdered.
There are consequences to our actions, and that includes the sex act.
Abortion is the taking of an innocent human life. Period.
1. Stop lying, you certainly don't think women have the right to self-ownership.
2. A fetus is part of her body and won't survive unaided.
3. It's not 'murder' under any sane definition. A fetus is not a 'person' until it's born and starts breathing on it's own.
4. There certainly are consequences to our actions, but hypocrites such as yourself only want to impose them on others and not yourself. Think about your own actions as it applies to your fiscal irresponsibility and your using bankruptcy twice to avoid paying the piper for your actions. You RW religious nutbags are always huge hypocrites.
5. No, abortion is the removal of fetal tissue that is parasitic, part of the mother's body, and cannot survive as a separate entity.
6. As I and others have repeatedly pointed out, you RW religious cretins care about the fetus but not about human beings.