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More than 92 million Americans who were eligible to vote four years ago didn't cast ballots.  More than enough votes to swing election results it would seem.

That being said, is it ethical to NOT vote?

I have always voted; even when the choices were, as they typically are, the lesser of two or more evils. Voting gives me the right to bitch when I do not like the path we are taking, and the right to cheer when we do. (Still waiting for the moment when the latter happens).

What say ye?

Quote from: Palehorse on October 02, 2016, 07:13:07 PM
More than 92 million Americans who were eligible to vote four years ago didn't cast ballots.  More than enough votes to swing election results it would seem.

That being said, is it ethical to NOT vote?

I have always voted; even when the choices were, as they typically are, the lesser of two or more evils. Voting gives me the right to bitch when I do not like the path we are taking, and the right to cheer when we do. (Still waiting for the moment when the latter happens).

What say ye?

I have always voted. I sometimes feel that my vote will not count or matter but I guess I feel that by voting whether my man or woman wins or loses that I have the right to complain. If I don't vote then I lose that right to complain about the job one does in that office.

I don't know if I would say it is ethical to not vote. It's something I think every citizen should do; that we have a privilege to do and to waste that privilege isn't smart. 

I think the question should be, is it ethical to vote uninformed?  Too many people believe what is on FB or what their neighbor tells them and never fact check.  They don't think for themselves, but follow the crowd.  Research, study, think, debate, vote.  I know some people who vote straight democrat or republican tickets, which I think is stupid.  I've voted for both political candidates depending on what they represent and if I agree with them.  Research is the key to smart voting.  Voting can and will make a difference to our future.

I have missed a few primaries, but in PA they are closed and many times only one candidate is on the ticket.  I have also missed a few minor local elections for the same reason.  One candidate running unopposed. 

What would happen if no one voted in this election and the results were no one chosen?

Quote from: AbbyTC on October 02, 2016, 07:39:57 PM
I don't know if I would say it is ethical to not vote. It's something I think every citizen should do; that we have a privilege to do and to waste that privilege isn't smart. 

I think the question should be, is it ethical to vote uninformed?  Too many people believe what is on FB or what their neighbor tells them and never fact check.  They don't think for themselves, but follow the crowd.  Research, study, think, debate, vote.  I know some people who vote straight democrat or republican tickets, which I think is stupid.  I've voted for both political candidates depending on what they represent and if I agree with them.  Research is the key to smart voting.  Voting can and will make a difference to our future.

I have missed a few primaries, but in PA they are closed and many times only one candidate is on the ticket.  I have also missed a few minor local elections for the same reason.  One candidate running unopposed.

Agree and same here. I have missed a few elections when someone was running unopposed but I agree it is a privilege. In some countries, people have to vote a certain way and I am glad to have the freedom to vote for who I want.

Quote from: Palehorse on October 02, 2016, 07:49:20 PM
What would happen if no one voted in this election and the results were no one chosen?

Interesting question.

Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 02, 2016, 08:15:15 PM
Interesting question.

  Of the four running, I find Hillary the most qualified.  Over the years the Republicans have lied so much about her, they got the dumbasses believing she is crooked and she is not.   :rant:  I am voting straight Democrat, I sure don't want someone worse than George W. Bush,  someone like Donald Trump.  :hogslop:  :yes:

Quote from: The Troll on October 02, 2016, 09:21:34 PM
  Of the four running, I find Hillary the most qualified. 

Hillary is far and away the most qualified person to run for president in a long time.  Only the haters can't/won't see that. 

I don't it is unethical to not vote, but I feel that if you don't vote then you shouldn't complain. I have voted in every election since I was 21 except for one primary. I never vote a straight ticket. I will vote this November, but I'm still haven't made up my mind about the vote for President.

Maybe if no one voted, since there are presidential term limits, the next in line would become President.

Quote from: The Troll on October 02, 2016, 09:21:34 PM
  Of the four running, I find Hillary the most qualified.  Over the years the Republicans have lied so much about her, they got the dumbasses believing she is crooked and she is not.   :rant:  I am voting straight Democrat,  :yes:

Quote from: Locutus on October 03, 2016, 06:32:59 PM
Hillary is far and away the most qualified person to run for president in a long time.  Only the haters can't/won't see that. 

I absolutely agree.

Quote from: Anne on October 03, 2016, 09:56:00 PM
I don't it is unethical to not vote, but I feel that if you don't vote then you shouldn't complain. I have voted in every election since I was 21 except for one primary. I never vote a straight ticket. I will vote this November, but I'm still haven't made up my mind about the vote for President.

Maybe if no one voted, since there are presidential term limits, the next in line would become President.

I don't think it works that way for the next in line.

Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 04, 2016, 08:32:48 AM
I don't think it works that way for the next in line.

I'm not sure it would work that way either, but my thinking is there are term limits for President so whoever was President could not serve beyond the eight years if he/she were in their second term. There aren't term limits for VP or other office holders so maybe the order of succession could work. On the other hand I suppose the President could declare a state of emergency and just keep on being President. I can't imagine no one voting unless there was some terrible disaster and the election was postponed.

