The following is from the front page of today's Washington Post:
FBI in agreement with CIA that Russia aimed to help Trump win White House
A view of the Kremlin in Moscow during a snowfall on
Dec. 8. (Maxim Shipenkov/European Pressphoto Agency)
By Adam Entous and Ellen Nakashima
December 16 at 7:43 PM
FBI Director James B. Comey and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. are in agreement with a CIA assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election in part to help Donald Trump win the White House, officials disclosed Friday, as President Obama issued a public warning to Moscow that it could face retaliation.
New revelations about Comey's position could put to rest suggestions by some lawmakers that the CIA and the FBI weren't on the same page on Russian President Vladimir Putin's intentions.
Russia has denied being behind the cyber-intrusions, which targeted the Democratic National Committee and the private emails of Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, John Podesta. Trump, in turn, has repeatedly said he doubts the veracity of U.S. intelligence blaming Moscow for the hacks.
"I think it's ridiculous," Trump said in an interview with "Fox News Sunday," his first Sunday news-show appearance since the Nov. 8 election. "I think it's just another excuse. I don't believe it. . . . No, I don't believe it at all."
At a "thank you" event Thursday night with some of her top campaign donors and fundraisers, Clinton said she believed Russian-backed hackers went after her campaign because of a personal grudge that Putin had against her. Putin had blamed Clinton for fomenting mass protests in Russia after disputed 2011 parliamentary elections that challenged his rule. Putin said Clinton, then secretary of state, had "sent a signal" to protesters by labeling the elections "neither free nor fair."
What the U.S. knows about Russia's election hacks, and what it can do about it
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In December, during a closed door briefing with senators, the CIA shared a secret assessment. The agency concluded it was now "quite clear" that Russia's goal was to the help Donald Trump win the White House.
(Jason Aldag/The Washington Post)
[Moscow has the world's attention. For Putin, that's a win.]
The positions of Comey and Clapper were revealed in a message that CIA Director John Brennan sent to the agency's workforce Friday.
"Earlier this week, I met separately with FBI [Director] James Comey and DNI Jim Clapper, and there is strong consensus among us on the scope, nature, and intent of Russian interference in our presidential election," Brennan said, according to U.S. officials who have seen the message.
The CIA and the FBI declined to comment on Brennan's message or on the classified intelligence assessment that CIA officials shared with members of the Senate Intelligence Committee earlier this month, setting off a political firestorm.
In the closed-door Senate briefing, CIA officials said it was now "quite clear" that electing Trump was one of Russia's goals, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.
CIA and FBI officials do not think Russia had a "single purpose" by intervening during the presidential campaign, officials said. In addition to the goal of helping elect Trump, Putin aimed to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system, intelligence officials have told lawmakers.
A few days after the Senate briefing, a senior FBI counterintelligence official briefed the House Intelligence Committee but was not as categorical as the CIA briefer about Russia's intention to help Trump, according to officials who were present. The FBI official's more cautious presentation of the intelligence to the House panel left some Republican and Democratic lawmakers in the room with the impression that the FBI disagreed with the CIA.
Obama warns against making Russia probe a 'political football'
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Throughout his Dec. 16 news conference, President Obama came back to Russia's suspected role in the 2016 election, how the U.S. became vulnerable to that country's influence and what should be focused on going forward. (Reuters)
Officials close to the FBI and the CIA now say that lawmakers had misunderstood Comey's position. "The truth is they were never all that different in the first place," an official said. Similarly, officials said, Clapper and Brennan saw the intelligence the same way.
Earlier this week, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and a Trump supporter, wrote to spy chiefs to demand briefings on the Russian meddling.
But Clapper responded that he wanted to first complete a review of all available U.S. intelligence, as directed by Obama.
Brennan tried to talk to Nunes several times about the dispute. But officials said the congressman didn't take his calls until after he issued a statement Wednesday asking intelligence leaders to "clarify press reports that the CIA has a new assessment that it has not shared with us."
Officials disputed the statement, saying Nunes had been fully briefed on the intelligence.
"In recent days, I have had several conversations with members of Congress, providing an update on the status of the review as well as the considerations that need to be taken into account as we proceed," Brennan wrote in his message to CIA staffers. "Many — but unfortunately not all — members understand and appreciate the importance and the gravity of the issue, and they are very supportive of the process that is underway."
Brennan wrote to the CIA workforce, officials said, to reassure them in the face of accusations from Trump supporters that intelligence was being politicized.
Nunes did not respond to requests for comment, but in a statement, he said, "We have not received any information from Intelligence Community (IC) agencies indicating that they have developed new assessments on this issue. I am alarmed that supposedly new information continues to leak to the media but has not been provided to Congress."
In one of the last news conferences of his presidency, Obama defended his administration's response to the Russian hacking and vowed to "send a clear message to Russia" that its meddling was unacceptable.
"I think we handled it the way it should have been handled," he said of the hacking investigation and the lack of a formal accusation of blame until a month before the election. "We allowed law enforcement and the intelligence community to do its job without political influence."
Obama was referring to an Oct. 7 statement by Clapper and Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson publicly blaming Russia for hacking political organizations, a clear reference to the Democratic National Committee and other Democratic officials.
U.S. officials said an earlier draft of the Clapper-Johnson statement singled out Putin by name for authorizing the influence operation. But before the final statement was made public, Putin's name was removed "so it wouldn't be provocative," one official said. Instead, the statement blamed "Russia's senior-most officials."
At that time, Obama said, the U.S. intelligence community "did not attribute motives" to Russia's decision to intervene in the election.
"Imagine if we had done the opposite," he said Friday. "It would have become immediately just one more political scrum. And part of the goal here was to make sure that we did not do the work of the leakers for them by raising more and more questions about the integrity of the election right before the election was taking place — at a time, by the way, when the president-elect himself was raising questions about the integrity of the election."
At Friday's news conference, Obama did not directly point the finger at the Russian president. But he came close to doing so by saying: "Not much happens in Russia without Vladimir Putin."
[Putin wants revenge and respect, and hacking the U.S. is his way of getting it]
Some members of Clinton's campaign, Democrats in Congress and others have taken the Obama administration to task for not calling out Russian efforts to influence the election sooner, as well as for not taking retaliatory action against those responsible for the cyber-intrusions and leaks to WikiLeaks, the anti-secrecy group.
Obama said some possible retaliatory measures might not be seen by the public, although they would be seen or felt by Moscow. Obama, who has only a few weeks left in office, made clear any response to the hacks must be carefully thought through.
"The relationship between us and Russia has deteriorated, sadly, significantly over the last several years," Obama said. "And so how we approach an appropriate response that increases costs for them for behavior like this in the future but does not create problems for us is something that's worth taking the time to think through and figure out."
Abby Phillip and Greg Miller contributed to this report.
Adam Entous writes about national security, foreign policy and intelligence for The Post. He joined the newspaper in 2016 after more than 20 years with The Wall Street Journal and Reuters, where he covered the Pentagon, the CIA, the White House and Congress. He covered President George W. Bush for five years after the September 11, 2001, attacks.
Ellen Nakashima is a national security reporter for The Washington Post. She focuses on issues relating to intelligence, technology and civil liberties. Follow @nakashimae
Watch- "They don't know what they are doing and my anecdotal evidence overrides their tripe." -(Paraphrased)
Self righteous, indignant, sheep! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :rant:
:rolleyes:
You lost; get over it.... :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 19, 2016, 08:01:16 AM
You lost; get over it.... :rolleyes:
Oh I'm over it, but I'm not going to forget or for give you lying, cheating, frigging, Republican Bastards. :yes: :trustme:
Quote from: The Troll on December 19, 2016, 11:15:31 AM
Oh I'm over it, but I'm not going to forget or for give you lying, cheating, frigging, Republican Bastards. :yes: :trustme:
The only one's I have seen lying and cheating is the losers........wanting recounts, blaming everyone but Hillary for the loss.....it is sort of comical, but now its time to get serious and make this country great again.
Quote from: me on December 17, 2016, 08:06:10 PM
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 19, 2016, 08:01:16 AM
You lost; get over it.... :rolleyes:
Your boy McCain doesn't see it that way. . .
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/mccain-sees-russia-hacking-threat-odds-trump-44277165 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/mccain-sees-russia-hacking-threat-odds-trump-44277165)
. . ."We need a select committee. We need to get to the bottom of this. We need to find out exactly what was done and what the implications of the attacks were, especially if they had an effect on our election," McCain said. "There's no doubt they were interfering and no doubt that it was cyberattacks. The question now is how much and what damage and what should the United States of America do? And so far, we have been totally paralyzed." . . .
Looks like the GOP is once again, getting prepared to divide. :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on December 19, 2016, 02:39:57 PM
Your boy McCain doesn't see it that way. . .
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/mccain-sees-russia-hacking-threat-odds-trump-44277165 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/mccain-sees-russia-hacking-threat-odds-trump-44277165)
Looks like the GOP is once again, getting prepared to divide. :yes:
McCain is an ass....he was NEVER my boy. He was best the GOP could muster up once, but he is NOT my boy.
He is part of the problem...part of the swamp that needs drained. He is a lifetime politician, who is part of the so-called "establishment"....he is a dinosaur and time for him to kindly go-away....along with about 90% of the politicians in Washington.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 19, 2016, 02:45:04 PM
McCain is an ass....he was NEVER my boy. He was best the GOP could muster up once, but he is NOT my boy.
He is part of the problem...part of the swamp that needs drained. He is a lifetime politician, who is part of the so-called "establishment"....he is a dinosaur and time for him to kindly go-away....along with about 90% of the politicians in Washington.
How quickly they turn. . . :spooked:
Quote from: Palehorse on December 19, 2016, 02:54:17 PM
How quickly they turn. . . :spooked:
Nope, this has been a long time in the making.....it just took someone like Trump, who has the balls to actually speak out and be the voice for Americans who are tired of the same old - same old!
Back in the day, McCain was the best we had to pick from, so by default he was my guy...but he was wishy washy then and he is even worse today.
So, call it turnin if you want...but now, I got someone who has me excited about the future of this nation.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 19, 2016, 03:03:37 PM
Nope, this has been a long time in the making.....it just took someone like Trump, who has the balls to actually speak out and be the voice for Americans who are tired of the same old - same old!
Back in the day, McCain was the best we had to pick from, so by default he was my guy...but he was wishy washy then and he is even worse today.
So, call it turnin if you want...but now, I got someone who has me excited about the future of this nation.
If you think Trump is speaking for guys like you, you're sorely mistaken. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on December 19, 2016, 03:11:38 PM
If you think Trump is speaking for guys like you, you're sorely mistaken. :yes:
Listen Locutus, you are the one sorely mistaken.....maybe you need to take a little advice from the Hawk...and just sit back and wait to see what happens before you go attacking the man.
I KNOW! I KNOW! You are going to call me a hypocrite! Perhaps I was...I could have waited a tad longer...but I DID say, and I gave you proof, that I wished Obama could make me a democrat.....because the bottom line is, I want to see America have another economic BOOM! I want to see some real leadership once again...I want to see us NOT BE divided as we are now....I want to see Patriotism return....I have real hope and change right now...
Maybe YOU will be right and it could turn out for the worse, but enough of us have faith that Trump won in a landslide victory....along with governorships, House and Senate.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 19, 2016, 03:21:30 PM
Listen Locutus, you are the one sorely mistaken.....maybe you need to take a little advice from the Hawk...and just sit back and wait to see what happens before you go attacking the man.
I KNOW! I KNOW! You are going to call me a hypocrite! Perhaps I was...I could have waited a tad longer...but I DID say, and I gave you proof, that I wished Obama could make me a democrat.....because the bottom line is, I want to see America have another economic BOOM! I want to see some real leadership once again...I want to see us NOT BE divided as we are now....I want to see Patriotism return....I have real hope and change right now...
Maybe YOU will be right and it could turn out for the worse, but enough of us have faith that Trump won in a landslide victory....along with governorships, House and Senate.
Hank, have you even performed a cursory investigation into the individuals he is naming to his administration? Our government is being transformed into one run by the corporation and for the corporation, instead of the people.
At least admit that if Hillary had won and the intelligence branches of this nation had proof of foreign influence being imposed upon the process, you'd be clamoring for an independent investigation into the matter. . .
Birdy Boy, I'm just waiting for you and your Republican friends to step on your dicks :haha: Just like you always do. :haha: It has happened in the past for you asshole some many times and it is going happen again. :wink: :yes: This future time it is going to be something really big. :haha: :haha:
Quote from: Palehorse on December 19, 2016, 03:29:08 PM
Hank, have you even performed a cursory investigation into the individuals he is naming to his administration?
Yes I have paid close attention. I have also learned to not second guess Trump. I'm willing to give him a chance......he is the first NON-politician in my lifetime to give it a "go"....We have a congress who is there to keep him in check. If he makes a bad choice, we will learn quickly. It isn't like we haven't had some bad people put into admin positions before....THIS congress isn't as Trump friendly as you may think.....He is going to be under a microscope and the press is going to POUNCE on every opportunity they can. I think he has made some very interesting picks....
Quote from: Palehorse on December 19, 2016, 03:29:08 PMOur government is being transformed into one run by the corporation and for the corporation, instead of the people.
He has picked some people who are experts.....and according to Trump are patriotic...which I have no reason to disbelieve....Give him a chance to at least be wrong....you have him tried and hung before he has come close to taken office.
Quote from: Palehorse on December 19, 2016, 03:29:08 PM
At least admit that if Hillary had won and the intelligence branches of this nation had proof of foreign influence being imposed upon the process, you'd be clamoring for an independent investigation into the matter. . .
If there IS proof then it needs to be shared....and then handled accordingly...
Funny how it was okay for Hillary to impose her influence with phony stories about Trump affairs......these women have all gone away now. Hillary (or DNC) staged protests against trump to IMPOSE a negative influence....so, excuse me if I am not all giddy about who was trying to influence who....
Wrong is wrong...no mater how you slice it.
Trump is the first from the GOP side of things that had the balls to fight back.....McCain wouldn't. Romney wouldn't. Bush didn't.
As far as the emails and wikileaks.......if there was lies about Hillary it would have been one thing, but there is no proof that there was any lies.....it seemed as if they are sorry they got exposed.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 19, 2016, 03:51:58 PM
Yes I have paid close attention. I have also learned to not second guess Trump. I'm willing to give him a chance......he is the first NON-politician in my lifetime to give it a "go"....We have a congress who is there to keep him in check. If he makes a bad choice, we will learn quickly. It isn't like we haven't had some bad people put into admin positions before....THIS congress isn't as Trump friendly as you may think.....He is going to be under a microscope and the press is going to POUNCE on every opportunity they can. I think he has made some very interesting picks....
He has picked some people who are experts.....and according to Trump are patriotic...which I have no reason to disbelieve....Give him a chance to at least be wrong....you have him tried and hung before he has come close to taken office.
If there IS proof then it needs to be shared....and then handled accordingly...
Funny how it was okay for Hillary to impose her influence with phony stories about Trump affairs......these women have all gone away now. Hillary (or DNC) staged protests against trump to IMPOSE a negative influence....so, excuse me if I am not all giddy about who was trying to influence who....
Wrong is wrong...no mater how you slice it.
Trump is the first from the GOP side of things that had the balls to fight back.....McCain wouldn't. Romney wouldn't. Bush didn't.
As far as the emails and wikileaks.......if there was lies about Hillary it would have been one thing, but there is no proof that there was any lies.....it seemed as if they are sorry they got exposed.
I'm sure Putin will be happy to read how you feel about this. . .
Ironic thing is how you hate the cold so much though. Siberia will make this weather feel like Florida.
Quote from: Palehorse on December 19, 2016, 03:58:11 PM
I'm sure Putin will be happy to read how you feel about this. . .
Ironic thing is how you hate the cold so much though. Siberia will make this weather feel like Florida.
What makes you think I want to make Putin happy?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 19, 2016, 04:16:55 PM
What makes you think I want to make Putin happy?
Your words and perspectives.
This nation has been played by Korporate Amerika and Russia.
Quote from: Palehorse on December 19, 2016, 05:15:35 PM
Your words and perspectives.
... and most importantly, his vote. :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on December 19, 2016, 05:15:35 PM
Your words and perspectives.
This nation has been played by Korporate Amerika and Russia.
What have I said specifically that suggests I am a fan of Putin?
How exactly have we been 'Played'? NOTHING has happened. Trump isn't POTUS yet. Simply because Trump isn't verbally attacking Putin? Because Trump said he was looking forward to "talking" to Putin when he becomes President?
I don't get it....I can tell you right now, for the record....I don't trust Putin OR Russia! It doesn't mean I think we should go to war with them. Is that what YOU guys want? I thought liberals was all about diplomacy?
I am excited that we NOW have someone in charge that KNOWS something about diplomacy....Trump has been diplomatic his whole career. It is about time we have people in Washington, who KNOW something about this....
Quote from: Locutus on December 19, 2016, 05:46:36 PM
... and most importantly, his vote. :mad:
you lost;get over it!!
(you don't know how good that feels... :razz: )
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 20, 2016, 07:39:03 AM
. . .
I am excited that we NOW have someone in charge that KNOWS something about diplomacy....Trump has been diplomatic his whole career. It is about time we have people in Washington, who KNOW something about this....
:eek: :spooked:
You cannot be serious. . . :spooked:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 20, 2016, 07:39:03 AM
I am excited that we NOW have someone in charge that KNOWS something about diplomacy....Trump has been diplomatic his whole career. It is about time we have people in Washington, who KNOW something about this....
Diplomacy? How can you say that? Look how he handled Hamilton, Alec Baldwin's impersonation on SNL, and the Vanity Fair review of his restaurant (which ended up getting 13,000 new subscribers in one day! Thanks, Trump! :wink:). He doesn't like something you do, he turns to Twitter and mouths off. That's not very diplomatic. If he can't be diplomatic in these easy cases, how is he going to act when it really gets tough?
Quote from: AbbyTC on December 20, 2016, 06:50:46 PM
Diplomacy? How can you say that? Look how he handled Hamilton, Alec Baldwin's impersonation on SNL, and the Vanity Fair review of his restaurant (which ended up getting 13,000 new subscribers in one day! Thanks, Trump! :wink:). He doesn't like something you do, he turns to Twitter and mouths off. That's not very diplomatic. If he can't be diplomatic in these easy cases, how is he going to act when it really gets tough?
And how he handled the One China Policy, and how he told them to keep the research drone, etc., etc. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on December 20, 2016, 06:52:14 PM
And how he handled the One China Policy, and how he told them to keep the research drone, etc., etc. :rolleyes:
Unpresidented act! :laugh: So we all know how to use it correctly: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/19/unpresidented-trump-word-definition
:rotfl:
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At least Trump knows how many states there are. :biggrin:
https://www.youtube.com/v/EpGH02DtIws
Quote from: me on December 20, 2016, 09:42:52 PM
At least Trump knows how many states there are. :biggrin:
https://www.youtube.com/v/EpGH02DtIws
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Sweet baby Jeebus hanging on the cross. . . :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Quote from: Palehorse on December 20, 2016, 12:32:34 PM
:eek: :spooked:
You cannot be serious. . . :spooked:
I have never been more serious.......
Quote from: me on December 21, 2016, 02:21:36 AM
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No thanks. You're going to be needing it a lot sooner than I will. :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 21, 2016, 07:06:01 AM
I have never been more serious.......
See the above posting. . .
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 21, 2016, 07:06:01 AM
I have never been more serious.......
Henry sure has that butt sucking :suck: :suck: :suck: :suck: :egg: down to science. :rotfl: :choo: :choo: :choo:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 19, 2016, 08:01:16 AM
You lost; get over it.... :rolleyes:
...say the people who are fond of draping themselves in the confederate flag. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on December 22, 2016, 10:35:13 AM
...say the people who are fond of draping themselves in the confederate flag. :rolleyes:
Lie! You just make shit up all the time don't you... :rolleyes:
You prove everyday, you really don't know shit...YOU live in a delusional world.
This is a great read...By a democrat from the HuffPost......
this sums EVERYTHING that I tried to convey....it says it all, very, very well.
Making Sense Of The Russian Hacks, Trump, Clinton, Wikileaks, And The DNC Soap Opera (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/making-sense-of-the-russian-hacks-trump-clinton-wikileaks_us_58575286e4b0d5f48e165113)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 22, 2016, 12:59:55 PM
YOU live in a delusional world.
Delusional as in I believe there's an invisible man living in the sky or as in I think that if I ignore my bills long enough they'll magically disappear? LMFAO!
Assange: Russian government not the source of WikiLeaks emails
"We can say, we have said, repeatedly that over the last two months that our source is not the Russian government and it is not a state party," Assange said
You fully trust Julian Assange, Hank?
Quote from: Locutus on January 03, 2017, 12:02:52 PM
You fully trust Julian Assange, Hank?
Has he ever gave us a reason to NOT trust him? For 10 years, he has a flawless history of releasing authentic information...he is exposing government corruption...it just happens to be mostly on Hillary........whose fault is that?
HH, All I can say is you seem to be a nice man, and I tried to read all of the Huffington Post article by the marketing technologist that you posted, but had to stop because I got, still have, a sick feeling that so many earnest, gullible people like the writer don't seem to have a clue about how complicated, 'running' this wonderful country is. And are willing to turn it over to Donald Trump, a master con artist who was born rich and has spent his adult life learning how, and putting into practice, separating others from their money. Don't you, don't all those others understand that what will most likely happen when Trump becomes POTUS is that he will turn to those very rich, very powerful people he already knows (including in other countries) and forget about all the people without jobs who believe he will be their savior (it seems like blasphemy to use that word to describe him).
It made me sick to see the video of Trump in McDowell County, WV, telling those poor ignorant people he would bring back the coal mines and jobs. What a joke. A sick joke.
This is for Duke Jupiter. If I offended you by what I said about the poor ignorant people in McDowell County, I apologize. (I was born there.)
Quote from: libby on January 03, 2017, 02:42:47 PM
It made me sick to see the video of Trump in McDowell County, WV, telling those poor ignorant people he would bring back the coal mines and jobs. What a joke. A sick joke.
What's frightening is that those aren't the only people he lied to.
Every politician, obviously, spins things to better suit them and their agenda (some more than others), but few outright lie. None of them have had the mendacity, as Trump did, to be so constantly fact free. He went around campaigning on issues of immigration, claiming it's at an all time high, when in fact it's at a 50 year low. Or claiming that crime was at an all time high, when in fact it's at a 40 year low. The list goes on, and on, and on.
These weren't one-off slips of the tongue, but the basis for his entire campaign. Yet people bought the whole thing. Hook; line; sinker. :mad:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 03, 2017, 12:13:54 PM
Has he ever gave us a reason to NOT trust him?
Uh, how many people do you know personally who've been accused of rape and hid instead of going to court to clear their names?
Quote from: Locutus on January 03, 2017, 03:36:10 PM
claiming that crime was at an all time high, when in fact it's at a 40 year low.
Really? Not exactly what Trump was talking about....he was talking about cities like Chicago where it is off the charts....
