I'm supporting Hillary throughout. :yes:
She's far and away the most qualified of any of them.
Quote from: Locutus on March 14, 2016, 07:22:59 PM
I'm supporting Hillary throughout. :yes:
She's far and away the most qualified of any of them.
:spooked:
During a speech last night, she was bragging that the U.S. "didn't lose a single person (http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/hillary-clinton-libya-deaths-220762)" in Libya during her time as secretary of state....
I guess she forgot about....Chris Stevens, OUR Ambassador and three others.
Huh... :rolleyes: , yeah she is qualified to be the POTUS...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 15, 2016, 08:24:28 AM
Huh... :rolleyes: , yeah she is qualified to be the POTUS...
This doesn't even include the people killed in the World Trade Center. (http://www.politifact.com/embassyattacks/) How many Americans were killed in Beirut when Reagan was president? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 15, 2016, 08:45:01 AM
This doesn't even include the people killed in the World Trade Center. (http://www.politifact.com/embassyattacks/) How many Americans were killed in Beirut when Reagan was president? :rolleyes:
Yeah, yeah......typical .... resort to Bush or Reagan, when you don't have an answer.
Let's try to stay current, shall we.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 15, 2016, 08:54:14 AM
Yeah, yeah......typical .... resort to Bush or Reagan, when you don't have an answer.
Let's try to stay current, shall we.
Really?
Now you want to stay current?
Has Mrs. Clinton changed her stand on gun control?
Quote from: Anne on March 15, 2016, 10:35:33 AM
Has Mrs. Clinton changed her stand on gun control?
No, she still says she will "fight for commonsense reforms to keep guns away from terrorists, domestic abusers, and other violent criminals—including comprehensive background checks and closing loopholes that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands."
Quote from: Exterminator on March 15, 2016, 12:34:51 PM
No, she still says she will "fight for commonsense reforms to keep guns away from terrorists, domestic abusers, and other violent criminals—including comprehensive background checks and closing loopholes that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands."
She also says that gun makers have to be held "accountable for the use of their products." :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 15, 2016, 01:14:23 PM
She also says that irresponsible gun makers have to be held "accountable for the use of their products." :rolleyes:
FTFY. :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on March 15, 2016, 01:23:45 PM
FTFY. :wink:
No, she didn't say that, she clearly said... gun makers have to be held "accountable for the use of their products." THAT is dangerous and wrong.
she also was bragging to the fact that.... the U.S. "didn't lose a single person (http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/hillary-clinton-libya-deaths-220762)" in Libya during her time as secretary of state.... :rolleyes:
I guess, what DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE, huh? :rolleyes: (More words by Hillary regarding Benghazi deaths.)
She is the best the dems got.... :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 15, 2016, 02:15:13 PM
No, she didn't say that, she clearly said... gun makers have to be held "accountable for the use of their products." THAT is dangerous and wrong.
Funny; that's not what her own campaign website says. :rolleyes:
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/gun-violence-prevention/
LOL! Locutus beat me to it!
:haha:
:big grin:
Quote from: Locutus on March 15, 2016, 02:20:27 PM
Funny; that's not what her own campaign website says. :rolleyes:
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/gun-violence-prevention/ (https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/gun-violence-prevention/)
Well, that's not what she said in her own words...two days ago.....here is the transcripts (http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2016/03/13/full-rush-transcript-hillary-clinton-partcnn-tv-one-democratic-presidential-town-hall/).....(http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/Smileys3/default/zonelaughing.gif)
Here is what she did say....
"And we've got to crack down on the makers and sellers of guns. They should be held accountable"She said NOTHING about "irresponsible".........flat out didn't say it... :no: (btw, who determines WHO is being irresponsible?)
and I noticed you have nothing to say about her perfect record with Libya....(http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/Smileys3/default/zonelaughing.gif)
Disclaimer...you are forcing me into using these TROLL LIKE ICONS to make my point.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 15, 2016, 03:19:07 PM
Well, that's not what she said in her own words...two days ago.....here is the transcripts (http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2016/03/13/full-rush-transcript-hillary-clinton-partcnn-tv-one-democratic-presidential-town-hall/).....(http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/Smileys3/default/zonelaughing.gif)
Here is what she did say...."And we've got to crack down on the makers and sellers of guns. They should be held accountable"
Geesh! You're as bad as Fux News. :roll eyes:
The comment doesn't sound nearly as bad when you put it in context. Here's the whole thing:
"And we've got to crack down on the makers and sellers of guns. They should be held accountable for the use of their products and exercise more care as to how they end up in the hands of the people who use them."
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 15, 2016, 03:19:07 PM
Disclaimer...you are forcing me into using these TROLL LIKE ICONS to make my point.
:big grin:
Quote from: Locutus on March 15, 2016, 04:05:15 PM
Geesh! You're as bad as Fux News. :roll eyes:
The comment doesn't sound nearly as bad when you put it in context. Here's the whole thing:
"And we've got to crack down on the makers and sellers of guns. They should be held accountable for the use of their products and exercise more care as to how they end up in the hands of the people who use them."
But holding gun makers accountable for nutjobs killing people would be like holding Ford accountable for drunk drivers...........it is more useless regulations...that could potentially shut down American entrepreneurs...just more BS.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 15, 2016, 04:46:21 PM
But holding gun makers accountable for nutjobs killing people would be like holding Ford accountable for drunk drivers...........it is more useless regulations...that could potentially shut down American entrepreneurs...just more BS.
I think you're exaggerating what she's suggesting. She's talking about gun manufacturers and sellers who aren't doing what they're supposed to be doing in ensuring that the guns they're selling don't end up in the hands of people who don't need to have them. That's who she wants to hold accountable.
For the record, unless there is some particularly egregious negligence, or other factors, involved in one of these mass shooting cases, I don't think that gun manufacturers should be held legally liable either.
Hilary's voice is about as annoying as Palins voice is....
Only to people like you who despise her. :razz:
Quote from: Locutus on March 15, 2016, 05:16:25 PM
I think you're exaggerating what she's suggesting. She's talking about gun manufacturers and sellers who aren't doing what they're supposed to be doing in ensuring that the guns they're selling don't end up in the hands of people who don't need to have them. That's who she wants to hold accountable.
For the record, unless there is some particularly egregious negligence, or other factors, involved in one of these mass shooting cases, I don't think that gun manufacturers should be held legally liable either.
I'm obviously not a gun manufacturer but don't they sell their product to retailers who in turn sell the guns to customers? If that is correct exactly how are they supposed to monitor who buys the guns? That should be the vendor's responsibility. Maybe she needs to think about that. What do you gun owners think about more controls? Should it be illegal for someone to give their adult child or grandchild one of their firearms without a background check and informing the government about it? Should it be illegal to own a handgun. I hear that all the time, handguns only use is to kill someone so they should be illegal.
Quote from: Anne on March 15, 2016, 10:07:44 PM
I'm obviously not a gun manufacturer but don't they sell their product to retailers who in turn sell the guns to customers? If that is correct exactly how are they supposed to monitor who buys the guns? That should be the vendor's responsibility.
What recourse is there then for manufacturers who knowingly sell to vendors who do not follow the rules? I am certainly not anti-gun but the real question everyone should be asking on the subject is why should any business be shielded from liability by the government? Do they not trust juries to arrive at the right conclusion or is this simply one more example of big money controlling the legislative process to its benefit?
Quote from: Exterminator on March 16, 2016, 10:33:02 AM
What recourse is there then for manufacturers who knowingly sell to vendors who do not follow the rules? I am certainly not anti-gun but the real question everyone should be asking on the subject is why should any business be shielded from liability by the government? Do they not trust juries to arrive at the right conclusion or is this simply one more example of big money controlling the legislative process to its benefit?
I just don't see how any large manufacturer can know who sells to any particular person, unless, of course, the FBI or some other government agency alerts the manufacturer. With all the laws on the books, surely there is one that would be applicable in that situation. If I were a firearms manufacturer I think I would be very concerned about finding a fair jury. There is so much anti gun rhetoric that it would be almost impossible to seat an impartial jury. People will lie to get on a jury, probably not as often as some do to avoid jury duty, but it does happen.
Quote from: Anne on March 16, 2016, 11:44:16 AM
I just don't see how any large manufacturer can know who sells to any particular person, unless, of course, the FBI or some other government agency alerts the manufacturer. With all the laws on the books, surely there is one that would be applicable in that situation.
Then they should have nothing to worry about in court, ergo, a law specifically shielding them from litigation is unnecessary.
