Shocking! (http://www.theindychannel.com/decodedc/vaccination-debate-splits-along-party-lines)
Quote from: Exterminator on February 04, 2015, 09:23:02 AM
Shocking! (http://www.theindychannel.com/decodedc/vaccination-debate-splits-along-party-lines)
What is shocking is that Guv Christie has no qualms about locking up someone who has been exposed to Ebola, yet he believes that it's OK to endanger millions of children by not requiring vaccinations.
:rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
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If we would have closed off our boarder, I bet we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.... ;)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 04, 2015, 04:10:04 PM
If we would have closed off our boarder, I bet we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.... ;)
You can't be serious .....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 04, 2015, 04:41:15 PM
Dead serious...
Seal all our borders, let no visitors from any country in?
Quote from: Bo D on February 04, 2015, 04:49:48 PM
Seal all our borders, let no visitors from any country in?
Are YOU serious? c'mon, you know EXACTLY what I mean, at least I hope you do. Visitors must follow our process and abide by our laws. People SNEAKING across the boarder are NOT VISITORS. They need to be screened and go through the process, like those who actually do.
I would bet this measles outbreak is started from an illegal immigrant.
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 04, 2015, 05:02:57 PM
Are YOU serious? c'mon, you know EXACTLY what I mean, at least I hope you do. Visitors must have a process and laws to abide. People SNEAKING across the boarder are NOT VISITORS. They need to be screened and go through the process, like those who actually do.
I would bet this measles outbreak is started from an illegal immigrant.....
I'm sorry but that's just stupid. France has one of the largest measles infection rates in the world. How many Messicans do you think came from France?
Odds are that it did come from a foreign visitor. But it certainly spread because of the anti-vaxxers in this country. And Christie and Paul are only hurting the situation.
Quote from: Bo D on February 04, 2015, 05:08:39 PM
I'm sorry but that's just stupid. France has one of the largest measles infection rates in the world. How many Messicans do you think came from France?
Odds are that it did come from a foreign visitor. But it certainly spread because of the anti-vaxxers in this country. And Christie and Paul are only hurting the situation.
I cannot possibly disagree with you more! It only takes a tad of common sense to evaluate this situation and conclude the obvious. How many kids did we recently distribute across this nation from the flood of illegals from central america that has never been faxed?
To even think that this is not a possibility is crazy!
I'll say one thing, this measles controversy is certainly something to detract people from noticing what else is going on. Shouldn't more attention be paid to the reaction of our administration to the burning of the Jordanian pilot?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 04, 2015, 05:02:57 PM
Are YOU serious? c'mon, you know EXACTLY what I mean, at least I hope you do. Visitors must follow our process and abide by our laws. People SNEAKING across the boarder are NOT VISITORS. They need to be screened and go through the process, like those who actually do.
I would bet this measles outbreak is started from an illegal immigrant.
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And the odds are you would lose that bet. There is not a single shred of evidence that "patient zero" in the United States was an illegal immigrant. IIRC this whole thing blossomed at Disneyland. . . And lets see. . . tourist trap. . . child oriented venue. . .high traffic venue with lots and lots of snotty nosed, puking, and crapping babies. . . unvaccinated babies, toddlers, and teens. . . scads of them. . . and a whole bunch of them used public transportation, ground and air, as well as private transportation to get there. . .
To me, the math says these ass-hat parents that bought into the whole vaccination = autism emotional propaganda are nothing if not complicit in the outbreak and the continuing health threat it represents.
We are a nation of global cultures, beliefs, and origins; and this fact alone all but ensures that visitors from foreign lands will infest our communities on an hourly basis, from coast-to-coast. When we as private citizens make choices that endanger not just the lives of our families, but the lives of every human being we come into contact with, we represent a clear and present danger to the well being of the inhabitants of this nation.
http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-02-03/nigerian-writer-mocks-us-disease-concern-saying-africa-should-screen-americans
"Anyone who immigrates to the United States has to prove that they've received the full vaccination schedule, including measles," says Rachel Pearson, a researcher at the Institute for the Medical Humanities in Austin, Texas. "If they can't prove that they've received these vaccines before they immigrate, then they get the vaccine again. "
Last year, when thousands of children from Central America attempted to make their way across the southern US border, many Americans complained that the youngsters were harboring vaccine-preventable diseases.
"In El Salvador, 94 percent of people have been vaccinated against measles. In Guatemala, it's 93 percent. The rate in the US is about 91 percent," she says. "So we could be pretty confident that children immigrating from Central America were likely to have already been vaccinated against measles." Quote from: me on February 04, 2015, 06:56:55 PM
I'll say one thing, this measles controversy is certainly something to detract people from noticing what else is going on. Shouldn't more attention be paid to the reaction of our administration to the burning of the Jordanian pilot?
Ah! The diversionary random commentary intended to infer scandal or other nefarious intention. . . (Damn. You guys never tire of this tactic do you?) :roll eyes:
So I'll bite. Tell us oh Savant, just what path would you have this nation take in the situation? What ominous and dark future do you spy in that crystal Mason jar you are hoisting?
Quote from: Palehorse on February 04, 2015, 07:41:58 PM
And the odds are you would lose that bet. There is not a single shred of evidence that "patient zero" in the United States was an illegal immigrant. IIRC this whole thing blossomed at Disneyland. . . And lets see. . . tourist trap. . . child oriented venue. . .high traffic venue with lots and lots of snotty nosed, puking, and crapping babies. . . unvaccinated babies, toddlers, and teens. . . scads of them. . . and a whole bunch of them used public transportation, ground and air, as well as private transportation to get there. . .
To me, the math says these ass-hat parents that bought into the whole vaccination = autism emotional propaganda are nothing if not complicit in the outbreak and the continuing health threat it represents.
We are a nation of global cultures, beliefs, and origins; and this fact alone all but ensures that visitors from foreign lands will infest our communities on an hourly basis, from coast-to-coast. When we as private citizens make choices that endanger not just the lives of our families, but the lives of every human being we come into contact with, we represent a clear and present danger to the well being of the inhabitants of this nation.
http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-02-03/nigerian-writer-mocks-us-disease-concern-saying-africa-should-screen-americans
"Anyone who immigrates to the United States has to prove that they've received the full vaccination schedule, including measles," says Rachel Pearson, a researcher at the Institute for the Medical Humanities in Austin, Texas. "If they can't prove that they've received these vaccines before they immigrate, then they get the vaccine again. "
Last year, when thousands of children from Central America attempted to make their way across the southern US border, many Americans complained that the youngsters were harboring vaccine-preventable diseases.
"In El Salvador, 94 percent of people have been vaccinated against measles. In Guatemala, it's 93 percent. The rate in the US is about 91 percent," she says. "So we could be pretty confident that children immigrating from Central America were likely to have already been vaccinated against measles."
Ah! The diversionary random commentary intended to infer scandal or other nefarious intention. . . (Damn. You guys never tire of this tactic do you?) :roll eyes:
So I'll bite. Tell us oh Savant, just what path would you have this nation take in the situation? What ominous and dark future do you spy in that crystal Mason jar you are hoisting?
Since when is measles such a huge threat anyway? Now left untreated, yes, they can be bad but it was no big deal when I, or even you, were young.
Quote from: me on February 05, 2015, 12:15:16 AM
Since when is measles such a huge threat anyway? Now left untreated, yes, they can be bad but it was no big deal when I, or even you, were young.
Holy COW! Are you just trying to be obstinate or are you really that F&*^%#$ STUPID?
Measles can be dangerous, especially for babies and young children. From 2001-2013, 28% of children younger than 5 years old who had measles had to be treated in the hospital.
For some children, measles can lead to:
•Pneumonia (a serious lung infection)
•Lifelong brain damage
•Deafness
•Death
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/measles/fs-parents.html (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/measles/fs-parents.html)
No treatment can get rid of an established measles infection. http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/measles/basics/treatment/con-20019675 (http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/measles/basics/treatment/con-20019675)
Quote from: Bo D on February 05, 2015, 08:41:57 AM
Holy COW! Are you just trying to be obstinate or are you really that F&*^%#$ STUPID?
Measles can be dangerous, especially for babies and young children. From 2001-2013, 28% of children younger than 5 years old who had measles had to be treated in the hospital.
For some children, measles can lead to:
•Pneumonia (a serious lung infection)
•Lifelong brain damage
•Deafness
•Death
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/measles/fs-parents.html (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/measles/fs-parents.html)
No treatment can get rid of an established measles infection.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/measles/basics/treatment/con-20019675 (http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/measles/basics/treatment/con-20019675)
Hum, seems as though sulfa drug and a cream for the itching did just fine for me and my 3 daughters when they had them.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 05, 2015, 08:49:23 AM
So it couldn't possibly be some dumb white trash idiot who doesn't get his kids vaccinated because he eschews science...must be some brown people causing it. Tell us again how you're not racist? :rolleyes:
There you go pulling the race card again. Is that all you know to do when you can't contribute anything else?
Quote from: me on February 05, 2015, 09:41:25 AM
Hum, seems as though sulfa drug and a cream for the itching did just fine for me and my 3 daughters when they had them.
I guess you know more than the Mayo Clinic. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on February 05, 2015, 09:46:35 AM
There you go pulling the race card again. Is that all you know to do when you can't contribute anything else?
Oh, for fuck sake...we're talking about a measles outbreak and he immediately starts blaming illegals with absolutely nothing to support that allusion. What about that doesn't scream racist?
Has anybody here read "The Marching Morons?"
Quote from: Bo D on February 05, 2015, 10:43:50 AM
Has anybody here read "The Marching Morons?"
:big grin:
I haven't, but I will now that you've mentioned it. I think that sort of "reverse Darwinism," if you will, has been mentioned more than a few times around here.
Quote from: Locutus on February 05, 2015, 10:53:47 AM
:big grin:
I haven't, but I will now that you've mentioned it. I think that sort of "reverse Darwinism," if you will, has been mentioned more than a few times around here.
Yes - it has been mentioned many times here. I read about the book recently and immediately thought of you guys.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 05, 2015, 10:15:06 AM
Oh, for fuck sake...we're talking about a measles outbreak and he immediately starts blaming illegals with absolutely nothing to support that allusion. What about that doesn't scream racist?
The fact that they brought over other diseases with them, the outbreak is in Cal, and it started after the influx of so many of them. Think man, if there was such good medical care where they were and they aren't from poor countries why are they coming here? If they were white it would still be blamed on them so come off the racist shit.
Quote from: me on February 05, 2015, 11:41:42 AM
if there was such good medical care where they were and they aren't from poor countries why are they coming here?
TO VISIT DISNEYLAND!!!!!!!! :groan:
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Again, I'm not sure who you are trying to aim this at, but I am all FOR vaccines. I do not doubt the scientist who have studied this.
I wasn't aiming that at anyone in particular. I just saw it right after reading this thread and thought it was apropos.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 05, 2015, 12:42:16 PM
Again, I'm not sure who you are trying to aim this at, but I am all FOR vaccines. I do not doubt the scientist who have studied this.
It all started here ...
Quote from: Exterminator on February 04, 2015, 09:23:02 AM
Shocking! (http://www.theindychannel.com/decodedc/vaccination-debate-splits-along-party-lines)
Then you made a regrettable comment ....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 04, 2015, 04:10:04 PM
If we would have closed off our boarder, I bet we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.... ;)
(BTW, I think I deserve credit for not jumping all over the "
boarder" thing!)
Of course, then "me" in her unimaginable wisdom said -
Quote from: me on February 05, 2015, 12:15:16 AM
Since when is measles such a huge threat anyway?
Of course as these things usually go, we went off on tangents now and then and here we are ... :biggrin:
When I was a kid measles was just part of growing up and not considered dangerous unless let get out of hand by not treating it properly, aspirin, (that's all there was then for fever), bed rest, lotion for the itching, and sulfa drugs. Now if let go to go in or get in your ears that was a different story. There was also gamma globulin shots one could take to lessen the severity of both measles and chicken pox. As a matter of fact when my kids got both I took the two who didn't have it yet for a shot and they both had a very light case, in fact they hardly broke out at all with either measles or chicken pox and barely any itching at all. As an adult both can be more dangerous though if you didn't get them as a child and are exposed so I agree with possibly taking the shot as an adult.
