Okay, here we go again. A normally safe aircraft (the Airbus A320) has crashed in the Alps killing everyone on board. As of the time of this post, one of the black boxes (the cockpit voice recorder) has been recovered. The plane's fuselage is obliterated.
According to CNN:
According to an online flight tracker that records altitude, the plane was at 38,000 feet, and eight minutes later had dropped to 11,400 feet -- a drop of nearly 27,000 feet. The plane's speed dropped during the descent, from 551 mph to 480, according to the tracking data.
This could indicate that there was not a stall, but that the pilot was still controlling the plane to some extent, Schiavo said.
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150324111946-map-germanwings-route-exlarge-169.jpg)
It'll be interesting to see what the cause of this one will be.
Quote from: Locutus on March 24, 2015, 03:15:59 PM
Okay, here we go again. A normally safe aircraft (the Airbus A320) has crashed in the Alps killing everyone on board. As of the time of this post, one of the black boxes (the cockpit voice recorder) has been recovered. The plane's fuselage is obliterated.
According to CNN:
According to an online flight tracker that records altitude, the plane was at 38,000 feet, and eight minutes later had dropped to 11,400 feet -- a drop of nearly 27,000 feet. The plane's speed dropped during the descent, from 551 mph to 480, according to the tracking data.
This could indicate that there was not a stall, but that the pilot was still controlling the plane to some extent, Schiavo said.
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150324111946-map-germanwings-route-exlarge-169.jpg)
It'll be interesting to see what the cause of this one will be.
I'm suspecting shades of the Egypt Air crash in this one. . . suicide. . .
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"No piece left that is larger than a small car." :eek:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 24, 2015, 06:02:46 PM
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"No piece left that is larger than a small car." :eek:
It is horrible. Heard that there was a group of high school kids on the plane.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 24, 2015, 05:02:00 PM
I'm suspecting shades of the Egypt Air crash in this one. . . suicide. . .
:spooked: :spooked: :spooked: :spooked:
(CNN)Latest developments:
• 7:51 p.m. ET:
One of the pilots on board Germanwings Flight 9525 was locked out of the cockpit when the plane crashed Tuesday, a senior military official told The New York Times, citing evidence from the cockpit voice recorder.
Holy hell!!!! :spooked:
The cockpit voice recorder indicates that one of the pilots on Germanwings Flight 9525 was locked out of the cockpit when the plane crashed, a senior military official tells The New York Times.
I think radical Islamic Muslims strike again!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 25, 2015, 09:20:35 PM
I think radical Islamic Muslims strike again!
Maybe not.
If this whole thing was simply a suicide mission, then why not plant the plane nose down and get it over with? Why the long, slow glide to a lower altitude and then into the mountainside? That part doesn't make any real sense.
If the remaining pilot was on some sort of suicide mission to which the locked out pilot wasn't a party, one would think he would have crashed the plane before the other pilot would have had a chance to break the door down and get back in. In other words, nose down, dive, die.
Quote from: Locutus on March 25, 2015, 09:55:12 PM
Maybe not.
If this whole thing was simply a suicide mission, then why not plant the plane nose down and get it over with? Why the long, slow glide to a lower altitude and then into the mountainside? That part doesn't make any real sense.
If the remaining pilot was on some sort of suicide mission to which the locked out pilot wasn't a party, one would think he would have crashed the plane before the other pilot would have had a chance to break the door down and get back in. In other words, nose down, dive, die.
You may very well be correct, and I realize I am just making an assumption, but....in this day and time, it is not a stretch or a wild assed assumption. We may never know for sure what was the reason.
I just think it was a terrorist attack.
DELIBERATE!
Quote from: Locutus on March 25, 2015, 09:55:12 PM
Maybe not.
If this whole thing was simply a suicide mission, then why not plant the plane nose down and get it over with? Why the long, slow glide to a lower altitude and then into the mountainside? That part doesn't make any real sense.
If the remaining pilot was on some sort of suicide mission to which the locked out pilot wasn't a party, one would think he would have crashed the plane before the other pilot would have had a chance to break the door down and get back in. In other words, nose down, dive, die.
Prayer and a desire to impose horror upon all?
More details about the copilot are coming out. I am not positive but thought on the news it stated that most times when a pilot went to the restroom that a flight attendant would enter the cockpit and stay in the cockpit until the pilot returned. They were wondering if the attendant was in the cockpit or rendered useless once they entered. I am sure we will never know.
According to the latest news the co-pilot, who was only 28,was alone in the cockpit. He was apparently calm (they could hear his breathing), but he said nothing. As the plane went down, the pilot could be heard yelling and trying to break down the door to get back into the cockpit.
I'd like to know why he did it.
Quote from: Locutus on March 26, 2015, 03:51:55 PM
I'd like to know why he did it.
Extremism or mental illness. In either case we will never know the real reason he did it. . .
I'm thinking mental illness, perhaps. If it were some sort of extremism, it kind of defeats the purpose not to let people know why you did what you did. You would also think that some group would have claimed responsibility for it by now if it were related to any of them.
Quote from: Locutus on March 26, 2015, 04:55:31 PM
I'm thinking mental illness, perhaps. If it were some sort of extremism, it kind of defeats the purpose not to let people know why you did what you did. You would also think that some group would have claimed responsibility for it by now if it were related to any of them.
Religious extremism takes many forms, and this guy may have been one of those "lone wolves" that supported one of those groups from afar.
Moreover, they likely have not dug into his life very far at all as of yet. . . Who knows what they will find when they do?
True.
They didn't know until this morning that he did it on purpose. I guess time will tell.
Quote from: Locutus on March 26, 2015, 05:58:20 PM
True.
They didn't know until this morning that he did it on purpose. I guess time will tell.
I agree
I just saw a news piece that showed authorities confiscating his computers and other items, as well as boxes of personal items today.
Within a week we will know if there were others involved and/or if he was sick.
(CNN)Latest developments:
• 5:32 p.m. ET: Transponder data shows that the autopilot on Germanwings Flight 9525 was reprogrammed by someone in the cockpit to change the plane's altitude from 38,000 feet to 100 feet, according to Flightradar24, a website that tracks aviation data.
How would transponder data show that the autopilot was reprogrammed? The flight data recorder would know that, but I didn't think they had that yet.
From what I gather from the news, the authorities knew far more about what was going on and had happened than they let on.
Quote from: Y on March 26, 2015, 09:55:29 PM
From what I gather from the news, the authorities knew far more about what was going on and had happened than they let on.
That doesn't surprise me at all.
Apparently it seems the co-pilot was indeed sick and had been undergoing treatment for quite some time, and the doctor(s) had written notes indicating he was unfit for duty; all of which he never turned over to his employer nor informed them of. . .
They're not saying what the "condition" or "Malady" was, but the media is insinuating it was likely severe depression. . .
I can't stand these motherfuckers who want to kill themselves, but just have the need to take others - in this case a lot of them - with them when they go. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: Locutus on March 27, 2015, 05:46:06 PM
I can't stand these motherfuckers who want to kill themselves, but just have the need to take others - in this case a lot of them - with them when they go. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Yeah. They're the scum of the earth. Suicide is a selfish act, but mass murder in the process of it is well beyond that! :mad:
They have found over 400 body parts, but nobody intact. . . :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 27, 2015, 06:33:09 PM
They have found over 400 body parts, but nobody intact. . . :mad:
Yep. That's gonna' happen on a high speed impact like that. Stardust doesn't hold up too well under those conditions.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 27, 2015, 05:44:27 PM
Apparently it seems the co-pilot was indeed sick and had been undergoing treatment for quite some time, and the doctor(s) had written notes indicating he was unfit for duty; all of which he never turned over to his employer nor informed them of. . .
They're not saying what the "condition" or "Malady" was, but the media is insinuating it was likely severe depression. . .
I guess I don't understand why the doctors didn't send the letters to employers instead of expecting him to give the letters to them. I think if I was some of the families I would be suing some doctors. Not sure for what but I am sure a good lawyer could come up with something.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 27, 2015, 08:29:40 PM
I guess I don't understand why the doctors didn't send the letters to employers instead of expecting him to give the letters to them. I think if I was some of the families I would be suing some doctors. Not sure for what but I am sure a good lawyer could come up with something.
Confidentiality.
My understanding is this was a condition wherein the employee had a private health issue and went to a doctor on his own, not a company doctor so to speak.
Doctors cannot just send your health information to your employer. Nor should they unless the visit was company initiated and the doctor performing the examination / treatment was doing so at the bidding of the company, and the company compensating him for these services.
Now, this is American law and not German, so I am assuming it works similarly . . .
Quote from: Palehorse on March 28, 2015, 09:45:18 AM
Confidentiality.
My understanding is this was a condition wherein the employee had a private health issue and went to a doctor on his own, not a company doctor so to speak.
Doctors cannot just send your health information to your employer. Nor should they unless the visit was company initiated and the doctor performing the examination / treatment was doing so at the bidding of the company, and the company compensating him for these services.
Now, this is American law and not German, so I am assuming it works similarly . . .
Yes, you are correct on that PH. I wasn't thinking about confidentiality. I guess I was just considering that if a person was a threat than they should have but you are totally correct on that.