QuoteIf I were a firearms manufacturer I think I would be very concerned about finding a fair jury. There is so much anti gun rhetoric that it would be almost impossible to seat an impartial jury. People will lie to get on a jury, probably not as often as some do to avoid jury duty, but it does happen.
Hogwash. There is every bit as much pro-gun rhetoric as there is anti if not more and we have an appeals process to deal with potential juror bias. There is a lot of anti-smoking rhetoric as well; should tobacco companies have a law protecting them from litigation?
Quote from: Locutus on March 15, 2016, 09:22:32 PM
Only to people like you who despise her. :razz:
And let me be clear about it.........I do, INDEED, despise her.... :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 16, 2016, 12:43:21 PM
And let me be clear about it.........I do, INDEED, despise her.... :yes:
I'm sure she despises people like you as well but hey, way to illustrate those Christian values you're always talking about!
Quote from: Exterminator on March 16, 2016, 12:50:36 PM
I'm sure she despises people like you as well but hey, way to illustrate those Christian values you're always talking about!
Just for the record, where do I talk about Christian values on here? Care to share? You guys like to act like I think I am Billy Graham on here....I think I display more non-Christian values than Christian values on here....and I am good with that.
I'm sure she despises people like me, because we are not gullible enough to think she would be a decent POTUS.....so...yeah. :yes: I 100% despise her.
She is a lifetime, phony, politician, who thinks she has earned her spot into the WH....she hasn't done diddly squat.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 16, 2016, 01:33:46 PM
...she hasn't done diddly squat.
She's done a lot more than you (or I) ever will.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 16, 2016, 02:14:26 PM
She's done a lot more than you (or I) ever will.
So has a whole lot of people, what is your point?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 16, 2016, 02:44:01 PM
So has a whole lot of people, what is your point?
It goes to show how worthless you are Bird Boy. :yes: :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 16, 2016, 02:44:01 PM
So has a whole lot of people, what is your point?
That she can correctly conjugate the verb, "to have"?
Quote from: Exterminator on March 16, 2016, 03:03:56 PM
That she can correctly conjugate the verb, "to have"?
Yeah, she speaks fluently....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaDQ1vIuvZI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaDQ1vIuvZI)
"I don't feel in noways tired!" a great example of how phony she is.... :rolleyes:
Interesting post from Dennis Miller...
Hey, kids. Hillary has 1132 pledged delegates without the super delegates factored in. Sanders has 818 of the same. Hillary has 467 super delegates (given out by the powers that be in the Democratic Party) for a total of 1599 delegates. Sanders has been awarded only 26 super delegates for a total of 844 delegates. Flip the super delegate distribution and she would have 1158, he would have 1285. He would be winning. It's a rigged game over there, young people. They're going to jam her down your throat. Don't take it. Rise up.
You Repugs are having an absolutely Fux News induced coronary over the super delegates.
Dennis Miller should really be commenting on the possibility of a brokered convention, and the real uprising (riots) that Trump tacitly encouraged last night. :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on March 16, 2016, 08:06:21 PM
You Repugs are having an absolutely Fux News induced coronary over the super delegates.
Dennis Miller should really be commenting on the possibility of a brokered convention, and the real uprising (riots) that Trump tacitly encouraged last night. :wink:
What I find interesting is the fact that they carp about something that has zero impact upon their own party. If their candidate(s) are so strong and their numbers so overwhelming, what difference does it make who will be running against them in the first place?
I think they're just addicted to crying. . .
Wow.....
Wow what?
Unbelievable how you guys can ALWAYS turn the subject into an argument.
And have to get nasty to boot...
If you think there is nothing odd about super delegates...then I apologize for putting this on here.... I honestly believe it to be nothing short of crooked and many of you are good with it.
I am befuddled
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 16, 2016, 08:51:51 PM
And have to get nasty to boot...
I didn't think my comment was nasty. :confused:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 16, 2016, 12:05:34 PM
Then they should have nothing to worry about in court, ergo, a law specifically shielding them from litigation is unnecessary.
Hogwash. There is every bit as much pro-gun rhetoric as there is anti if not more and we have an appeals process to deal with potential juror bias. There is a lot of anti-smoking rhetoric as well; should tobacco companies have a law protecting them from litigation?
I thought we were talking about more laws concerning firearms manufacturers, tobacco is an apples/eggs comparison. I never said they should be completely immune to prosecution. If they sell firearms directly to terrorists or gun runners,etc., then of course they should be prosecuted. I doubt Mrs. Clinton is considering a law to protect firearms manufacturers from all prosecution, more likely a law to limit what you can have.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 15, 2016, 09:14:17 PM
Hilary's voice is about as annoying as Palins voice is....
Quote from: Locutus on March 15, 2016, 09:22:32 PM
Only to people like you who despise her. :razz:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 16, 2016, 03:48:21 PM
Yeah, she speaks fluently....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaDQ1vIuvZI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaDQ1vIuvZI)
“I don’t feel in noways tired!”
a great example of how phony she is.... :rolleyes:
Nah. It's an example of "slipping into the vernacular," sometimes intentional, sometimes not. I do it unintentionally: my son once said to me, "Mom, when you git tard you lapse into hillbilly." :smile:
Quote from: libby on March 17, 2016, 12:28:42 AM
Nah. It's an example of "slipping into the vernacular," sometimes intentional, sometimes not. I do it unintentionally: my son once said to me, "Mom, when you git tard you lapse into hillbilly." :smile:
Sorry Libby, THAT was no accident........she was trying to "fit in" with that group of people, and she honestly believed she was "just being" one of them. She is a storybook politician, who has had her eyes on the White House since she was first lady of Arkansas.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 17, 2016, 07:05:25 AM
Sorry Libby, THAT was no accident........she was trying to "fit in" with that group of people, and she honestly believed she was "just being" one of them. She is a storybook politician, who has had her eyes on the White House since she was first lady of Arkansas.
Uh, HH, Slipping into the vernacular is something educated people do when they go back home or when they're among friends anywhere. It's like saying, "Hidy, y'all, I'm back." Arkansas was home to Hillary Clinton for a long time. And yes, she's been preparing, consciously or not, for the job she's applying for now. As for her voice, I also don't like the way she sounds when she tries to make herself heard above the noise. Women's voices are like that. We are the quiet gentle sex and yelling does not come naturally to us. :biggrin:
P.S. Watching, listening to Donald Trump brings out a part of me that most people don't know about. :mad: :rant: :eek: :icon_evil: :icon_twisted: :spooked:
Quote from: libby on March 17, 2016, 11:53:48 AM
Uh, HH, Slipping into the vernacular is something educated people do when they go back home or when they're among friends anywhere. It's like saying, "Hidy, y'all, I'm back." Arkansas was home to Hillary Clinton for a long time.
Sorry, not buying it... :no:
I'm sure she just got caught up in the moment, but it is part of her demeanor that makes her think she is fooling other people....she didn't fool very many.
For me, she is TOO much like a "polished" politician....and I cannot trust her.
That is why most polls has her as not-trustworthy........this is just another reason as to why.
We are simply encouraging you to mind your own business! :biggrin:
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Hillary Clinton has served as secretary of state, senator from New York, first lady of the United States, first lady of Arkansas, a practicing
lawyer and law professor, activist, and volunteer—but the first thing her friends and family will tell you is that she's never forgotten where she came from or who she's been fighting for.
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Hillary grew up in a middle-class home in Park Ridge, a suburb of Chicago. Her dad, Hugh, was a World War II Navy veteran and a small-business owner who designed, printed, and sold drapes. Hillary helped with the family business whenever she could.
Hugh was a rock-ribbed Republican, a pay-as-you-go kind of guy who worked hard and wasted nothing.
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Hillary's mother, Dorothy, had a tough childhood. She was abandoned by her parents as a young child and shipped off to live with relatives who didn't want to raise her.
By age 14, Dorothy knew the only way she'd get by was to support herself, and she started working as a housekeeper and babysitter while she went to high school. Her mother's experience inspired Hillary to fight for the needs of children everywhere.
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Hillary's childhood was very different from her mother's. Her parents built a stable middle-class life. Hillary attended public school and was a Brownie and a Girl Scout. She was raised a Methodist, and her mother taught Sunday school. On a trip to Chicago with her youth ministry, Hillary got to see Martin Luther King Jr. speak—this sparked her lifelong passion for social justice.
