Not knowing very much about this controversial subject, I met a friend for dinner last evening in the city of Chicago. We met at his gallery wherein I picked up some artwork I had previously arranged for, and decided to have dinner.
Along the way to our dinner reservation, I began noting rather large groups of African Americans that were chanting "16 Shots". I asked my friend what the hell that was about, and he filled me in. And while we were eating dinner I got the history behind the 2014 incident from him. I began to think this was going to turn into a big mistake for me. . .
Afterwards I dropped him off at his home nearby, and despite the fact I was very near the on ramp for the southern interstate route that would take me home, I drove about 30 miles west in order to avoid taking the interstate route south and through the south side neighborhoods that are heavily populated by individuals of color. . .
I've NEVER done this in my life until last night. I had encountered very large and boisterous crowds of people that were clearly angry, and given what has transpired in this country previously during such incidents, I felt it prudent to take the long way home, rather than risk becoming an innocent victim to what appears to be yet another police action shooting that is going to turn into social violence. . .
Indiana has a concealed carry licensing program and I am licensed to carry a firearm in this state. Illinois is one of a handful of states that do not honor Indiana's licensing program, so I was forced to put my firearm into a small vault I have permanently mounted inside while in that state. But you can bet your ass that just as soon as I crossed the state line into Indiana I pulled over and got it back out.
I got some hard looks from some of the vehicles that passed me on the TriState tollway last night, so I got off and took a backroads route East until I crossed the state line. And I took the most direct alternative route available in order to get back into Indiana in an expedited manner.
I find the whole experience infuriating on so many levels it is impossible to digest right now. . .
Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
They released the video on this yesterday. It doesn't appear that the kid did anything to warrant being shot. I also couldn't tell from the "raw" video that I was supposedly watching that he was shot 16 times either.
Based upon the 21 second video, it appears as if the cop is on the wrong...........BUT, with that being said, there are two sides to every story and sometimes, things are not always exactly as the seem.
Lesson learned from Ferguson, Trayvon Martin, Cambridge Police...........the media always has its way of being the judge, jury and executioner...before they understand the REAL facts.
So, I will wait and let more evidence present itself.
I do find it hard to accept that it would take a cop 16 shots! to bring down ANYONE, let alone one teenager..........if he IS guilty as it seems, then he should get what is coming to him.
Btw Palehorse, I think you did the right thing by taking the long route, to ensure safety. Better safe than sorry. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on November 25, 2015, 11:59:00 AM
They released the video on this yesterday. It doesn't appear that the kid did anything to warrant being shot. I also couldn't tell from the "raw" video that I was supposedly watching that he was shot 16 times either.
The autopsy detail that I saw yesterday listed at least 16 bullet wounds. . . But I am trying to understand how 1 LEO can fire 16 times without reloading. Unless he was carrying a hi-capacity magazine which last I knew were NOT allowed per CPD policy, except for SWAT armaments.
I have a 9mm Browning Hi-Power that carries 13 rounds in the mag. I also have some hi-capcity mags for it as well. (30 round). I cannot imagine a LEO carrying such though. Moreover, the descriptions I heard said he was alone during the shooting, but the film clearly shows he was surrounded by law enforcement for the most part.
Which begs the questions:
1. Did the single officer fire himself, or did others fire also?
2. If others did not fire, why did they stand by and allow this guy to turn this suspect into swiss cheese?
3. Why did no one even attempt non-lethal methods to subdue the suspect? (Tazer)
I agree that it is nearly impossible to see all 16 of the impacts, however, once the guy goes down you can see the vaporized blood leave his body on impact on at least 2-3 additional shots. . .
Given that law enforcement is trained to "group-fire" at targets, it is likely he took at least 2 to 4 rounds before he went down. Possibly more. 1 spun him, and he likely took at least 1 in the back at that time. Then likely 2-4 more before he went down. (And he went down quickly).
https://www.youtube.com/v/1Zz03rvyhIk
Here's the full video for those that have not seen it.
Yeah, I watched that yesterday. What is the officer kicking away from his hand there toward the end of the video? I can't make it out.
Quote from: Locutus on November 25, 2015, 06:21:29 PM
Yeah, I watched that yesterday. What is the officer kicking away from his hand there toward the end of the video? I can't make it out.
A 3" knife that he was brandishing.
Quote from: Palehorse on November 25, 2015, 02:17:33 PM
The autopsy detail that I saw yesterday listed at least 16 bullet wounds. . . But I am trying to understand how 1 LEO can fire 16 times without reloading. Unless he was carrying a hi-capacity magazine which last I knew were NOT allowed per CPD policy, except for SWAT armaments.
I have a 9mm Browning Hi-Power that carries 13 rounds in the mag. I also have some hi-capcity mags for it as well. (30 round). I cannot imagine a LEO carrying such though. Moreover, the descriptions I heard said he was alone during the shooting, but the film clearly shows he was surrounded by law enforcement for the most part.
Which begs the questions:
1. Did the single officer fire himself, or did others fire also?
2. If others did not fire, why did they stand by and allow this guy to turn this suspect into swiss cheese?
3. Why did no one even attempt non-lethal methods to subdue the suspect? (Tazer)
I agree that it is nearly impossible to see all 16 of the impacts, however, once the guy goes down you can see the vaporized blood leave his body on impact on at least 2-3 additional shots. . .
Given that law enforcement is trained to "group-fire" at targets, it is likely he took at least 2 to 4 rounds before he went down. Possibly more. 1 spun him, and he likely took at least 1 in the back at that time. Then likely 2-4 more before he went down. (And he went down quickly).
You got to say the Killer Cop was a good shot. 16 shots in 16 seconds and none missed. They say the kid took three rounds as he went down and the rest as he laid on the ground. :cowboy:
But what is wrong with this picture. In the last 5 years there was 300 shootings by the Chicago cops and 75 deaths caused by the Chicago cops shootings. I quite sure Horse that you and I plus the other cops standing there could have taken the kid with the 3 inch knife down with Tazers and that special pepper, tear gas that cops have without killing him with 16 cop special P-plus 9mm bullets.
This cop had a record of being half crazy and was still on the force, with the protection of the "Blue Code". You can tell they used the "Blue Code" because it took a year and a court order to release the video tape of the killing. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :rant: