Now can the neocons quit wasting our time and money and get some damn work done already?
...and finally accept that the ACA is the law of the land. :big grin:
Can you just see old Henry -----------> :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :haha:
And the roadblocks to same-sex marriage just fell as well!
Quote from: Exterminator on June 26, 2015, 10:40:20 AM
And the roadblocks to same-sex marriage just fell as well!
Kind of makes RFRA USELESS eh? 😇
The neocons are not having a good week in the high court...seems that pesky Constitution keeps interfering with their agenda! :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on June 26, 2015, 11:57:49 AM
The neocons are not having a good week in the high court...seems that pesky Constitution keeps interfering with their agenda! :biggrin:
;D
WorldNetDaily founder and editor Joseph Farah issued an emergency plea to governors today asking them to consider seceding from the union if the Supreme Court strikes down state bans on same-sex marriage.
"We need a Promised Land. We need an Exodus strategy," Farah wrote. "Are there any governors or legislatures out there among the 50 states willing to secede to offer a refuge for the God-fearing?"
If not, Farah says that foreign nations that prohibit same-sex marriage should prepare for "a pilgrimage by millions of Americans" fleeing marriage equality.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/conservative-pundit-millions-will-flee-america-demand-secession-over-gay-marriage
I say get the fuck out and don't let the door slam you in the ass in the process. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on June 26, 2015, 05:14:39 PM
I say get the fuck out and don't let the door slam you in the ass in the process. :rolleyes:
If this country was divided in half, one side liberal, one side conservative.....the liberal side would be screwed in a few short years. Just my critically applied logic being utilized to derive upon this claim.
Very doubtful.
I'm still wondering, since they keep calling it a constitutional right, just exactly where in the constitution that right is addressed. Was there an amendment I missed or something? I mean, I could care less but it keeps being referred to as a constitutional right.
Quote from: me on June 27, 2015, 01:19:37 AM
I'm still wondering, since they keep calling it a constitutional right, just exactly where in the constitution that right is addressed. Was there an amendment I missed or something? I mean, I could care less but it keeps being referred to as a constitutional right.
The 14th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America. (For starters)
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.Then there is:
The Fifth Amendment creates a number of rights relevant to both criminal and civil legal proceedings. In criminal cases, the Fifth Amendment guarantees the right to a grand jury, forbids "double jeopardy," and protects against self-incrimination. It also requires that "due process of law" be part of any proceeding that denies a citizen "life, liberty or property" and requires the government to compensate citizens when it takes private property for public use.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 27, 2015, 08:08:22 AM
The 14th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America. (For starters)
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Then there is:
The Fifth Amendment creates a number of rights relevant to both criminal and civil legal proceedings. In criminal cases, the Fifth Amendment guarantees the right to a grand jury, forbids "double jeopardy," and protects against self-incrimination. It also requires that "due process of law" be part of any proceeding that denies a citizen "life, liberty or property" and requires the government to compensate citizens when it takes private property for public use.
And that has what to do with either ACA or same sex marriage?
Quote from: me on June 27, 2015, 11:41:24 AM
And that has what to do with either ACA or same sex marriage?
. . ."life, liberty, property". . .
Quote from: Palehorse on June 27, 2015, 02:50:28 PM
. . ."life, liberty, property". . .
Wow, that's a stretch for sure to include either the ACA or gay marriage.
Do we need to give you a dictionary so that you can look up the definition of liberty? Then after you do that, perhaps you can see how that relates to the gay marriage issue. :rolleyes:
I am afraid it would take much more than that to get her to understand. . . :rolleyes:
You're probably right.
Let's not forget the whole "equal protection under the law" thingy either.
Quote from: Locutus on June 27, 2015, 07:14:19 PM
Do we need to give you a dictionary so that you can look up the definition of liberty? Then after you do that, perhaps you can see how that relates to the gay marriage issue. :rolleyes:
But it could also stand for a multitude of things depending on how you interpret it. If you would think about it that should also protect the people who do not want to cater the wedding of a same sex couple because their rights and beliefs are being infringed upon by being forced to do so or be sued for everything they have. Have they not lost the liberty of freedom of choice? Then there is the loss of the liberty of freedom of choice to those who choose not to sign up for the ACA because if the don't they are fined/taxed for not doing so.
Clueless. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on June 28, 2015, 12:51:05 PM
Clueless. :rolleyes:
No, not clueless just realistic. Those interpretations do not, or shouldn't, just include that which you believe but, as I said, could stand for a multitude of things when using the term liberty so loosley.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 26, 2015, 09:07:52 PM
If this country was divided in half, one side liberal, one side conservative.....the liberal side would be screwed in a few short years. Just my critically applied logic being utilized to derive upon this claim.
Please be more specific about the elements you included in your, "critically applied logic," to come to this inane conclusion. I'm sure it'll be great for a laugh.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 28, 2015, 03:49:42 PM
Please be more specific about the elements you included in your, "critically applied logic," to come to this inane conclusion. I'm sure it'll be great for a laugh.
I did and if you can't figure it out that's your problem. When this stupid crap starts infringing on your rights maybe you'll understand. You just stay inside your little box if it makes you feel better.
Quote from: me on June 28, 2015, 09:10:20 PM
I did and if you can't figure it out that's your problem.
I was responding to a post from Henry; try to keep up.
QuoteYou just stay inside your little box if it makes you feel better.
This is pretty funny coming from someone with almost
no real exposure to the world outside of Andertucky.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 29, 2015, 07:30:37 AM
This is pretty funny coming from someone with almost no real exposure to the world outside of Andertucky.
I was born in another state, raised in a different city in this state, and have been to almost every state, lived in a different one for a time, and two places outside the U S. Guess you don't know all you think you do huh?
Quote from: me on June 29, 2015, 12:02:58 PM
I was born in another state, raised in a different city in this state, and have been to almost every state, lived in a different one for a time, and two places outside the U S. Guess you don't know all you think you do huh?
Bullshit. You know, when you tell the truth, you don't have to remember what you said the last time a subject came up. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on June 29, 2015, 12:21:35 PM
Bullshit. You know, when you tell the truth, you don't have to remember what you said the last time a subject came up. :rolleyes:
Oh, so not you're calling me a liar? Well, stuff it smart ass. Strange the way when H H or I have a valid point you always turn it into a personal attack.
Quote from: me on June 29, 2015, 01:26:11 PM
Oh, so not you're calling me a liar?
I think that's fairly well established.
QuoteWell, stuff it smart ass. Strange the way when H H or I have a valid point you always turn it into a personal attack.
So personal attacks are ok for you but not anyone else?
Quote from: Exterminator on June 29, 2015, 01:29:54 PM
I think that's fairly well established.
Only in your small mind.
So personal attacks are ok for you but not anyone else?
I do not use personal attacks like you do to deflect from a topic and you know it. If I do one it's in self defense and warranted. You seem to be the one with the grade school mentality here.
Quote from: me on June 29, 2015, 02:47:09 PM
Only in your small mind.
Uh, yeah, not so much. You have been caught here on numerous occasions not only propagating false information but defending and continuing to post it even after it has been proven to you that it is 100% a lie. I'm pretty sure that almost everyone on this forum will agree with me in saying that when the choice is between the truth and supporting your warped ideology, you will shove the truth under the bus every single time.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 29, 2015, 03:29:20 PM
Uh, yeah, not so much. You have been caught here on numerous occasions not only propagating false information but defending and continuing to post it even after it has been proven to you that it is 100% a lie. I'm pretty sure that almost everyone on this forum will agree with me in saying that when the choice is between the truth and supporting your warped ideology, you will shove the truth under the bus every single time.
IMO the warped idiology is yours. Differences of opinion do not mean lies it just means differences of opinion or sources from which we arrive at a given opinion. You do the very thing you accues HH and me of, look for sources that only support your opinion and, to you, all others are lies. You may be the most kind giving person someone could ask for outside the confines of this forum but here you come across as hateful, mean spirited, and small minded.
Quote from: me on June 29, 2015, 04:21:11 PM
Differences of opinion do not mean lies it just means differences of opinion or sources from which we arrive at a given opinion.
When you use false information to support those opinions, you are lying.
QuoteYou do the very thing you accues HH and me of, look for sources that only support your opinion and, to you, all others are lies.
That is absolutely false. I actively look for sources that can refute my conclusions.
QuoteYou may be the most kind giving person someone could ask for outside the confines of this forum but here you come across as hateful, mean spirited, and small minded.
Were you looking into a mirror when you typed this?
Quote from: Exterminator on June 25, 2015, 10:16:40 AM
Now can the neocons quit wasting our time and money and get some damn work done already?
"HAH!"(TM)
That's not going to happen! :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on June 26, 2015, 05:14:19 PM
WorldNetDaily founder and editor Joseph Farah issued an emergency plea to governors today asking them to consider seceding from the union if the Supreme Court strikes down state bans on same-sex marriage.
"We need a Promised Land. We need an Exodus strategy," Farah wrote. "Are there any governors or legislatures out there among the 50 states willing to secede to offer a refuge for the God-fearing?"
If not, Farah says that foreign nations that prohibit same-sex marriage should prepare for "a pilgrimage by millions of Americans" fleeing marriage equality.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/conservative-pundit-millions-will-flee-america-demand-secession-over-gay-marriage
Farah's a real nutcase and an idiot. The Civil War ended all discussion concerning secession.
One other thing...it's a REAL shame he's not taking his own advice and fleeing America himself. America will be FAR better off without him.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 26, 2015, 09:07:52 PM
If this country was divided in half, one side liberal, one side conservative.....the liberal side would be screwed in a few short years. Just my critically applied logic being utilized to derive upon this claim.
Now you know that's BS. We've all seen the Red/Blue maps that disprove it.
So much for your "critically applied logic".
Quote from: me on June 28, 2015, 01:54:56 PM
No, not clueless just realistic. Those interpretations do not, or shouldn't, just include that which you believe but, as I said, could stand for a multitude of things when using the term liberty so loosley.
Clueless is being polite.
People have the right to enter into contracts. Marriage is a legal contract. There are only two things forbidding the entry into a contract, legal age and sound mind. All that is set by l-o-n-g legal precedent. Sexual orientation isn't a forbidding factor.
Quote from: me on June 27, 2015, 05:27:47 PM
Wow, that's a stretch for sure to include either the ACA or gay marriage.
Nope! Incorrect.
I've already explained about marriage, now I'll have to explain the AHCA.
How the SCOTUS based their ruling is that AHCA is a tax. IF you'd ever read the Constitution, you'd know it's explicit in the granting of the power of taxation to Congress.
Quote from: Y on June 30, 2015, 10:38:16 PM
Nope! Incorrect.
I've already explained about marriage, now I'll have to explain the AHCA.
How the SCOTUS based their ruling is that AHCA is a tax. IF you'd ever read the Constitution, you'd know it's explicit in the granting of the power of taxation to Congress.
It is forcing people to get something or pay a penalty period.
Oh gee! Just like a driver's license or plates etc.. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Y on July 08, 2015, 04:58:11 PM
Oh gee! Just like a driver's license or plates etc.. :rolleyes:
Apples to oranges.
Just think that if the Republicans win the presidency, they will probably get to pick 3 to 4 people for the Supreme Court. :puke: If this happens it will be the end of the middle class and the absolute take over by the super rich and the corporations. :rant:
If there might be a guy in the sky, may he bless and keep the America that we once knew, alive and well. :flag: :salute: :4th3:
Quote from: me on July 08, 2015, 11:10:16 PM
Apples to oranges.
Oh really? Pray tell us how it's different.
Quote from: Y on July 09, 2015, 04:45:01 PM
Oh really? Pray tell us how it's different.
License plates prove ownership of the vehicle along with the registration and drivers license also serve as an ID which you should have if you don't drive. If you can't afford either of those you don't have to purchase them if you don't drive or get a free ID. If you can't afford the insurance, which some people still can't, you still have to pay the penalty and forfeit some of your tax return money, if you have any coming back, through the IRS which has no business, IMO, being involved in it in any way.
Everyone will use the health care system at some point in his/her life. Should the rest of us have to pay for those people who choose not to have health insurance?
Quote from: Exterminator on July 10, 2015, 08:01:00 AM
Everyone will use the health care system at some point in his/her life. Should the rest of us have to pay for those people who choose not to have health insurance?
There is a difference between choosing not to have it and not being able to afford it.
Quote from: me on July 10, 2015, 08:26:00 AM
There is a difference between choosing not to have it and not being able to afford it.
Which is precisely why there are subsidies available for those who truly can't afford it and why those who can afford it but
choose not to get it will be fined.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 10, 2015, 10:38:20 AM
Which is precisely why there are subsidies available for those who truly can't afford it and why those who can afford it but choose not to get it will be fined.
There are those who fall between the cracks and make too much for the subsidies and too little to be able to afford the policy.
Quote from: me on July 10, 2015, 01:33:41 PM
There are those who fall between the cracks and make too much for the subsidies and too little to be able to afford the policy.
For example? How many?
Both my Brother and my BIL, are carpenters for the same company. They lost their insurance because of the law. They had to get Obamacare. They now pay MORE each month for LESS coverage.
They both said they just won't go to the Dr. now. Cannot afford it.
Quote from: Bo D on July 10, 2015, 01:36:18 PM
For example? How many?
Seems to be those who fall into the lower middle income lvl. I'll try to look up numbers sometime this weekend but I have a lot off line going on and don't have time at the moment. Not an excuse, a reason.