After graduating high school, Hillary attended Wellesley College, where she became more involved with social justice activism. By the time she graduated, Hillary had become a prominent student leader—she was elected by her peers to be the first-ever student speaker at Wellesley's commencement ceremony.
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After college, Hillary enrolled in Yale Law School, where she was one of just 27 women in her graduating class. While attending Yale, Hillary began dating one of her classmates, Bill Clinton.
After law school, Hillary didn't join a big law firm in Washington or New York. Instead, she went to work for the Children's Defense Fund, going door-to-door in New Bedford, Massachusetts, gathering stories about the lack of schooling for children with disabilities. These testimonials contributed to the passage of historic legislation that required the state to provide quality education for students with disabilities.
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This commitment to public service and fighting for others—especially children and families—has stayed with her throughout her life.
After serving as a lawyer for the congressional committee investigating President Nixon, she moved to Arkansas where she taught law and ran legal clinics representing disenfranchised people. She co-founded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, one of the state's first child advocacy groups.
On October 11, 1975, she married Bill in a small ceremony in Fayetteville, Arkansas.
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As first lady of Arkansas, she was a forceful champion for improving educational standards and health care access.
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And she and Bill started their own family when their daughter, Chelsea, was born in 1980.
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Bill was first elected president in 1992 and re-elected in 1996.
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As first lady, Hillary tenaciously led the fight to reform our health care system so that all families would have access to the care they need at affordable prices. When the insurance companies and other special interests defeated that effort, Hillary didn't give up. She worked with Republicans and Democrats to help create the successful Children's Health Insurance Program, which provides health coverage to more than 8 million children and has helped cut the uninsured rate for children in half.
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In 1995, Hillary led the U.S. delegation to Beijing to attend the U.N. Fourth World Conference on Women, despite being told by some officials not to go. She gave a groundbreaking speech, declaring that "human rights are women's rights, and women's rights are human rights once and for all"—inspiring women around the world.
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In 2000, Hillary was elected to the U.S. Senate.
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After the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Hillary pushed the Bush administration to secure $20 billion to rebuild New York and fought to provide health care for responders who were at Ground Zero. Hillary worked across the aisle to expand TRICARE, giving members of the Reserves and National Guard and their families better access to health care.
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When Congress wouldn't do enough for rural areas and small towns, Hillary didn't back down. She launched an innovative partnership in New York with eBay and local colleges to provide small businesses with tech support, microloans, and training programs to sell their goods online. She helped expand broadband to remote areas of the state, and she launched Farm-to-Fork, an initiative to help New York farmers and producers sell their products to New York's restaurants, schools, colleges, and universities.
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In 2008, Hillary ran for president.
When she came up short, she gave a powerful speech thanking her supporters and threw her support behind then-Senator Barack Obama. She campaigned hard to make sure there was a Democrat in the White House.
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And when President Obama asked Hillary to serve as his secretary of state, she put aside their hard-fought campaign and answered the call to public service once again.
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After eight years of Bush foreign policy, Hillary was instrumental in the effort to restore America's standing in the world. Even former Republican Secretary of State Henry Kissinger said she "ran the State Department in the most effective way that I've ever seen."
She built a coalition for tough new sanctions against Iran that brought them to the negotiating table and she brokered a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas that ended a war and protected Israel's security. She was a forceful champion for human rights, internet freedom, and rights and opportunities for women and girls, LGBT people, and young people all around the globe.
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In 2014, Hillary took on a new role—grandmother to Charlotte Clinton Mezvinsky—and she couldn't be prouder or happier.
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This is just a campaign piece, nothing but goody two shoes propaganda. Says nothing about her judgement or her truthfulness.
Quote from: Anne on March 17, 2016, 05:49:25 PM
This is just a campaign piece, nothing but goody two shoes propaganda. Says nothing about her judgement or her truthfulness.
Is not an individuals assessment of anothers judgement and truthfulness simply invalidated opinion?
Quote from: Anne on March 17, 2016, 05:49:25 PM
This is just a campaign piece, nothing but goody two shoes propaganda. Says nothing about her judgement or her truthfulness.
Anne, truthfulness? You were lying to us just a few years ago. :yes: Saying you were not a Republican. :haha: Then you said that Bill Clinton got a blow job in you house, the White House. :haha: By a poor innocent little girl, who had sex and gave a blow job to her college professor. :haha: Come on Anne, cut the bullshit. :wink: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rolleyes:
Quote from: Anne on March 17, 2016, 05:49:25 PM
This is just a campaign piece, nothing but goody two shoes propaganda. Says nothing about her judgement or her truthfulness.
It's an autobiography, Anne. I found it on google. Out there to be challenged if anyone has a problem with it. As for her judgment and truthfulness, that is a matter of opinion, especially where judgment is concerned. If you think she's a liar, how about some examples. I for one think she is the epitome of grace under pressure (think Monica Lewinski).
If Hillary used only one server, her private one, during her term as Secretary of State how could she not have recieved or sent any classified messages on that server?
Quote from: me on March 18, 2016, 09:45:29 AM
If Hillary used only one server, her private one, during her term as Secretary of State how could she not have recieved or sent any classified messages on that server?
:deadhorse:
Quote from: me on March 18, 2016, 09:45:29 AM
If Hillary used only one server, her private one, during her term as Secretary of State how could she not have recieved or sent any classified messages on that server?
Well, for starters, how would you or anyone else not cleared at the appropriate level know anything at all about how she sent and received messages, and whether or not they were classified? Anybody can speculate. :sneaky:
Quote from: libby on March 18, 2016, 03:56:47 PM
Anybody can speculate. :sneaky:
We all know she's an absolute expert on unfounded speculation. :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on March 18, 2016, 04:38:42 PM
We all know she's an absolute expert on unfounded speculation. :wink:
She also thinks that Walmart is a good place to work. :rotfl: :whip: :groan:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 17, 2016, 07:56:31 PM
Is not an individuals assessment of anothers judgement and truthfulness simply invalidated opinion?
But it doesn't give any assessment of either, it is nothing more than a highly edited biography.
Quote from: libby on March 17, 2016, 11:58:44 PM
It's an autobiography, Anne. I found it on google. Out there to be challenged if anyone has a problem with it. As for her judgment and truthfulness, that is a matter of opinion, especially where judgment is concerned. If you think she's a liar, how about some examples. I for one think she is the epitome of grace under pressure (think Monica Lewinski).
I didn't tell those families it was caused by a video, I'm not a little stand by my man woman, I wouldn't put up with a man who did that (referring to Mr. Clinton's exploits). Lie and judgement. What choice did she have during the Lewinski fiasco, especially when it was common knowledge she wanted to run for President.
Quote from: Anne on March 18, 2016, 07:48:06 PM
I didn't tell those families it was caused by a video....
I don't think Secretary Clinton told them it was caused by a video either. While the initial theory may have been that it was related to the video, that story quickly changed, even from the administration. If you recall - and I'm not sure you were on during that time period - there were riots spreading in the Middle East in response to a film about Islam when the attack on the embassy happened.
We had a thread discussing it somewhere around here. Maybe I'll try and find it later.
Quote from: Locutus on March 18, 2016, 07:53:40 PM
I don't think Secretary Clinton told them it was caused by a video either. While the initial theory may have been that it was related to the video, that story quickly changed, even from the administration. If you recall - and I'm not sure you were on during that time period - there were riots spreading in the Middle East in response to a film about Islam when the attack on the embassy happened.
We had a thread discussing it somewhere around here. Maybe I'll try and find it later.
I was on here then and I remember the discussion. It was several days before the administration changed their opinion. So you believe that all of the families she spoke to are lying about what she said to them.
Quote from: Anne on March 18, 2016, 08:00:50 PM
I was on here then and I remember the discussion. It was several days before the administration changed their opinion. So you believe that all of the families she spoke to are lying about what she said to them.
I haven't seen what any of the families have said about those events, so I can't speak to that. Do you have a link?
Quote from: Anne on March 18, 2016, 07:36:51 PM
But it doesn't give any assessment of either, it is nothing more than a highly edited biography.
It is an account of someones life written by someone else. The writer chooses the content, not the reader.
Quote from: Anne on March 18, 2016, 08:00:50 PM
I was on here then and I remember the discussion. It was several days before the administration changed their opinion. So you believe that all of the families she spoke to are lying about what she said to them.
A clear picture of whether there had been protests in Benghazi didn't come together until Sept. 15, a day after Clinton met with the families, according to multiple Senate investigation reports. That is a fact.
One of the things that has come of this witch hunt initiative surrounding Hillary's e-mail is the fact she e-mailed her daughter, Chelsea, that night, telling her the attack seemed to have been committed by an al-Qaida-like group. At the time Ansar al-Sharia, an al-Qaida affiliated group, took responsibility for the attack; which they subsequently retracted later.
The New York Times wrote the day of the attack that information available to the White House at the time suggested there were protests in Benghazi spurred by those in Cairo, and Islamic extremists took advantage of the situation and began the attack. (Subsequently proven false surrounding protests having taken place).
There are as many family members stating Hillary never mentioned any video within their private, unrecorded/documented meetings with her; emotionally charged meetings within which the bereaved were sobbing and understandably upset. It is categorically proven fact that human beings under great duress are highly unreliable witnesses surrounding the recollection of events and statements transpiring during such periods.
You really need to get a grip and recalibrate yourself surrounding fact and propaganda driven conjecture; the latter being the basis for all of this flotsam surrounding Hillary Clinton and Benghazi. Law enforcement have stated several times that the e-mail investigation(s) have nothing to do with Clinton, and she is suspected of absolutely no wrong doing. Yet, we find the voracious political piggies slopping the troughs of ignorance and the emotionally weak piglets lapping it up. Moreover, we have had at least one member of that group doing the slopping making a public admission that all of this has been (is) nothing more than an elaborate effort to discredit Clinton and undermine her candidacy for POTUS.
Bottom line, Benghazi was a tragedy and murder of Americans on American soil, committed by terrorists. Clinton had nothing to do with it, but the result has been that the GOP has written it into their vast book of dirty tricks with which to slander and sully the reputation of a qualified candidate for the office of POTUS, because they fear another 4-8 year exile from the helm of this nation.
http://www.state.gov/secretary/20092013clinton/rm/2012/09/197780.htm (http://www.state.gov/secretary/20092013clinton/rm/2012/09/197780.htm)
3 days post the attack, Clinton made remarks at the Transfer of remains of the victims of the Benghazi attack at Andrews AFB 14SEPT2012. She stated, (in part):
. . .In the days since the attack, so many Libyans – including the Ambassador from Libya to the United States, who is with us today – have expressed their sorrow and solidarity. One young woman, her head covered and her eyes haunted with sadness, held up a handwritten sign that said "Thugs and killers don't represent Benghazi nor Islam." The President of the Palestinian Authority, who worked closely with Chris when he served in Jerusalem, sent me a letter remembering his energy and integrity, and deploring – and I quote – "an act of ugly terror." Many others from across the Middle East and North Africa have offered similar sentiments.
This has been a difficult week for the State Department and for our country. We've seen the heavy assault on our post in Benghazi that took the lives of those brave men. We've seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with. It is hard for the American people to make sense of that because it is senseless, and it is totally unacceptable. . .Present that day were the Chaplain, the President, the Vice President, Secretary Panetta, Ambassador Rice, Secretary Powell and Mrs. Powell, family members of the four victims, and members of the State Department family.
Again, an emotionally charged environment within which the bereaved are in shock and emotionally unstable; perhaps even medicated. Within the statement Clinton mentions said video as a example of the violence being directed toward this nation world-wide. She makes no inference of it being a cause, but rather a tool being utilized to incite anger and hatred toward this nation around the world. But an emotionally upset individual could easily hear something else entirely, or remember something that was never said.
Whether Clinton met with the families before or after her remarks, the meetings occurred the same day as her statement was made at the transfer of remains. Seems fairly clear to me that these claims are simply nothing more than false recollections conceived under duress.
Great post PH! :yes:
I could accept that if it were just one family, but not more.
That bastard!
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Yep, I lost $63,000 in my retirement account under George W. Bush and the Republican party. :yes: :mad: Since Obama and the Democrats have been in, I have got my money back and a little more. :yes: :biggrin: Sure do love Obama and the Democrats. O0 :love3: :bliss: :bliss: :trustme:
Quote from: The Troll on March 21, 2016, 08:18:48 PM
Yep, I lost $63,000 in my retirement account under George W. Bush and the Republican party. :yes: :mad: Since Obama and the Democrats have been in, I have got my money back and a little more. :yes: :biggrin: Sure do love Obama and the Democrats. O0 :love3: :bliss: :bliss: :trustme:
Same here, Troll!