Okay, I sometimes get in to big of a hurry, and I don't think about the proper spelling of a word or two.... :spooked: :-[
BUT,
With that being said, I still stand behind my stance, if we closed off our borders ( ;) ) and not allow ANYONE to roam our nation, and I will add, keep better track of who comes into and leaves this country, including our own citizens, who may be carrying diseases to and fro other countries. Remember the Ebola scare we recently had?
Quote from: me on February 05, 2015, 01:35:25 PM
When I was a kid measles was just part of growing up and not considered dangerous
Medicine wasn't very advanced in the 19th century.
Quote from: me on February 05, 2015, 01:35:25 PM
When I was a kid measles was just part of growing up and not considered dangerous unless let get out of hand by not treating it properly, aspirin, (that's all there was then for fever), bed rest, lotion for the itching, and sulfa drugs. Now if let go to go in or get in your ears that was a different story. There was also gamma globulin shots one could take to lessen the severity of both measles and chicken pox. As a matter of fact when my kids got both I took the two who didn't have it yet for a shot and they both had a very light case, in fact they hardly broke out at all with either measles or chicken pox and barely any itching at all. As an adult both can be more dangerous though if you didn't get them as a child and are exposed so I agree with possibly taking the shot as an adult.
When you had measles did you have to stay in a dark room and weren't allowed to watch tv because it would damage your eyes? I was 5 and it was early spring, just getting nice outside and we were stuck inside. My son had chicken pox over spring school break when he was 5, he had pox all over except for the soles of his feet and the palms of his hands, he was a sight. We probably infected half of Disneyworld. We went to FL to visit my husband's parents and our son woke up the morning we had been to Disneyworld covered in chicken pox. Thankfully he didn't have any complications. We drove straight through coming home, only eating from drive through restaurants.
Quote from: Bo D on February 05, 2015, 02:24:21 PM
Medicine wasn't very advanced in the 19th century.
;D
Quote from: Bo D on February 05, 2015, 02:24:21 PM
Medicine wasn't very advanced in the 19th century.
WHOOSH......................!!!!!!!!!!!
:rotfl:
Quote from: Locutus on February 05, 2015, 06:35:13 PM
WHOOSH......................!!!!!!!!!!!
:rotfl:
:para: :rotfl:
Quote from: Anne on February 05, 2015, 05:23:17 PM
When you had measles did you have to stay in a dark room and weren't allowed to watch tv because it would damage your eyes? I was 5 and it was early spring, just getting nice outside and we were stuck inside. My son had chicken pox over spring school break when he was 5, he had pox all over except for the soles of his feet and the palms of his hands, he was a sight. We probably infected half of Disneyworld. We went to FL to visit my husband's parents and our son woke up the morning we had been to Disneyworld covered in chicken pox. Thankfully he didn't have any complications. We drove straight through coming home, only eating from drive through restaurants.
Yep, I had to stay in a dark room but fortunately for my kids they discovered that wasn't necessary so they didn't have to endure that. What ticked me off was I had them during spring break, it was nice out and I didn't feel bad. I wanted out of that bed sooooo bad and mom had a heck of a time keeping me down. :biggrin:
Correction on my post to me, it was the day AFTER we went to Disneyworld my son broke out in chicken pox. I think faster than I type, I never would have knowingly exposed anyone like that.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 04, 2015, 05:02:57 PM
I would bet this measles outbreak is started from an illegal immigrant.
And here you are regurgitating yet another one of the stupid RW/TP talking points you were spoon fed and that has no basis in reality.
First, IIRC, Mexico is close to the vaccination rate of the good ole' USA.
Second, are you really stupid enough to think that people sneaking across the border with nothing but the clothes on their back are somehow rushing from the border to Disneyland - to pass on diseases that they've most likely been vaccinated against.
Are you really that far gone that you're unable to see just how ludicrous that is?
Third, even you should be able to see just how racist that RW/TP talking point you're spewing is.
Good grief!
Quote from: Y on February 08, 2015, 01:11:36 PM
And here you are regurgitating yet another one of the stupid RW/TP talking points you were spoon fed and that has no basis in reality.
First, IIRC, Mexico is close to the vaccination rate of the good ole' USA.
Second, are you really stupid enough to think that people sneaking across the border with nothing but the clothes on their back are somehow rushing from the border to Disneyland - to pass on diseases that they've most likely been vaccinated against.
Are you really that far gone that you're unable to see just how ludicrous that is?
Third, even you should be able to see just how racist that RW/TP talking point you're spewing is.
Good grief!
Just because it was traced back to Disneyland doesn't mean that's where it originated ya know. The person who spread it at Disneyland had to have been in contact with it somewhere else to have it in the first place so that would not be the point of origination and could likely have been spread though being somewhere an illegal had been. There are also carriers who never actually get the disease if you remember correctly. :wink:
Quote from: me on February 08, 2015, 01:57:42 PM
Just because it was traced back to Disneyland doesn't mean that's where it originated ya know. The person who spread it at Disneyland had to have been in contact with it somewhere else to have it in the first place so that would not be the point of origination and could likely have been spread though being somewhere an illegal had been. There are also carriers who never actually get the disease if you remember correctly.
So, even after the racist aspect of blaming illegals has been illustrated to you, you decide it's a good idea to double down on that strategy?
Quote from: Exterminator on February 08, 2015, 02:20:20 PM
So, even after the racist aspect of blaming illegals has been illustrated to you, you decide it's a good idea to double down on that strategy?
Think about it Ex, how many years has it been since there was a case here even with some not being vaccinated and now that there are countless illegals crossing the border, bingo, it rears it's ugly head again. Now what is the logical thing to suspect? Race has nothing what-so-ever to do with it.
Quote from: me on February 08, 2015, 03:46:59 PM
Think about it Ex, how many years has it been since there was a case here even with some not being vaccinated and now that there are countless illegals crossing the border, bingo, it rears it's ugly head again. Now what is the logical thing to suspect? Race has nothing what-so-ever to do with it.
That argument doesn't hold any water.
Statistically the odds of what you put forth are against it, and morally you are just trashing a race of people that differ from you. That you persist in such endeavors makes the application of Occam's Razor germane.
Quote from: me on February 08, 2015, 03:46:59 PM
Think about it Ex, how many years has it been since there was a case here even with some not being vaccinated and now that there are countless illegals crossing the border, bingo, it rears it's ugly head again. Now what is the logical thing to suspect? Race has nothing what-so-ever to do with it.
There are hundreds of cases of measles in the U.S. ev ery year including several fairly significant outbreaks involving large groups of people. These are increasing recently because idiots aren't having their children vaccinated. The last major outbreak traced to people coming from foreign countries was in 2011 and most of the cases that came in from other countries came from France.
Race should not have anything to do with it. It is
you who continues to suggest that the recent increase in cases must be from brown people coming from countries whose whose vaccination rates are better than our own because
you see them as unclean and disease ridden...because you're a racist.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 08, 2015, 05:17:33 PM
There are hundreds of cases of measles in the U.S. ev ery year including several fairly significant outbreaks involving large groups of people. These are increasing recently because idiots aren't having their children vaccinated. The last major outbreak traced to people coming from foreign countries was in 2011 and most of the cases that came in from other countries came from France.
Race should not have anything to do with it. It is you who continues to suggest that the recent increase in cases must be from brown people coming from countries whose whose vaccination rates are better than our own because you see them as unclean and disease ridden...because you're a racist.
If things are so much better in their country why are they coming here? Also I ask again, what does the color of their skin have to do with anything? You're the one that keeps bringing that up not me. They are dark because of the pigment of their skin due to where they live and other than that they are the same as a white, black, or yellow person, we all bleed red ya know.
Quote from: me on February 08, 2015, 05:34:02 PM
If things are so much better in their country why are they coming here?
