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Title: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Locutus on June 20, 2015, 06:58:02 PM
I know we've had several comments through the years about anti-intellectualism and general disdain for facts and evidence by the sub-100 IQ swath of society.  There may even be an existing thread on it somewhere.

This article is on that very topic, and although it was written as a result of the Charleston church shooting, I felt it deserved it's own thread. 

It's an opinion piece, but it's very well written, and the author is spot on. 
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Locutus on June 20, 2015, 07:00:39 PM
Anti-Intellectualism Is Killing America

The tragedy in Charleston last week will no doubt lead to more discussion of several important and recurring issues in American culture—particularly racism and gun violence—but these dialogues are unlikely to bear much fruit until the nation undertakes a serious self-examination. Decrying racism and gun violence is fine, but for too long America's social dysfunction has continued to intensify as the nation has ignored a key underlying pathology: anti-intellectualism.

America is killing itself through its embrace and exaltation of ignorance, and the evidence is all around us. Dylann Roof, the Charleston shooter who used race as a basis for hate and mass murder, is just the latest horrific example. Many will correctly blame Roof's actions on America's culture of racism and gun violence, but it's time to realize that such phenomena are directly tied to the nation's culture of ignorance.

In a country where a sitting congressman told a crowd that evolution and the Big Bang are "lies straight from the pit of hell," where the chairman of a Senate environmental panel brought a snowball into the chamber as evidence that climate change is a hoax, where almost one in three citizens can't name the vice president, it is beyond dispute that critical thinking has been abandoned as a cultural value. Our failure as a society to connect the dots, to see that such anti-intellectualism comes with a huge price, could eventually be our downfall.

In considering the senseless loss of nine lives in Charleston, of course racism jumps out as the main issue. But isn't ignorance at the root of racism? And it's true that the bloodshed is a reflection of America's violent, gun-crazed culture, but it is only our aversion to reason as a society that has allowed violence to define the culture. Rational public policy, including policies that allow reasonable restraints on gun access, simply isn't possible without an informed, engaged, and rationally thinking public.

Some will point out, correctly, that even educated people can still be racists, but this shouldn't remove the spotlight from anti-intellectualism. Yes, even intelligent and educated individuals, often due to cultural and institutional influences, can sometimes carry racist biases. But critically thinking individuals recognize racism as wrong and undesirable, even if they aren't yet able to eliminate every morsel of bias from their own psyches or from social institutions. An anti-intellectual society, however, will have large swaths of people who are motivated by fear, susceptible to tribalism and simplistic explanations, incapable of emotional maturity, and prone to violent solutions. Sound familiar?

And even though it may seem counter-intuitive, anti-intellectualism has little to do with intelligence. We know little about the raw intellectual abilities of Dylann Roof, but we do know that he is an ignorant racist who willfully allowed irrational hatred of an entire demographic to dictate his actions. Whatever his IQ, to some extent he is a product of a culture driven by fear and emotion, not rational thinking, and his actions reflect the paranoid mentality of one who fails to grasp basic notions of what it means to be human.

What Americans rarely acknowledge is that many of their social problems are rooted in the rejection of critical thinking or, conversely, the glorification of the emotional and irrational. What else could explain the hyper-patriotism that has many accepting an outlandish notion that America is far superior to the rest of the world? Love of one's country is fine, but many Americans seem to honestly believe that their country both invented and perfected the idea of freedom, that the quality of life here far surpasses everywhere else in the world.

But it doesn't. International quality of life rankings place America barely in the top ten. America's rates of murder and other violent crime dwarf most of the rest of the developed world, as does its incarceration rate, while its rates of education and scientific literacy are embarrassingly low. American schools, claiming to uphold "traditional values," avoid fact-based sex education, and thus we have the highest rates of teen pregnancy in the industrialized world. And those rates are notably highest where so-called "biblical values" are prominent. Go outside the Bible belt, and the rates generally trend downward.