Murders are up in roughly 30 cities nationwide so far in 2016
Chicago's murder rate soars 72% in 2016; shootings up more than 88%
Dallas: (45 homicides in 2016 compared with 26)
Jacksonville, Fla.: (30 in 2016, 18 in 2015)
Las Vegas (40 and 22)
Los Angeles (73 and 55)
Memphis (48 and 31)
Nashville (20 and 13)
San Antonio (34 and 23).
Quote from: Exterminator on January 03, 2017, 03:51:07 PM
Uh, how many people do you know personally who've been accused of rape and hid instead of going to court to clear their names?
Sounds like it was just a way to "get" this guy on a "fake" accusation.....this doesn't change the FACT that everything he has release was true....it was actuall EMAILS of corruption. I don't care if it was from Charles Manson, the TRUTH is the TRUTH!
Quote from: libby on January 03, 2017, 02:42:47 PM
HH, All I can say is you seem to be a nice man
Thank you Libby, I am!!! :yes: :razz:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 03, 2017, 04:31:49 PM
Thank you Libby, I am!!! :yes: :razz:
Just a bit misguided. :yes: :razz:
Quote from: Locutus on January 03, 2017, 04:33:51 PM
Just a bit misguided. :yes: :razz:
Only by my liberal friends from here at the Zone.... :yes: :razz:
;D
Quote from: Locutus on January 03, 2017, 04:33:51 PM
Just a bit misguided. :yes: :razz:
MISGUIDED!!!!!!!! This bird :chick: is fucking crazy and out of his mind. :dizzy2: :dizzy2: :liar2: :mama:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 03, 2017, 03:59:34 PM
Sounds like it was just a way to "get" this guy on a "fake" accusation...
Funny how every accusation against someone you support is fake and every accusation against someone you don't is true.
Quote...this doesn't change the FACT that everything he has release was true...
Case in point. The actual fact is that it is virtually impossible to determine the extent to which anything he posts is true or not without access to the original documents but it is pretty hysterical to see a Trump supporter attempting to stress the importance of honesty.
Quote from: Exterminator on January 04, 2017, 01:23:47 PM
Funny how every accusation against someone you support is fake and every accusation against someone you don't is true.
Case in point. The actual fact is that it is virtually impossible to determine the extent to which anything he posts is true or not without access to the original documents but it is pretty hysterical to see a Trump supporter attempting to stress the importance of honesty.
The same thing can be said about YOU guys. You only want to use crap that fits YOUR ideology. But when the tables turn, it is a bad thing.
You are the first one to scream hypocrisy, but seem to think it doesn't apply to you.
Hank, did you watch the interview with Assange last night on Hannity?
I watched the whole thing in its entirety.
Quote from: Locutus on January 04, 2017, 02:14:00 PM
Hank, did you watch the interview with Assange last night on Hannity?
I watched the whole thing in its entirety.
I DVR'd it. Haven't had time to watch. What are your thoughts?
I won't share much until you have a chance to watch it.
He repeatedly said that the Russian government wasn't Wikileak's source, but never anything more specific than that. Any thinking individual would conclude that even if the Russian government wasn't Wikileak's direct source, that doesn't mean that the Russian government wasn't the originator of the information. :wink:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 04, 2017, 01:44:12 PM
You only want to use crap that fits YOUR ideology.
You mean things like science and math? Stupid people are so annoying. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/04/politics/us-intelligence-trump/index.html) :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on January 04, 2017, 06:09:56 PM
You mean things like science and math? Stupid people are so annoying. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/04/politics/us-intelligence-trump/index.html) :rolleyes:
He's so fucking dangerous, yet his supporters don't get it.
From that article:
Another official added, "It's a sad day when politicians and people like Hank place more stock in (Russian President Vladimir Putin and (WikiLeaks founder) Julian Assange than in the Americans who risk their lives daily to provide objective, non-partisan intelligence analysis." The part in bold was my addition obviously. :mad:
Quote from: Locutus on January 04, 2017, 06:28:34 PM
He's so fucking dangerous, yet his supporters don't get it.
From that article:
Another official added, "It's a sad day when politicians and people like Hank place more stock in (Russian President Vladimir Putin and (WikiLeaks founder) Julian Assange than in the Americans who risk their lives daily to provide objective, non-partisan intelligence analysis."
The part in bold was my addition obviously. :mad:
He and his supporters are treasonous parasites that don't deserve to call themselves Americans.
Why is all this attention being given to the hacking and none to the content of the emails?
Quote from: me on January 04, 2017, 08:07:44 PM
Why is all this attention being given to the hacking and none to the content of the emails?
The news media covered the content of the emails quite adequately at the time Wikileaks published them.
BTW, don't forget this as was pointed out by Ex:
Quote from: Exterminator on January 04, 2017, 01:23:47 PM
The actual fact is that it is virtually impossible to determine the extent to which anything he posts is true or not without access to the original documents but it is pretty hysterical to see a Trump supporter attempting to stress the importance of honesty.
I believe there was no question as to whether the documents were true they were just focing on the hack influencing the elections. Personally I think Hillary's condesending attitude and nastiness did her in.
Quote from: me on January 04, 2017, 11:33:42 PM
I believe there was no question as to whether the documents were true they were just focing on the hack influencing the elections. Personally I think Hillary's condesending attitude and nastiness did her in.
:me: Please tell me what Hillary did to you personally, for you to hate her so much. :doh: I'll bet you can't name one that has any fact. :gorgeous: :wait:
Quote from: The Troll on January 05, 2017, 10:19:26 AM
:me: Please tell me what Hillary did to you personally, for you to hate her so much. :doh: I'll bet you can't name one that has any fact. :gorgeous: :wait:
You go first, what has Trump done to you?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 05, 2017, 10:21:49 AM
You go first, what has Trump done to you?
Well, for no.1, no2, no3,////////////////////no.1253. He lied and lied and lied to the America people. :angry: He is a chronic liar. :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: Need any more? :rant:
Quote from: me on January 04, 2017, 08:07:44 PM
Why is all this attention being given to the hacking and none to the content of the emails?
Do you people seriously not understand the ramifications of Russia influencing our electoral process?
Quote from: Exterminator on January 05, 2017, 11:07:13 AM
Do you people seriously not understand the ramifications of Russia influencing our electoral process?
Apparently not with Dodo bird. :doh:
Quote from: Exterminator on January 05, 2017, 11:07:13 AM
Do you people seriously not understand the ramifications of Russia influencing our electoral process?
Can we have some PROOF first? It seems like that has not been presented yet. BTW, where was everyone when China was hacking the shit out everything? it was crickets...........now, that Hillary lost, everyone is ready for WWIII it seems.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 05, 2017, 12:07:10 PM
Can we have some PROOF first? It seems like that has not been presented yet. BTW, where was everyone when China was hacking the shit out everything? it was crickets...........now, that Hillary lost, everyone is ready for WWIII it seems.
China = Russia. . . And all of that couldn't have been a diversion now could it?
Why do you not put any
value or trust within our intelligence operations within this country now? There was a time that you took their word as coming straight from the lips of God. Until they stated numerous times there was no criminal act involved with the E-Mail Red herring the GOP ministry of propaganda put out there. (Some of you are
still squalling over that one).
Things in this nation are increasingly becoming ass backwards, with the media serving as propaganda minister for the emotional storms the wealthy want to continue to rage so they can get more power and more money. They purchased our government via objectives designed to create fear and emotional stress amongst the general population of this country; and it worked so they are now doubling down.
All of this served to create distrust of all things government and an unrealistic acceptance of media propaganda as truth. And now we have an incoming POTUS that represents the worst of this country on a daily basis.
All of these things serve to weaken this nation collectively. Russian leadership is probably having a hard time sleeping at night over the sheer joy of the realization that they can now manipulate US governance. How long before we have Russian Navy Vessels off our coasts and aircraft infringing upon our airspace, each bristling with weapons of mass destruction? (Not long as they've already been pushing the envelope for years now). :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on January 05, 2017, 02:45:53 PM
China = Russia. . . And all of that couldn't have been a diversion now could it?
Why do you not put any value or trust within our intelligence operations within this country now? There was a time that you took their word as coming straight from the lips of God. Until they stated numerous times there was no criminal act involved with the E-Mail Red herring the GOP ministry of propaganda put out there. (Some of you are still squalling over that one).
Here is ONE reason as to why I have lost some
value or trust within our intelligence operations within this country...
Let me share with you an exchange from the FBI Director and a representative:
Gowdy: "Secretary Clinton said there was nothing marked classified on her emails, either sent or received. Is that true?"
Comey: "That's not true, there were a small number of portion markings on, I think, three of the documents."
Gowdy:"Secretary Clinton said, 'I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email, there is no classified material.' Was that true?"
Comey: "There was classified material emailed."
Gowdy: "Secretary Clinton said she used just one device. Was that true?"
Comey: "She used multiple devices during the four years of her term as secretary of state."
Gowdy: "Secretary Clinton said all work-related emails were returned to the State Department. Was that true?"
Comey: "No, we found work-related emails, thousands, that were not returned."
and for the record, I don't think there was EVER a time that I took their word as coming straight from the lips of God...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 05, 2017, 03:01:01 PM
. . .
and for the record, I don't think there was EVER a time that I took their word as coming straight from the lips of God...
Operation Iraqi Freedom?
The Raging Cheeto just appointed Dan Coates as Secretary of Intelligence. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on January 05, 2017, 03:07:27 PM
Operation Iraqi Freedom?
Well if that's the case, then I could reverse this and say the same about you guys NOT trusting government?
My point today is, do we have ANY conclusive evidence that Russia had anything to do with the election? As far as I have learned we have NOT, at least anything that our "intelligence" is willing to share.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 05, 2017, 03:20:55 PM
Well if that's the case, then I could reverse this and say the same about you guys NOT trusting government?
My point today is, do we have ANY conclusive evidence that Russia had anything to do with the election? As far as I have learned we have NOT, at least anything that our "intelligence" is willing to share.
Drat! Nobody consulted me either! But we can be sure Donald Trump will be tweeting his version of :confused: reality.
I spent a good part of my morning listening to BG Clapper, Director of National Intelligence, answer questions during Senate hearings about what is/has been going on, but I finally walked away in disgust because, just as he was very carefully saying as much as he could about covert information, and said several times that he could not comment on information that would be presented "tomorrow," a chirpy MSNBC news talker broke in and began giving HER interpretation of what he was saying. :no:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 05, 2017, 03:20:55 PM
Well if that's the case, then I could reverse this and say the same about you guys NOT trusting government?
I don't implicitly trust ANY government. But let's not muddy the water with it. . .
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 05, 2017, 03:20:55 PM
My point today is, do we have ANY conclusive evidence that Russia had anything to do with the election? As far as I have learned we have NOT, at least anything that our "intelligence" is willing to share.
Our intelligence agencies say they do. Moreover they
agree on the conclusions as well. (A rarity).
Then lets consider the fact that Russian aggression is an ongoing issue for any "free" entity in this world, and we've been a fat target for them for decades. Their propensity for pushing the envelope on national/international lines is insidiously infamous. (The list goes on and on surrounding reasons they are not to be trusted).
So yeah, I say we take it at face value for now and then await the facts in the interim. Especially given that our intelligence agencies agree on the allegations. (Besides, the Raging Cheeto will tweet about it tomorrow immediately following his briefing).
A large number of congress members were briefed on this situation today, (from both sides of the aisle), and they all agree with the conclusions drawn by the Intelligence Agencies. Not one member briefed disagreed. Not. One.
Quote from: Palehorse on January 05, 2017, 06:49:58 PM
A large number of congress members were briefed on this situation today, (from both sides of the aisle), and they all agree with the conclusions drawn by the Intelligence Agencies. Not one member briefed disagreed. Not. One.
Don't go letting facts get in the way of anyone's unfounded opinion. They're entitled to it after all. </sarcasm> :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on January 05, 2017, 06:55:55 PM
Don't go letting facts get in the way of anyone's unfounded opinion. They're entitled to it after all. </sarcasm> :rolleyes:
Pesky things, those facts. . .
It's also pretty clear that a large number of individuals int his nation feel "entitled" to know everything, now.
As I have said numerous times though out my years here; "There are secrets within this nation and its history that would keep most of you up at night. There are things going on that, if you knew about them, would place your very existence into extreme danger. There are things you know nothing about, and want to know nothing about."
Be careful what you demand answers for. There are, and have always been, dealings within the daily existence of any country, that most of its citizens would find intolerable and wrong; however it is the nature of the beast. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few; or the one. (Spock).
Most would die of the stress involved in the dealings of this nation on a daily basis. State secrets belong there.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 05, 2017, 03:20:55 PM
Well if that's the case, then I could reverse this and say the same about you guys NOT trusting government?
My point today is, do we have ANY conclusive evidence that Russia had anything to do with the election? As far as I have learned we have NOT, at least anything that our "intelligence" is willing to share.
Want to bet Dodo, I'll bet you $100 bill that Russia did it and you bet that Russia didn't do it. How about it cheap ass. :haha:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 05, 2017, 03:20:55 PM
Well if that's the case, then I could reverse this and say the same about you guys NOT trusting government?
My point today is, do we have ANY conclusive evidence that Russia had anything to do with the election? As far as I have learned we have NOT, at least anything that our "intelligence" is willing to share.
Quote from: libby on January 05, 2017, 05:33:40 PM
Drat! Nobody consulted me either! But we can be sure Donald Trump will be tweeting his version of :confused: reality.
I spent a good part of my morning listening to BG Clapper, Director of National Intelligence, answer questions during Senate hearings about what is/has been going on, but I finally walked away in disgust because, just as he was very carefully saying as much as he could about covert information, and said several times that he could not comment on information that would be presented "tomorrow," a chirpy MSNBC news talker broke in and began giving HER interpretation of what he was saying. :no:
Want to add that BG Clapper is one of my heroes! When I went to work for the feds, he was the Director of the Agency I worked in.