Quote from: Anne on October 04, 2016, 05:08:46 PM
I'm not sure it would work that way either, but my thinking is there are term limits for President so whoever was President could not serve beyond the eight years if he/she were in their second term. There aren't term limits for VP or other office holders so maybe the order of succession could work. On the other hand I suppose the President could declare a state of emergency and just keep on being President. I can't imagine no one voting unless there was some terrible disaster and the election was postponed.

Considering that the President is elected by the electoral college which needs to be done away with, I am sure they would find a way to elect someone even without an election, possibly.

Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 04, 2016, 08:46:15 PM
Considering that the President is elected by the electoral college which needs to be done away with, I am sure they would find a way to elect someone even without an election, possibly.

You are probably right, there is always a loophole.

Quote from: Anne on October 03, 2016, 09:56:00 PM
I don't it is unethical to not vote, but I feel that if you don't vote then you shouldn't complain. I have voted in every election since I was 21 except for one primary. I never vote a straight ticket. I will vote this November, but I'm still haven't made up my mind about the vote for President.

Maybe if no one voted, since there are presidential term limits, the next in line would become President.

Yo

  You better think really hard Anne.   :yes:  You surly have some good common sense in that hard head of yours.   :yes:  Really, what kind of government would we have under Donald Trump.    :shrug: :jail: :007:

Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 04, 2016, 08:46:15 PM
Considering that the President is elected by the electoral college which needs to be done away with, I am sure they would find a way to elect someone even without an election, possibly.

  Now this is something I can agree with you completely.   :yes: :yes: :yes:  DO AWAY WITH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.  :yes: :yes: :yes:  Here in Indiana my Democratic vote is never counted in the final total of who get to be president.   :yes: :yes:  Also this is why we get dumbasses like Mike Pence.  My god :preach: :pray: :ghost:, he's such a fool and liar.   :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2:

Quote from: The Troll on October 05, 2016, 05:16:59 PM
 

  Now this is something I can agree with you completely.   :yes: :yes: :yes:  DO AWAY WITH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.  :yes: :yes: :yes:  Here in Indiana my Democratic vote is never counted in the final total of who get to be president.   :yes: :yes:  Also this is why we get dumbasses like Mike Pence.  My god :preach: :pray: :ghost:, he's such a fool and liar.   :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2:

I have always thought the electoral college was rigged and should have been done away. Let's go with the popular vote and be done with it.

Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 05, 2016, 06:23:39 PM
I have always thought the electoral college was rigged and should have been done away. Let's go with the popular vote and be done with it.

  If the electoral college is so good and fair.  :puke:  Why is it that every election seem to depend of Ohio, Florida  and a couple more state gets to decides who wins.   :rant:

Quote from: The Troll on October 05, 2016, 07:52:52 PM
  If the electoral college is so good and fair.  :puke:  Why is it that every election seem to depend of Ohio, Florida  and a couple more state gets to decides who wins.   :rant:

Yep and especially when they announce a winner and the polls haven't even closed in California.

If we had a democracy and everyone's vote counted, you'd expect people to vote.  But when the Electoral college picks a candidate that didn't get the popular vote, we have to admit we don't really have a democracy anymore.....we have an oligarchy.

Quote from: parkerdivine on October 18, 2016, 09:17:10 PM
If we had a democracy and everyone's vote counted, you'd expect people to vote.  But when the Electoral college picks a candidate that didn't get the popular vote, we have to admit we don't really have a democracy anymore.....we have an oligarchy.

  Now you're making sense, Cookie.   :biggrin:  But voting for Burnie, WRONG!  :trustme:

Quote from: The Troll on October 19, 2016, 01:49:21 PM

  Now you're making sense, Cookie.   :biggrin:  But voting for Burnie, WRONG!  :trustme:

No, voting for the criminal family of Clinton is wrong.  They removed Glass Steagal...do you think they won't allow the bankers/investors another bailout? She already said she would bail them out...YUGE signal to go ahead and be reckless.

Quote from: parkerdivine on October 19, 2016, 03:17:03 PM
No, voting for the criminal family of Clinton is wrong.

The right wing whack jobs have already repeated this here about a million times and it still hasn't made it true.   :rolleyes:

Quote from: Exterminator on October 19, 2016, 03:39:29 PM
The right wing whack jobs have already repeated this here about a million times and it still hasn't made it true.   :rolleyes:

Well, the liberal online magazines have shown enough evidence for me to believe it.  AND she lied to Congress, another impeachable offense for which Trey Gowdy is now being attacked for thinking of doing it.

At some point, when you are surrounded by so much crime in connection with your actions, you are guilty.  At least the average person is.

Quote from: parkerdivine on October 19, 2016, 03:41:46 PM
At some point, when you are surrounded by so much crime in connection with your actions, you are guilty.  At least the average person is.

She must be the best criminal in the history of mankind considering they've been hounding her for almost 30 years and spent $500 million on investigations and still haven't managed to come up with anything.

Quote from: Exterminator on October 19, 2016, 03:45:30 PM
She must be the best criminal in the history of mankind considering they've been hounding her for almost 30 years and spent $500 million on investigations and still haven't managed to come up with anything.

No, like Bush whom you showed ended up "losing" emails, she is supported by the mega rich to be ABOVE crime. Vote for Trump..at least we can impeach him. Clinton is controlled and protected by the same world uber rich as Bush was.

http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/reconsidering-the-legacy-of-bill-clinton-when-the-democrats-turned-neoliberal (http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/reconsidering-the-legacy-of-bill-clinton-when-the-democrats-turned-neoliberal)

Quote from: parkerdivine on October 19, 2016, 03:47:40 PM
No, like Bush whom you showed ended up "losing" emails, she is supported by the mega rich to be ABOVE crime. Vote for Trump..at least we can impeach him. Clinton is controlled and protected by the same world uber rich as Bush was.

http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/reconsidering-the-legacy-of-bill-clinton-when-the-democrats-turned-neoliberal (http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/reconsidering-the-legacy-of-bill-clinton-when-the-democrats-turned-neoliberal)

  Cookie, you must have a brain eating bacteria.   :rant:  With Trump winning you're  putting in other Republicans who want to destroy America.  IDIOT!   :dizzy2: :gha:

Quote from: parkerdivine on October 19, 2016, 03:17:03 PM
No, voting for the criminal family of Clinton is wrong.  They removed Glass Steagal...do you think they won't allow the bankers/investors another bailout? She already said she would bail them out...YUGE signal to go ahead and be reckless.

  Get your head out of your ass. :mooning:  George W. Bush bailed out the bankers because he's a Republican.  You got that Dummy.  :doh:

America was NEVER intended to be a pure democracy.  The founders were scared to death of government by the uneducated masses.

If those of you who are against the democratic republic the founders created and the Electoral College, this election should open your eyes and not only give you pause, but scare you to death.

Do you really want people like the Drumpf supporters to have free reign to bypass the fail safe of the Electoral College and directly put unstable, authoritarian, psychopathic, wanna' be banana republic dictators into office?

The entire point of the Electoral College is to prevent such a threat from swaying the masses with propaganda and rhetoric and gaining the keys to power and destroying the country.

I know there are some psychos who don't GAS, but intelligent folks should surely reconsider their position.

BTW, it's hilarious to see that there are psychos who, as they slip deeper into their psychosis with age, become hypocrites and let their true political persuasions out.

Quote from: Y on October 28, 2016, 06:36:27 PM
BTW, it's hilarious to see that there are psychos who, as they slip deeper into their psychosis with age, become hypocrites and let their true political persuasions out.

  BY chance you are not talking about :me:      Henry :chick:   and Anne   :liar2:          :groan:

Quote from: Exterminator on October 19, 2016, 03:45:30 PM
She must be the best criminal in the history of mankind considering they've been hounding her for almost 30 years and spent $500 million on investigations and still haven't managed to come up with anything.

She lied to Congress about her emails. It was Lynch who denied the FBI from pressing charges. Now, I've heard Lynch is on the chopping block, but can't be so sure that's not just a right wing wet dr^*m.

Quote from: Y on October 28, 2016, 06:27:41 PM
America was NEVER intended to be a pure democracy.  The founders were scared to death of government by the uneducated masses.

If those of you who are against the democratic republic the founders created and the Electoral College, this election should open your eyes and not only give you pause, but scare you to death.

Do you really want people like the Drumpf supporters to have free reign to bypass the fail safe of the Electoral College and directly put unstable, authoritarian, psychopathic, wanna' be banana republic dictators into office?

The entire point of the Electoral College is to prevent such a threat from swaying the masses with propaganda and rhetoric and gaining the keys to power and destroying the country.

I know there are some psychos who don't GAS, but intelligent folks should surely reconsider their position.

So by all accounts, you're content with the rich rigging the elections.  How is that any better than the Trump people?

Quote from: parkerdivine on November 03, 2016, 06:48:59 PM
So by all accounts, you're content with the rich rigging the elections.  How is that any better than the Trump people?

   THE NATIONAL ELECTIONS HAVE NEVER BEEN RIGGED.  Prove it, I want you to prove to me what you have just said.  You can't prove it.  It can't be done.  All I got to say is, you got to be on drugs and smoking to much wacky tobaccy, I hear they grow a lot of it back in the hills and hollarers of coal country.  They sure have and still put out of "illegal moonshine".  :haha:   :choo: :choo: :choo:

Quote from: The Troll on November 03, 2016, 07:12:22 PM

   THE NATIONAL ELECTIONS HAVE NEVER BEEN RIGGED.  Prove it, I want you to prove to me what you have just said.  You can't prove it.  It can't be done.  All I got to say is, you got to be on drugs and smoking to much wacky tobaccy, I hear they grow a lot of it back in the hills and hollarers of coal country.  They sure have and still put out of "illegal moonshine".  :haha:   :choo: :choo: :choo:

Not true. The Electoral College has chosen the president 4 times in the past...and it will choose the person with the least votes this election. Clinton will lose the popular vote and win the presidency..after all, she's been bribed enough.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/presidents-winning-without-popular-vote/ (http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/presidents-winning-without-popular-vote/)

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