As this suggests, the impact of fundamentalist religion in driving American anti-intellectualism has been, and continues to be, immense. Old-fashioned notions of sex education may seem like a relatively minor issue to many, but taking old-time religion too seriously can be extremely dangerous in the modern era. High-ranking individuals, even in the military, see a confrontation between good and evil as biblically predicted and therefore inevitable. They relish the thought of being a righteous part of the final days.

Fundamentalist religion is also a major force in denying human-caused climate change, a phenomenon that the scientific community has accepted for years. Interestingly, anti-intellectual fundamentalists are joined in their climate change denial with unusual bedfellows: corporate interests that stand to gain from the rejection of sound science on climate.

Corporate influence on climate and environmental policy, meanwhile, is simply more evidence of anti-intellectualism in action, for corporate domination of American society is another result of a public that is not thinking critically. Americans have allowed their democracy to slip away, their culture overtaken by enormous corporations that effectively control both the governmental apparatus and the media, thus shaping life around materialism and consumption.

Indeed, these corporate interests encourage anti-intellectualism, conditioning Americans into conformity and passive acceptance of institutional dominance. They are the ones who stand to gain from the absurd levels of fear and nationalism that result in militaristic foreign policy and absurdly high levels of military spending. They are the ones who stand to gain from consumers who spend money they don't have on goods and services they don't need. They are the ones who want a public that is largely uninformed and distracted, thus allowing government policy to be crafted by corporate lawyers and lobbyists. They are the ones who stand to gain from a prison-industrial complex that generates the highest rates of incarceration in the developed world. They are the ones who stand to gain from unregulated securities markets.

Americans can and should denounce the racist and gun-crazed culture that shamefully resulted in nine corpses in Charleston this week, but they also need to dig deeper. At the core of all of this dysfunction is an abandonment of reason.


https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/our-humanity-naturally/201506/anti-intellectualism-is-killing-america
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Palehorse on June 20, 2015, 08:31:21 PM
Wow. . . I cannot find a damned thing in that piece I disagree with!

Well written and stated.  :yes:
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Anne on June 21, 2015, 03:46:34 PM
So what is the solution? How exactly do we get people to value education?
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Exterminator on June 22, 2015, 08:30:59 AM
Quote from: Anne on June 21, 2015, 03:46:34 PM
So what is the solution? How exactly do we get people to value education?

We start by teaching them punctuation.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Purplelady1040 on June 22, 2015, 11:13:41 AM
Quote from: Anne on June 21, 2015, 03:46:34 PM
So what is the solution? How exactly do we get people to value education?
Start with back to the basics and quit this common core crap. Schools are too worried about keeping up with the Asians, Europeans or whoever. How about we just try to educate our own kids in subjects in schools and that they understand what it is they are being taught instead of passing them on to the next level!
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: me on June 22, 2015, 01:23:45 PM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on June 22, 2015, 11:13:41 AM
Start with back to the basics and quit this common core crap. Schools are too worried about keeping up with the Asians, Europeans or whoever. How about we just try to educate our own kids in subjects in schools and that they understand what it is they are being taught instead of passing them on to the next level!
Ya can't brain wash them unless you confuse them first.
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Locutus on June 22, 2015, 02:27:06 PM
This is a satirical piece, obviously, but it does tie in nicely with the more serious piece above.

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Scientists: Earth Endangered by New Strain of Fact-Resistant Humans
                                  By Andy Borowitz


MINNEAPOLIS (The Borowitz Report) – Scientists have discovered a powerful new strain of fact-resistant humans who are threatening the ability of Earth to sustain life, a sobering new study reports.

The research, conducted by the University of Minnesota, identifies a virulent strain of humans who are virtually immune to any form of verifiable knowledge, leaving scientists at a loss as to how to combat them.

"These humans appear to have all the faculties necessary to receive and process information," Davis Logsdon, one of the scientists who contributed to the study, said. "And yet, somehow, they have developed defenses that, for all intents and purposes, have rendered those faculties totally inactive."

More worryingly, Logsdon said, "As facts have multiplied, their defenses against those facts have only grown more powerful."

While scientists have no clear understanding of the mechanisms that prevent the fact-resistant humans from absorbing data, they theorize that the strain may have developed the ability to intercept and discard information en route from the auditory nerve to the brain. "The normal functions of human consciousness have been completely nullified," Logsdon said.

While reaffirming the gloomy assessments of the study, Logsdon held out hope that the threat of fact-resistant humans could be mitigated in the future. "Our research is very preliminary, but it's possible that they will become more receptive to facts once they are in an environment without food, water, or oxygen," he said.


Link (http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/scientists-earth-endangered-by-new-strain-of-fact-resistant-humans)

:biggrin:
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Locutus on June 22, 2015, 02:27:25 PM
^^  I think we have at least two of those running around here.  :yes: :razz:
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Henry Hawk on June 22, 2015, 02:53:03 PM
That is the epitome of liberal intellectualism...  :wink:
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Locutus on June 22, 2015, 03:04:18 PM
At least liberals, for the most part, are intellectual.  Conservatives?  Not so much. 

John Stossel's show on Fox last night was a prime example of the exact kind of anti-intellectualism described on the very first post in this thread. 

We debunk more myths on "Science Wars" tonight at 8pm ET on Fox Business."

:rolleyes:
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Henry Hawk on June 22, 2015, 03:30:12 PM
This is PERFECT!!!   ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: me on June 23, 2015, 01:17:56 AM
Quote from: Locutus on June 22, 2015, 03:04:18 PM
At least liberals, for the most part, are intellectual.  Conservatives?  Not so much. 

John Stossel's show on Fox last night was a prime example of the exact kind of anti-intellectualism described on the very first post in this thread. 

We debunk more myths on "Science Wars" tonight at 8pm ET on Fox Business."

:rolleyes:
Stossel is a libertarian.
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Henry Hawk on June 23, 2015, 07:36:08 AM
Quote from: me on June 23, 2015, 01:17:56 AM
Stossel is a libertarian.

and NOT A SNOB...
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Exterminator on June 23, 2015, 08:56:22 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 23, 2015, 07:36:08 AM
and NOT A SNOB...

So now people are snobs because they're smarter and/or better educated than you are?  What's next...people who aren't bald are snobs, too?
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Henry Hawk on June 23, 2015, 09:02:57 AM
Quote from: Exterminator on June 23, 2015, 08:56:22 AM
So now people are snobs because they're smarter and/or better educated than you are?  What's next...people who aren't bald are snobs, too?

Where did I indicate that I thought snobs were smarter that I was? Just the people who THINK they are smarter than I am are SNOBS.  Now go away....
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Exterminator on June 23, 2015, 09:37:11 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 23, 2015, 09:02:57 AM
Now go away....

Since this topic addresses your kind, perhaps it is you who should go away?
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Henry Hawk on June 23, 2015, 09:51:05 AM
Quote from: Exterminator on June 23, 2015, 09:37:11 AM
Since this topic addresses your kind, perhaps it is you who should go away?

Nope, you are wrong.  Like normal.  :yes:
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Exterminator on June 23, 2015, 10:00:32 AM
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Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Henry Hawk on June 23, 2015, 10:22:34 AM
You REALLY need to get some new material... :yes:

Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Henry Hawk on June 23, 2015, 10:28:22 AM
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Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Anne on June 23, 2015, 10:46:27 AM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on June 22, 2015, 11:13:41 AM
Start with back to the basics and quit this common core crap. Schools are too worried about keeping up with the Asians, Europeans or whoever. How about we just try to educate our own kids in subjects in schools and that they understand what it is they are being taught instead of passing them on to the next level!

I agree, but I think first you have to get the parents to at least teach their children respect for other people. You can't teach kids who have no respect for you or your position.
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Palehorse on June 23, 2015, 05:32:29 PM
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Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Palehorse on June 23, 2015, 05:37:41 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 23, 2015, 09:02:57 AM
Where did I indicate that I thought snobs were smarter that I was? Just the people who THINK they are smarter than I am are SNOBS.  Now go away....

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Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Purplelady1040 on June 23, 2015, 06:04:12 PM
Quote from: Anne on June 23, 2015, 10:46:27 AM
I agree, but I think first you have to get the parents to at least teach their children respect for other people. You can't teach kids who have no respect for you or your position.
True but too many kids have babies when they are babies themselves!
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: libby on June 24, 2015, 12:23:15 AM
Quote from: Anne on June 23, 2015, 10:46:27 AM
I agree, but I think first you have to get the parents to at least teach their children respect for other people. You can't teach kids who have no respect for you or your position.
Yes, but, I also think that, ideally, It Takes a Village: and Other Lessons Children Teach Us (Hillary Clinton), and that includes school and church. Those early years do matter.

I, the oldest of 5, was given freedom to roam in the tiny coal camp where we lived until I was in the 5th grade. I loved school and church -- my first exposure to religion was during that time. You could see the Methodist Church from our front porch. I walked to school and church, and was a happy little girl.
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Anne on June 25, 2015, 10:26:18 AM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on June 23, 2015, 06:04:12 PM
True but too many kids have babies when they are babies themselves!

I agree with that, but it is more than just that. Even children of older (read 30's) parents seem to be 'running the show'. I don't know if they aren't taught manners and respect or their parents don't know how to parent. Teachers can't discipline students, at least in Indiana, and if you try to correct a child that isn't yours you can be in a world of hurt depending on the parent. I think there are a lot of things wrong with the ways children are being raised today and I know this isn't the 50's or 70's but kids still need the same things now. Security, direction, encouragement, attention (not tv or video games , adult attention), unconditional love (which doesn't mean they or their parents should think anything they do is acceptable), discipline, structure, all these thing in addition to the physical things of food, shelter, exercise and health care. I know it seems these things should be obvious to everyone, but evidently they aren't to some people. OK, I know I'm preachin' to the choir, so end of rant.
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Y on June 30, 2015, 09:04:47 PM
Or stop considering them to be 'children' until they're 18 or 21 years old.

Nature considers them to be 'adults' once they hit puberty.

This is just another one of those "you can't fool Mother Nature" issues.
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Anne on July 02, 2015, 10:53:04 AM
You really think a 10 or 12 year old should be considered an adult for any reason?
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: The Troll on July 02, 2015, 11:37:17 AM


                   
  Anti-intellectualism is killing America.  Yep!  What does the Republican Party do when they get control of a state.  Control of the Governorship and control of the state house.   Why the cut funds to the schools and the state colleges.   :rant:  Just like religion you got to keep the people under you STUPID! :trustme: :yes:
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Y on July 06, 2015, 09:41:30 PM
Quote from: Anne on July 02, 2015, 10:53:04 AM
You really think a 10 or 12 year old should be considered an adult for any reason?

Who are we to argue with nature? 

Not facing reality is one of the major problems with the human race, and America in particular.  Reality - nature in this instance - tells us when a child becomes an adult.  If we haven't raised our children to be aware of nature's reality, that's on us and the problem is with us for pretending someone's a child for yet another ten or so years.

It's no wonder our children, in general, don't appear prepared for adulthood.
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Anne on July 08, 2015, 03:00:16 PM
Quote from: Y on July 06, 2015, 09:41:30 PM
Who are we to argue with nature? 

Not facing reality is one of the major problems with the human race, and America in particular.  Reality - nature in this instance - tells us when a child becomes an adult.  If we haven't raised our children to be aware of nature's reality, that's on us and the problem is with us for pretending someone's a child for yet another ten or so years.

It's no wonder our children, in general, don't appear prepared for adulthood.

What world are you living in?
Title: Re: Anti-intellectualism Is Killing America
Post by: Y on July 08, 2015, 04:16:09 PM
Quote from: Anne on July 08, 2015, 03:00:16 PM
What world are you living in?

The more pertinent question is what world are you living in. 

Only in modern society - and then only in humans - do we not consider reaching the ability to procreate as maturity/adulthood.

It's just another way we mythologize ourselves to our detriment.

BTW, just to demonstrate some hypocrisy, American society doesn't have a major problem with considering 'children' adults when they commit heinous crimes.

I just don't understand why we have such a problem facing reality.   :rolleyes: