Looks like Iraq is a mess, the US is evacuating Americans from an air base, but not the Embassy. Iraq is reportedly asking for our help, specifically air strikes. Do we help, hope another country help(France perhaps), or let them fend for themselves? Mrs. Clinton says the "disaster" could not have been forseen. Anyone believe that?
Not to rehash the Iraq war, but that mess is a direct result of our actions in that country, so I think we should help them clean it up. The last thing we need is another terrorist breeding ground like Afghanistan was prior to the September 11th attacks.
That bad thing about those militants is that they're so extreme even Al-Qaeda his disassociated with them.
Quote from: Locutus on June 12, 2014, 05:13:30 PM
Not to rehash the Iraq war, but that mess is a direct result of our actions in that country, so I think we should help them clean it up. The last thing we need is another terrorist breeding ground like Afghanistan was prior to the September 11th attacks.
That bad thing about those militants is that they're so extreme even Al-Qaeda his disassociated with them.
Agreed on all points. :yes:
I agree to a point, but I don't think anything we do short of sending troops in will help.
Quote from: Anne on June 12, 2014, 11:21:53 PM
I agree to a point, but I don't think anything we do short of sending troops in will help.
True and from there it's :nocomment:
That whole country's situation is and has been a fuck up because of our interference when it wasn't necessary. Not to rehash the Iraq war debacle or anything. :wink:
Quote from: me on June 13, 2014, 12:11:54 AM
True and from there it's :nocomment:
Maybe they'll somehow smuggle the WMD's back from Syria, which you posited at one point, and save the day and the Iraqis. :rolleyes:
No wonder you have no comment.
Quote from: Anne on June 12, 2014, 11:21:53 PM
I agree to a point, but I don't think anything we do short of sending troops in will help.
We'll have to see what happens. Those militants aren't going to have things with such ease once they try Baghdad. That's a whole different animal from a religious standpoint, especially given those who may be willing to take up arms to defend themselves and their beliefs.
"I am very optimistic about -- about Iraq. I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration. You're going to see 90,000 American troops come marching home by the end of the summer. You're going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government".....Joe Biden.- 2010
Quote from: Locutus on June 13, 2014, 12:12:35 AM
That whole country's situation is and has been a fuck up because of our interference when it wasn't necessary. Not to rehash the Iraq war debacle or anything. :wink:
Hey, well at least it has cost over $2
trillion...so far.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 13, 2014, 08:27:23 AM
"I am very optimistic about -- about Iraq. I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration. You're going to see 90,000 American troops come marching home by the end of the summer. You're going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government".....Joe Biden.- 2010
Yeah, because that's way worse than Cheney; right? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on June 13, 2014, 12:15:33 AM
We'll have to see what happens. Those militants aren't going to have things with such ease once they try Baghdad. That's a whole different animal from a religious standpoint, especially given those who may be willing to take up arms to defend themselves and their beliefs.
If, and that is a big if, we actually do send in planes to bomb, where will they bomb? They won't hit cities because of the civilian poulation and you know that is exactly where ISIS will be. We can maybe bomb in the outskirts, but without troops, I can't see that doing any good. It is Viet Nam all over again, only this time, we might go back. I think Iran may 'come to the aid' of Iraq, eventually taking it over. Wouldn't that be great. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on June 13, 2014, 12:13:39 AM
Maybe they'll somehow smuggle the WMD's back from Syria, which you posited at one point, and save the day and the Iraqis. :rolleyes:
No wonder you have no comment.
I kind of expected that but you know that's not what I meant.
Quote from: Anne on June 13, 2014, 11:02:12 AM
If, and that is a big if, we actually do send in planes to bomb, where will they bomb? They won't hit cities because of the civilian poulation and you know that is exactly where ISIS will be. We can maybe bomb in the outskirts, but without troops, I can't see that doing any good. It is Viet Nam all over again, only this time, we might go back. I think Iran may 'come to the aid' of Iraq, eventually taking it over. Wouldn't that be great. :rolleyes:
Well you have to remember that a certain subset of them are always on the move. They've made no attempt to hide the fact that they would march to Baghdad. That will leave them out in the open while in transit and subject them to, at a minimum, drone strikes. You're right though; we're not going to be bombing any cities. Actually, from what Obama said today, we may not bomb at all. He basically told them it was their problem to deal with.
Quote from: me on June 13, 2014, 11:48:46 AM
I kind of expected that but you know that's not what I meant.
Sorry, but I had to through that in there. :wink: :smile:
Quote from: Anne on June 12, 2014, 04:20:37 PM
Looks like Iraq is a mess, the US is evacuating Americans from an air base, but not the Embassy. Iraq is reportedly asking for our help, specifically air strikes. Do we help, hope another country help(France perhaps), or let them fend for themselves? Mrs. Clinton says the "disaster" could not have been forseen. Anyone believe that?
I don't know what you believe. :confused: But I believe and do know that this would not be happening if it wasn't for George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and and all of the lying Republicans who started the war on Iraq. :trustme: :tiphat:
Just think George W. Bush killed 4,500 and wounded over 30,000 of our young people. :mad: :mad: For oil and to out do daddy. :rant:
Speaking of Dick Cheney, he had the unmitigated gall to say this about Obama.
"Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many."
:mad: :mad: :mad:
and..... :confused:
It's amazingly hypocritical for him to pen such a statement about Iraq and not be talking about George W. Bush.
He said RARELY... :yes:
I'm dickin with ya.....though I am not a Cheney hater...........I understand how you libs ( :razz: ) can get all bent out of shape with that statement. ;D
Dick Cheney, did you really want to go there?
The Cheney polemic would be outrageous even if our former vice president's record on Iraq had been one of absolute clairvoyance. As it happens, he was wrong in almost every prediction he made about the war.
On March 16, 2003, days before the war started, Cheney sat down with the late Tim Russert on NBC's "Meet the Press" for what still stands as the most revealing of the prewar interviews. Cheney was adamant that "to suggest that we need several hundred thousand troops there after military operations cease, after the conflict ends, I don't think is accurate. I think that's an overstatement."
"We will, in fact, be greeted as liberators," he famously said and proceeded to play down the very sectarian divisions that are plaguing the country now. Russert asked: "And you are convinced the Kurds, the Sunnis, the Shiites will come together in a democracy?" Cheney replied quickly: "They have so far." He went on:
"If you look at the opposition, they've come together, I think, very effectively, with representatives from Shia, Sunni and Kurdish elements in the population. They understand the importance of preserving and building on an Iraqi national identity. They don't like to have the U.S., for example, come in and insist on dealing with people sort of on a hyphenated basis — the Iraqi-Shia, Iraqi-Sunni — but rather to focus on Iraq as a nation and all that it can accomplish as a nation, and we try to be sensitive to those concerns. I think the prospects of being able to achieve this kind of success, if you will, from a political standpoint, are probably better than they would be for virtually any other country and under similar circumstances in that part of the world."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ej-dionne-dick-cheney-reveals-his-chutzpah-in-iraq-op-ed/2014/06/18/756bce06-f713-11e3-a606-946fd632f9f1_story.html?tid=pm_pop (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ej-dionne-dick-cheney-reveals-his-chutzpah-in-iraq-op-ed/2014/06/18/756bce06-f713-11e3-a606-946fd632f9f1_story.html?tid=pm_pop)
Bingo Bo D. He told more lies about the situation in Iraq than George W. Bush did.
"The level of activity that we see today from a military standpoint, I think, will clearly decline. I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." -- Dick Cheney
"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." -- Dick Cheney
"I think it will go relatively quickly. Weeks rather than months." -- Dick Cheney
:rolleyes:
Here is Cheney talking to Megan Kelly.........she asks all those questions...and he responds.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/06/18/megyn_kelly_to_dick_cheney_time_and_time_again_history_has_proven_you_got_it_wrong_on_iraq.html#ooid=tnOTBkbjr-3_6nuFGLx0xHBnK45-NAyF (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/06/18/megyn_kelly_to_dick_cheney_time_and_time_again_history_has_proven_you_got_it_wrong_on_iraq.html#ooid=tnOTBkbjr-3_6nuFGLx0xHBnK45-NAyF)
I hate to say this, but Megyn Kelly is right in what she said to him.
MEGYN KELLY: In your op-ed, you write as follows: 'Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many.' But time and time again, history has proven that you got it wrong as well, sir. You said there were no doubts that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. You said we would be greeted as liberators. You said the Iraq insurgency was in its last throes back in 2005. And you said after our intervention, extremists would have to "rethink their strategy of jihad." Now with almost a trillion dollars spent there with 4,500 American lives lost there, what do you say to those who say you were so wrong about so much at the expense of so many?
What does Cheney do in response? Keeps peddling the same lies that he used to get us in there in the first place.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 19, 2014, 03:41:52 PM
Here is Cheney talking to Megan Kelly.........she asks all those questions...and he responds.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/06/18/megyn_kelly_to_dick_cheney_time_and_time_again_history_has_proven_you_got_it_wrong_on_iraq.html#ooid=tnOTBkbjr-3_6nuFGLx0xHBnK45-NAyF (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/06/18/megyn_kelly_to_dick_cheney_time_and_time_again_history_has_proven_you_got_it_wrong_on_iraq.html#ooid=tnOTBkbjr-3_6nuFGLx0xHBnK45-NAyF)
He didn't respond to a single f@#$ing question.
Plus he dropped yet another lie .... "Barack Obama has stated repeatedly that the terrorist threat is gone"
What the President said that the wingnuts just can't seem to understand is ....
"We must define our effort not as a boundless 'Global War on Terror,' but rather as a series of persistent, targeted efforts to dismantle specific networks of violent extremists that threaten America," Obama said.
BIG DIFFERENCE!
I look forward to one day spitting on Cheney's grave.
;D
Quote from: Exterminator on June 19, 2014, 06:04:50 PM
I look forward to one day spitting on Cheney's grave.
The only way this asshole will die is, he is shot with a silver bullet, garlic is wrapped around his neck and a stake driven thought that black heart of his. :haha:
Quote from: Exterminator on June 19, 2014, 06:04:50 PM
I look forward to one day spitting on Cheney's grave.
If you really dislike him that much, why waste the effort? Won't matter to him and it just takes time away from doing what you enjoy doing.
Quote from: Anne on June 23, 2014, 11:55:42 PM
If you really dislike him that much, why waste the effort? Won't matter to him and it just takes time away from doing what you enjoy doing.
I will enjoy spitting on his grave.
Quote from: Anne on June 23, 2014, 11:55:42 PM
If you really dislike him that much, why waste the effort? Won't matter to him and it just takes time away from doing what you enjoy doing.
I would like to piss, take a dump and pour garlic juice all over his grave. :yes: :biggrin: Then put a 10 ton slab a concrete on his grave so the lying bastard can't raise from his grave. :haha: :haha: Or give him a Bin Laden salt water burial in 3 mile deep water. :haha:
That's what the murderer of 4,500 of our American troops deserves. :devil29:
And Anne why doesn't the lying bastard keep his mouth shut. :doh:
Agreed but he'll probably be buried at Arlington and you'd surely get caught.
Nothing but spite, a very destructive emotion.
Not all of us can ride unicorns and fart rainbows.
Quote from: Anne on June 24, 2014, 08:47:05 PM
Nothing but spite, a very destructive emotion.
You sure would know a lot about that, wouldn't you Anne. :wink: :biggrin: I can remember what you said about Bill Clinton getting a blow job in the White House, "your house". :haha: :haha: :choo: :choo: :choo:
I also remember you saying that you were not a Republican. :smile: :liar2: :doh: Dag nab it, I keep forgetting how you loved George W. and Richard Cheney. :walkdog:
Not everyone enjoys being spiteful either. At any rate, he won't care and you would have wasted time and money when you could have been enjoying time with friends or family.
Quote from: Anne on June 25, 2014, 02:23:08 PM
Not everyone enjoys being spiteful either. At any rate, he won't care and you would have wasted time and money when you could have been enjoying time with friends or family.
Well, George W. Bush and the Republican Party has cost me and the rest of the middle class a lot of money and Richard Cheney has cost our young men and women a lot of lives, blood and pain. :mad: :rant: And you and Henry, "ME" and yourself voted for them twice (2 times) :yes: Just say you're sorry. :@#%&: :busted:
I wouldn't make a special trip to do it but my girlfriend's father is buried there so we try to stop by when we're in the DC area.