what do you guys think about the Bill Cosby situation?
I don't know what to think, I certainly don't condone it, if it is true. It seems so out of character for him.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 21, 2014, 11:56:17 AM
what do you guys think about the Bill Cosby situation?
I think some of the women are lying but it is hard to say. I guess time will tell!
Ole' Duke sez Cos has a 90% chance of bein' guilty.
Best regards,
Duke (skeletons come out) Jupiter
I question the timing of these women coming out with this for sure.
Me, I agree. Some of these women are saying this happened 20-30 years ago, why did they not say something then?
... and the winner is: DUKE: who wrote in another topic that Cosby was/is 90% guilty. :yes:
I wondered why the following Cosby story was in the Style section of Friday's Washington Post. It's a :eek: story of an awful fall from grace.
21 Nov 2014
The Washington Post
BY PHILIP KENNICOTT
Cosby's loan of art pulls Smithsonian into national debate
An example of the hazards of exhibiting private collections
Bill Cosby's interview with an Associated Press reporter, filmed Nov. 6 at the Smithsonian's National Museum of African Art, shows power and privilege in operation. After reporter Brett Zongker asked the comedian about allegations that he had raped or sexually abused women, Cosby suggested that such questions were irresponsible. He and his wife had chosen to sit down with the AP, he said, because they thought the AP was a reputable news organization and would not dig into those unpleasant accusations.
Cosby tried a classic power play, hoping to intimidate the reporter into suppressing the video: "I think if you want to consider yourself to be serious, that it will not appear anywhere," he said to Zongker. After making this equation — between reportorial seriousness and deference to himself — Cosby asked David Brokaw, his longtime media representative, who was standing off-camera, to get on the horn to the AP and do everything possible to ensure that the videotaped encounter was "scuttled."
Zongker, who covers art and cultural issues in the nation's capital, deserves credit for asking the hard questions.
"It was his duty to ask the question as a reporter and journalist," said Lou Ferrara, an AP vice president whose purview includes entertainment news.
Cosby may have hoped that as an arts reporter, Zongker would limit his inquiries to art matters. Arts reporting is often assumed to be soft reporting, a feel-good beat on the edge of the real news business. Sometimes this is true, especially on television, where stories about the arts are vanishingly rare and almost always are used as inspirational post- See page 41 ....
Bill Cosby continued:
This is the front page above the fold headline of today's Washington Post:
" Accusations recast an American cultural icon
By Manuel Roig-Franzia, Scott Higham, Paul Farhi, and Mary Pat Flaherty
They didn't see a comedian. They saw the "king of the world."
Long before there was a Dr. Cliff Huxtable, before rumpled sweaters and a collective anointing as America's dad, Bill Cosby was magnified a hundredfold in the eyes of the young models and actresses he pulled into his orbit. For them, he embodied the hippest of the 1960s and the '70s Hollywood scene, a mega-star with the power to make somebodies out of nobodies.
He partied with Hugh Hefner and was a regular at the magazine mogul's Playboy Mansion bacchanals. He co-owned a restaurant and hit the hottest clubs. He sizzled.
Those wild, largely forgotten days clash with the avuncular image that has been Cosby's most enduring impression on American culture. And they have been jarringly cast in a wholly different light as a torrent of women have told-- and in some cases retold graphic highly detailed stories of alleged abuse by Cosby.
Sixteen women have publicly stated that Cosby, now 77, sexually assaulted them, with 12 saying he drugged them first and another saying he tried to drug her. The Washington Post has interviewed five of those women, including a former Playboy Playmate who has never spoken publicly about her allegations. The women agreed to speak on the record and to have their identities revealed. The Post also has reviewed court records that shed light on the accusations of a former director of women's basketball operations at Temple University who assembled 13 "Jane Doe" accusers in 2005 to testify on her behalf about their allegations against Cosby.
The allegations, some of which Cosby has denied and others he has declined to discuss, span the arc of the comedy legend's career, from his pioneering years as the first black star of a network television drama in 1965 to the mid-2000s, when Cosby was firmly entrenched as an elder statesman of the entertainment industry, a scolding public conscience of the African American community and a philanthropist. They also span a monumental generational shift in perceptions -- from the sexually unrestrained -60s to an era when the idea of date rape is well understood...."
The article in today's Washington post is much, much longer. I haven't read all of it yet. If you want to read/see for yourself (there are pictures), just google www.washingtonpost.com and choose a topic that shows a picture of Cosby front and center.
Who cares about all of this garbage. :puke:
Quote from: The Troll on November 23, 2014, 02:58:22 PM
Who cares about all of this garbage. :puke:
You should. . .
If the allegations against this man are proven true, he is (has been) every bit as much of a threat to women's freedom of choice as the republican party!
Quote from: The Troll on November 23, 2014, 02:58:22 PM
Who cares about all of this garbage. :puke:
seems you do. You responded. ;D
http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/ex-nbc-employee-claims-he-helped-bill-cosby-pay-off-women/ar-BBfq3YE
lemmon 714
Quote from: duke jupiter on November 23, 2014, 05:31:20 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/ex-nbc-employee-claims-he-helped-bill-cosby-pay-off-women/ar-BBfq3YE
Sooooo!? Other than that. :man:
Something smells here.
Out of all those accusations:
Why have there never been any charges?
The one that I know of that was investigated resulted in no charges, the prosecutor declined to prosecute - usually meaning there was no evidence to justify a trial or one that could be won.
Why come 'out' about these allegations years - even decades - after the fact, especially after statutes of limitations have long expired? Is it because now these allegations cannot be officially investigated and the accusers officially questioned?
Why take money if you've supposedly been drugged and raped/sexually abused? Somehow that doesn't really seem to reasonably equate to justice, just a payoff for making the allegations.
It doesn't seem reasonable to accept that he's been that prolific of a 'rapist' - a serial 'rapist' if you will - and yet he's escaped for decades without charges or trials - even given the known corruption of our justice system.
What I suspect is two fold. One, he's a powerful entertainment entity and has mega bucks. It's often far cheaper and more prudent to pay off the usual nuisance accusations than to take them to trial. We know how commonplace that is, and that it sometimes breeds feeding frenzies of more accusations. Second, he's irritated a lot, if not most, of new black money - money made from activities/things he's railed on about in public and the media. It wouldn't be a far stretch to assume that new money just might like a little payback and smackdown to the old self-righteous curmudgeon and take him down at least a peg or two...and to think the accusers would prolly get paid for it out of his pockets too. It would be a double whammy.
We may never really know the truth.
Holy crap I can't believe I agree with you about something. :eek: :spooked:
The news announced that now a woman has came out and said that Cosby molested her 40 years ago. I wonder why these women waited so long to come out and make a case against him? I guess fear.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on December 03, 2014, 08:15:32 AM
The news announced that now a woman has came out and said that Cosby molested her 40 years ago. I wonder why these women waited so long to come out and make a case against him? I guess fear.
He has more money and I also have other ideas about what's going on but won't voice them here.
There sure is a lotta smoke, heck there probably is a fire behind the smoke.
Best regards,
Duke (in time we all get exposed) Jupiter
Either way, his career is ruined and I agree with Y we will never really know.
Although, didn't one of the accusers report it years ago right after it allegedly happened?
It is sad that a man who had such a wonderful image and was a tremendous role model had to ruin it all.
Between the timing of all this and the years that have passed since it supposedly happened I just can't help but smell a rat here.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on December 13, 2014, 01:22:01 PM
Either way, his career is ruined and I agree with Y we will never really know.
Although, didn't one of the accusers report it years ago right after it allegedly happened?
Sandy, you may be thinking about a Temple University Jane Doe lawsuit (Temple gave Cosby an honorary degree). I've been following it in the Washington Post:
"Three women ... Beth Ferrier, of Colorado, was listed as a Jane Doe victim in a 2005 lawsuit filed by the former director of operations for Temple's women's basketball team who sued Cosby for drugging her and assaulting her in 2004. The second woman, Helen Hayes, said that she met Cosby at a Clint Eastwood celebrity tennis tournament in Pebble Beach, California, in 1973. The third woman only disclosed her first name, Chelan. She said she met Cosby when she was 17 because her stepmother wrote to him to tell him that Chelan wanted to be a model."
All I've seen is talk and not one shred of actual evidence.
Quote from: Y on December 24, 2014, 02:48:43 PM
All I've seen is talk and not one shred of actual evidence.
Allred took the cases if that tells you anything. The women in the interviews I watched were reading and kept looking up as if being coached, one wasn't even crying until she looked up and then paused and started that fake cry crap if you know what I mean. Don't know about you but if something like that had happened to me, even that long ago, I wouldn't need to read from a written statement to tell people about it.
If there's one thing Gloria Allred can do, it's smell money. :roll eyes:
Quote from: Locutus on December 24, 2014, 10:05:21 PM
If there's one thing Gloria Allred can do, it's smell money. :roll eyes:
Yeppers and she'll go to great lengths to get it.
I agree and find it interesting that none of the very attractive Cosby women have mentioned even an uncomfortable feeling with Bill Cosby. With exception to Raven Simone who has a teen following, any of them could use a booster to their careers, but have said nothing.
Again, even that is hearsay and doesn't prove anything, but I'm suspicious of the whole thing.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on December 13, 2014, 01:22:01 PM
Either way, his career is ruined and I agree with Y we will never really know.
Although, didn't one of the accusers report it years ago right after it allegedly happened?
I would say at his age his career is pretty much over. :doh:
Looks like Bill Cosby is in more hot water. He's been charged with sexual assault in Pennsylvania.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/30/us/bill-cosby-sexual-assault-investigation-pennsylvania/index.html
I saw that. I still don't know why these women waited so long to file charges. I know some will say they were afraid, he had power, etc. but he was a lot more famous then than now
From what I read, these particular charges were filed because the statute of limitations would have been up in early 2016.
Quote from: Locutus on December 30, 2015, 02:12:34 PM
From what I read, these particular charges were filed because the statute of limitations would have been up in early 2016.
Okay, you would think if it was a felony that there wouldn't be a statute of limitations. I know in Kentucky there isn't and some other states they don't.
Here is the affidavit of probable cause if anyone cares to read it.
Quote from: Locutus on December 30, 2015, 02:12:34 PM
From what I read, these particular charges were filed because the statute of limitations would have been up in early 2016.
12 years post incident? Wow. It never ceases to astound me just how long they will extend said limitations. . .
Not that I don't believe the man was/is likely a criminal, but what real evidence do they have besides the he said-she said ? DNA? Other forensics? Film?
Given that over a decade has passed since this incident for which he is being charged, it seems more likely that he will be acquitted rather than convicted. . .
Then again, stranger things have happened, and continue to happen every single day. . .
After 10 years they are going to try for a so called sex crime. :haha: Give me a break. :yes: I say he is not guilty. :yes: :rant: Just a god damn bunch of lawyers going after his money. :007:
Quote from: The Troll on December 30, 2015, 10:30:10 PM
Just a god damn bunch of lawyers going after his money. :007:
Yeah, but this is a criminal charge. There aren't dollars to be had by the prosecutors.
Quote from: Locutus on December 30, 2015, 10:33:24 PM
Yeah, but this is a criminal charge. There aren't dollars to be had by the prosecutors.
Exactly, prosecutors are paid by the state so they wouldn't exactly get the money except for the victims. I think it is crazy that after a decade they choose to do this.
Quote from: Locutus on December 30, 2015, 02:12:34 PM
From what I read, these particular charges were filed because the statute of limitations would have been up in early 2016.
Yes, but apparently that's not the only reason. From what I've heard from constant coverage here today, the young woman, who was employed at Temple University -- where Cosby was reportedly her mentor -- did press charges after the alleged assault occurred, but the prosecuting attorney at the time decided not to press charges.
I just read the affidavit Locutus posted (I couldn't pull it up earlier), and it is :rolleyes:
I read the affidavit also. I wonder if it took investigators a decade to research and uncover the truth or that prosecutors were afraid of Cosy's fame and popularity. I know sometimes it takes time to uncover the facts in a high profile case.
No matter the statue of limitations, folks tryin' to get a few $, whatevever.... Ole' Bill may have to atone for some of his sins. Heck you know the old sayin' "where there's a considerable amount of smoke there's gotta be a dadburn fire".
Best regards,
Duke (watch out for the jello puddin' or is that "shaky puddin'") Jupiter
;D
Bill Cosby is looking pretty fucked right about now. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on April 26, 2018, 02:37:43 PM
Bill Cosby is looking pretty fucked right about now. :yes:
Yup. . . He's goin' to the sin bin! :jail:
Quote from: Palehorse on April 27, 2018, 12:08:03 AM
Yup. . . He's goin' to the sin bin! :jail:
He's probably going to stay in there until he ends up on the harvested thread. :reap: :reap: :reap:
Quote from: Palehorse on April 27, 2018, 12:08:03 AM
Yup. . . He's goin' to the sin bin! :jail:
Well, if you're tried in the press and television and tried in court enough times, you are going to find a jury that will find you guilty. :rant:
Some years back the IRS tried a man for teaching that you didn't have to pay taxes. A IRS agent told him, we know your aren't guilty of anything criminal, but we are going to keep you in court and break you. :rant:
I have some doubts surrounding him being incarcerated in the traditional sense of the word. He has money. Money = Power.
Our governments are for sale at all levels.
The most he may see is home detention in the very mansion within which he perpetrated the crimes he has found guilty of. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on April 28, 2018, 07:49:23 PM
I have some doubts surrounding him being incarcerated in the traditional sense of the word. He has money. Money = Power.
Our governments are for sale at all levels.
The most he may see is home detention in the very mansion within which he perpetrated the crimes he has found guilty of. . .
He may croak before his appeals are exhausted as well.
Quote from: Locutus on April 28, 2018, 07:58:04 PM
He may croak before his appeals are exhausted as well.
Very real possibility! :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on April 28, 2018, 07:58:04 PM
He may croak before his appeals are exhausted as well.
At his age, I would make out my will and take the easy way out. I WOULD NOT GO TO PRISON. Not over this rail road job. :no:
Quote from: The Troll on April 30, 2018, 10:39:41 AM
At his age, I would make out my will and take the easy way out. I WOULD NOT GO TO PRISON. Not over this rail road job. :no:
What rail road job?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 30, 2018, 02:28:17 PM
What rail road job?
You would not and could not understand. :turk:
Quote from: The Troll on April 30, 2018, 04:59:09 PM
You would not and could not understand. :turk:
Try me.
Despite whatever culpability he may have, I have serious reservations about someone accepting a $3.4 million settlement from him and then filing charges many years later.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 02, 2018, 09:48:59 AM
Despite whatever culpability he may have, I have serious reservations about someone accepting a $3.4 million settlement from him and then filing charges many years later.
I'm with you on that, but there has been WAY too many women to make some pretty outrageous accusations about being drugged then he had sex with them. I gut tells me he was playing with fire and he got burned.
I think it sucks, because I was a fan of his too...