Clearly not to get vaccinated.
QuoteAlso I ask again, what does the color of their skin have to do with anything? You're the one that keeps bringing that up not me.
I'm only pointing out how racist it is that you continue to blame immigrants from Central America when it isn't true. Hell, you didn't even know that we routinely have measles outbreaks in this country and pretty much always have! Maybe you should stick to subject about which you know something?
Interesting...here's what the CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html) has to say about Measles: "Measles is still common in many parts of the world including some countries in Europe, Asia, the Pacific, and Africa."
Please note that Central America is not on that list.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 08, 2015, 05:45:10 PM
Clearly not to get vaccinated.
I'm only pointing out how racist it is that you continue to blame immigrants from Central America when it isn't true. Hell, you didn't even know that we routinely have measles outbreaks in this country and pretty much always have! Maybe you should stick to subject about which you know something?
If it is so common then why is it such a big deal now that it was even mentioned on the news?
Here is my take, for anyone to think that the measles couldn't come from an undocumented immigrant is foolish. Just as it would be foolish to think it couldn't possibly start here from anti vaxxer. This is just another reason to secure our borders and properly check all visitors. I don't think that is asking for too much.
Wow. . . :no: :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 08, 2015, 06:04:37 PM
Here is my take, for anyone to think that the measles couldn't come from an undocumented immigrant is foolish. Just as it would be foolish to think it couldn't possibly start here from anti vaxxer. This is just another reason to secure our borders and properly check all visitors. I don't think that is asking for too much.
This country was founded upon immigrants. The genealogy of the inhabitants of this nation proves it; more than any other country on the planet.
I find it painfully ironic to consistently hear the caterwauling about immigration that has taken place over the past 6 years in this country, given this fact.
I wonder what could have started all of this? Humm. . . What could it be? ? ? . . . . . . .
Perhaps it is:
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Wow!
Simply incredible, how split america is right now. Common sense is no loner prevalant amongst half this nation.
Funny how you guys have to throw religion into the argument. I have yet to bring up my faith to support my stance on these issues..
This has been the most fun I have had on here in years!
Being able to stand for the truth without resorting to being nasty and insulting is something you guys should give a try sometime.
It all started with watching Ronald Reagan delivering a speech I watched 35 years ago! THAT was A Great American!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 08, 2015, 06:47:26 PM
Wow!
Simply incredible, how split america is right now. Common sense is no loner prevalant amongst half this nation.
Yes, it is funny isn't it? You and your ilk have achieved your main objective; divide America. The only problem is you don't know what comes next do you?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 08, 2015, 06:47:26 PM
Funny how you guys have to throw religion into the argument. I have yet to bring up my faith to support my stance on these issues..
^---Here we have an example of how religion is used within the so called religious individuals day-to-day life. When their interpretations of religious scripture supports their views, they (typically) beat us over the heads with it. But when it doesn't, or is counter-intuitive to their objectives, they conveniently ignore it; meeting at least the bare minimum for the interpretation of the word hypocrite.
This being said, care to show us where "we" dragged religion into all of this? You and your ilk are the ones hard at work attempting to ram through religious based legislation as a means to oppress those that do not endorse such things. (Constitutionally prohibited).
And if you're going to use this posters church lady post as said example, then you are further gone than even I perceived you to be. (My postings of scripture within another topic herein are intended to highlight the hypocrisy in everything you have said and done within that very topic. Those aren't the words of my religion, but yours. Specifically the King James Bible.)
Any castigation you may experience due to those postings is strictly of your own origin and not at the words of anyone else.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 08, 2015, 06:47:26 PM
This has been the most fun I have had on here in years!
Being able to stand for the truth without resorting to being nasty and insulting is something you guys should give a try sometime.
It all started with watching Ronald Reagan delivering a speech I watched 35 years ago! THAT was A Great American!
Well. . .
(https://dstecca.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/snl-church-lady.jpg)
;D
I love ya pH! You are amazing with rebuttals, I surrender. I am signing off for the night, my kids are ready for some family time.
Maybe tomorrow I will respectfully respond to your post.
Gnite
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 08, 2015, 07:14:20 PM
I love ya pH! You are amazing with rebuttals, I surrender. I am signing off for the night, my kids are ready for some family time.
Maybe tomorrow I will respectfully respond to your post.
Gnite
Good night Hank.
Enjoy your family time man. We get less and less of it each and every day. :'(
Quote from: me on February 08, 2015, 05:57:59 PM
If it is so common then why is it such a big deal now that it was even mentioned on the news?
Because the anti-science crowd (people like you) are increasingly refusing to vaccinate their children. This isn't rocket science.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 08, 2015, 06:47:26 PM
Common sense is no loner prevalant amongst half this nation.
Indeed...the uneducated, below-average IQ half.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 09, 2015, 07:42:18 AM
Because the anti-science crowd (people like you) are increasingly refusing to vaccinate their children. This isn't rocket science.
;) ;D Au contraire mon frere; It seems it is more of the folks like yourself that are more likely to be causing this problem....
Washington State had an overall alarming 6.2% exemptions requested by parents for their kids; dangerously close to the herd immunity threshold. Alabama only had 0.5% exemptions, including for religious, philosophical or medical reasons - and Alabama is 94% religious while Washington state is only 75%.(1) So much for religious people being more anti-science or stupid; not having your child die because some New Age hippie in a Whole Foods store told you vaccines cause autism is downright smart.
And it isn't fringe kooks in some remote Washington wasteland, highly-educated Seattle had 5.3% exemptions. Well, they are educated. And selfish. They understand herd immunity in a way lesser educated people do not and maintain a suspicion that, despite any scientific evidence, vaccines may cause autism and so they would like to have their kids protected from both. The way for Washington parents to do that is to have the proletariat pump up the vaccine numbers to herd immunity levels, while their far-more-important special snowflakes benefit.
It's downright capitalistic. And dangerous. When it comes to being pro-science this time, Alabama beats Washington hands down. (Resource) Science 2.0 (http://www.science20.com/science_20/blog/washington_or_alabama_who_more_pro_science-79868)
It also appears that it is NOT the Tea Partiers and good ol' boys that is the problem, it is the snob, yuppie liberals, such as the tree-hugging, hollywood, progressives that are too "smart" for science, and are not getting the vaccines.
(http://cdn.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/vacc-rate-2012-electoral-map-2-3-15-4-sml.gif)
As I pointed out yesterday, your ilk tends to start with a conclusion and then look for only that information which supports that conclusion while abandoning everything that doesn't. This is a perfect example...Hank Campbell is by no means a credible source. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on February 09, 2015, 09:25:59 AM
As I pointed out yesterday, your ilk tends to start with a conclusion and then look for only that information which supports that conclusion while abandoning everything that doesn't. This is a perfect example...Hank Campbell is by no means a credible source. :rolleyes:
This again, is your ilks answer. When provided more than enough evidence to support my stance, it is ALWAY.....
Blank Blank is by no means a credible source.
;D I'm telling ya, you guys are KILLING ME!!
;D all I can is "WOW" :rolleyes:
You need to learn to deal with the facts EX. I'm being very serious with you buddy.... :yes: You are so hard-headed, and set on your ways, you cannot see the simple truth or facts.
This is just between you and me, I won't tell the rest, so you won't have to be embarrassed...okay? :razz:
UNBELIEVABLE! :spooked: ;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 09, 2015, 09:33:22 AM
When provided more than enough evidence to support my stance...
You clearly don't understand what qualifies as evidence.
QuoteYou need to learn to deal with the facts EX.
The
facts are that the conclusions drawn by Hank Campbell, like your own, are based entirely on what you want to be true rather than what is. Not my problem...your propensity to remain willfully ignorant on virtually every subject is well recognized.
(http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2015/02/FT_Vaccines.Parties.png)
Hell, if they don't want to vaccinate their children, let them not do it. :biggrin: This way we can control the future crop of dummies. :wink: :biggrin: Also keep them out of public school and day care. Let them be home school so they are not too bright too. :doh: