(CNN) -- A passenger flight carrying 239 people from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing is missing and would likely have run out of fuel, Malaysia Airlines said Saturday.
"At the moment we have no idea where this aircraft is right now," Malaysia Airlines Vice President of Operations Control Fuad Sharuji said on CNN's "AC360."
Subang Air Traffic Control lost contact with Flight MH370 at about 2:40 a.m. local time (1:40 p.m. ET Friday), Sharuji said.
"We tried to call this aircraft through various means," he said.
The Boeing 777-200 departed Kuala Lumpur International Airport at 12:41 a.m. and was expected to land in Beijing at 6:30 a.m., a 2,300-mile (3,700 kilometer) trip. It was carrying 227 passengers, two of them infants, and 12 crew members, the airline said.
At the time of its disappearance, the plane was carrying about 7.5 hours of fuel, Sharuji said.
"Malaysia Airlines is currently working with the authorities who have activated their Search and Rescue team to locate the aircraft," the statement said. The public can call +603 7884 1234 for further information.
Efforts to contact the plane were fruitless.
The airline said in a statement that its representatives were contacting the relatives of those aboard. "Focus of the airline is to work with the emergency responders and authorities and mobilize its full support," it said.
"We're closely monitoring reports on Malaysia flight MH370," Boeing said in a tweet. "Our thoughts are with everyone on board."
"It doesn't sound very good," retired American Airlines Capt. Jim Tilmon told CNN's "AC360." He noted that the route is mostly overland, which means that there would be plenty of antennae, radar and radios to contact the plane.
"I've been trying to come up with every scenario that I could just to explain this away, but I haven't been very successful."
He said the plane is "about as sophisticated as any commercial airplane could possibly be," with an excellent safety record.
There is one recent blemish: An Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 carrying 291 passengers struck a seawall at San Francisco International Airport in July 2013, killing three people and wounding dozens more.
Malaysia Airlines operates in Southeast Asia, East Asia, South Asia, the Middle East and on the route between Europe and Australasia.
The airline's roots date back to 1937, when it operated passenger and cargo flights in Malaysia.
In April 1942, it was incorporated as Malaysia Airways Limited; it later became Malaysia Airlines.
The airline has its headquarters and registered office at Sultan Abdul Aziz Shah Airport in Subang, Malaysia, and its main airline hub is at Kuala Lumpur International Airport, according to its website.
:spooked: :spooked:
Here we go again! This time a triple-7 with 239 aboard!
Quote from: Locutus on March 07, 2014, 09:17:29 PM
:spooked: :spooked:
Here we go again! This time a triple-7 with 239 aboard!
That is exactly what I thought when I first read the report of this yesterday afternoon. (I was at work).
And the second thought that came to me was, "I wonder if this is another case of an ill-trained crew?"
The fact they have not found it yet makes this worrisome. . :spooked:
That 9 mile oil slick in the gulf of Thailand sounds like they went underwater. . . No distress call, nothing. This one could be a true mystery. . .
Yeah no real good clues here whatsoever.
Quote from: Locutus on March 08, 2014, 08:06:13 PM
Yeah no real good clues here whatsoever.
I thought aircraft contained some type of EPIRB unit, and if so why are they having such a hard time riding this aircraft?
So the oil slick was from a cargo ship and not an aircraft. Red herring.
All that various "crap" they've spotted and thought was debris was in fact debris; just not from this or any other aircraft.
If the aircraft had suffered a mid air catastrophic failure, one would expect a debris field. If it had suffered a mid air explosion or catastrophic cabin depressurization due to a breach of the cabin, one would expect a debris field.
If it had a suicidal pilot, or pilots, and flew straight into the sea, maybe there wouldn't be a debris field; but as we saw with air France, not always.
Still. One has to wonder why the hell the emergency location beacon isn't active or being picked up???? :spooked:
Aliens, yep aliens did it. Them thar alien martian men swooped right down and picked that plane right plum from the sky. Everyone of them thar passengers is a gittin probed right now, just like my buddy Bubba had done to him. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Quote from: Mr442 on March 10, 2014, 05:15:18 PM
Aliens, yep aliens did it. Them thar alien martian men swooped right down and picked that plane right plum from the sky. Everyone of them thar passengers is a gittin probed right now, just like my buddy Bubba had done to him. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
:biggrin:
Naw. They're floaters. We all float down here Georgie!
http://www.youtube.com/v/OPdDdC4go6c
With an average depth of 45 m and maximum depth of 80 m, one would think it would be fairly easy to locate it had it actually gone down in the Gulf of Thailand. . . :yes:
I'm thinking it may have gone down in the south China Sea, closer toward Hong Kong and just north, northwest of the Paracel Island chain. . . They've spotted "debris" out that way and if it turns out to be from this aircraft it could have gone down in several hundred feet of water; depending on just how close it was to Hong Kong. . .
So, just heard this aircraft does indeed have the "black box" model standard, that includes a "pinger" when it gets wet. These are audible pings that are detectable at depths up to 30,000 feet. And they are designed to continuously "ping" for a minimum of 30 days; but can last much, much longer than that under certain conditions.
It also includes emergency location signals that are designed to allow location on land as well.
So, why in the world are they not receiving these signals?
So one has to wonder; is it possible for a hijacker to shut off the transponder and GPS locator systems on a 777, and fly the jet to an undisclosed landing strip??
This could explain the reported turn back just before loss of locational data. Of course, so can a lot of other scenarios. . .
Indeed a mystery.
If you remember, even Egypt Air, which one of the pilots placed into a nose down attitude and crashed it nose first into the ocean left a debris field.
They seem to be backing away from the possibility of terrorism.
The conspiracy crowd is going to start making more sense than anything else, IF they don't find something solid to go on. Aliens from neptune...the bermuda triangle is now the bermuda isosceles triangle.
So now they are saying Malaysian radar tracked the aircraft, after the transponder was shut off, flying back the way it came, (roughly), and into the western coastal seas before it dropped off radar. thus the new search area,
The US has had Orion aircraft flying over the new area, and way ahead of the official expansion; they've found nothing.
You can help!
http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014
^^ That has satellite images that you can help analyze and tag anything that looks like plane wreckage to help in the mystery.
Quote from: Locutus on March 11, 2014, 10:45:46 PM
You can help!
http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014
I've tried several times throughout the day to get onto that site, but to no avail. . .
I finally got on and it put me in the gulf at 3 am on sunday. I searched in excess of 2500 frames and I marked about 14 items; most of them within the north-eastern quadrant of the area it placed me into.
I could not tell what the hell they were, but most of it looked like it could have been wreckage. . .
I saw several oil rigs in the SW quadrant, and one near the center of the area I was placed in that I could not tell WTF it was. No landing pad for helicopter, and it looked wrecked whatever it was. . . I marked it as well.
Most of the items I marked it was not clear what the hell it was. But it did resemble wreckage and was in the general shape of a fuselage. Probably junk watercraft or something like that.
So now they are saying the ACARS was sending data for up to 4 hours after the transponder was turned off and the plane dropped off radar.
Who the hell is running this search? :mad:
Langoliers.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 14, 2014, 01:02:42 PM
Langoliers.
That's awesome! I wonder who will know what you're talking about.
I do.
Quote from: Locutus on March 14, 2014, 01:23:56 PM
That's awesome! I wonder who will know what you're talking about.
I do.... :razz:
Four past midnight
Also Stephen King, author of the book. It came out as a miniseries on TV numerous years back. The whole thing can be found on YouTube segmented into 12 or 13 separate parts. I watched the whole thing just last year. Shitty graphics, but it still held my interest.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 14, 2014, 03:48:40 PM
Four past midnight
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/15/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/15/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
Now over a week after this incident, they are just stating that this could be a hijacking? Seriously? Just how stupid are the people running this investigation? :spooked:
Now the question turns back to where is it and what became of it. It seems senseless that whomever may have hijacked the plane did so simply to fly it into the ocean.
Quote from: Locutus on March 15, 2014, 11:08:26 AM
Now the question turns back to where is it and what became of it. It seems senseless that whomever may have hijacked the plane did so simply to fly it into the ocean.
It has been done before by a Muslim airline pilot and the pilot of this plane was also a pilot. The first plane crashed by a Muslim screamed as he dove it in to the water was "God is great". :eek:
Quote from: The Troll on March 15, 2014, 04:18:57 PM
It has been done before by a Muslim airline pilot and the pilot of this plane was also a pilot. The first plane crashed by a Muslim screamed as he dove it in to the water was "God is great". :eek:
Yep! Egypt Air!
I don't understand why they didn't take the pilot's simulator right after this happened and waited a whole week. I mean those things are computers and could a plethora of information from them. I wouldn't be surprised if somehow this has Russian and Ukraine ties to it but that is just me.
Hopefully that simulator will have some data on it that leads the investigators to what the pilot may have been practicing prior to this incident. The search area is now absolutely HUGE.
The families need to know what happened to that plane.
They sure do and they will never get any closure of any kind until they know. My heart breaks for them and it is doubly hard that there were 2 babies on that plane, if it was hijacked, why kill 2 innocent babies who have done nothing to someone in this world. I don't get it and understand that.
If the plane isn't found in the next 2 or 3 weeks, we may never know what happened. If it crashed, the wreckage is already probably well scattered by now. If it didn't, then we may very well see that plane again at some point.
It's obvious that whatever happened was a deliberate act at this point.
The thing is had it crashed, the Navy could find anything with the technology they have. I know got 2 good friends who are retired Navy and one is a Lt. Cmdr., he said they could find a safety pin with the technological radars they have but there has been no doors, windows not even wings found scattered.
So the question remains, where is the plane? Only time will tell.
I'm telling you, I have a fear that the next time the world sees that aircraft it will be laden with explosives and heading toward a target. . .
I agree with that.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 16, 2014, 06:30:13 PM
I'm telling you, I have a fear that the next time the world sees that aircraft it will be laden with explosives and heading toward a target. . .
I agree and I also fear that Israel would be a likely target.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 17, 2014, 08:45:26 AM
I agree and I also fear that Israel would be a likely target.
Don't discount the west coast of the US as a potential "high value" target. La or Sandy especially. BOTH have nuclear reactors right along the shoreline, and a dirty bomb aboard a triple 7, when combined with a nuclear reactor as a target in LA, will provide a huge death toll initially, and send fallout across the nation via the jet stream. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on March 16, 2014, 06:30:13 PM
I'm telling you, I have a fear that the next time the world sees that aircraft it will be laden with explosives and heading toward a target. . .
Bingo!!! We have a winner. That is exactly my thought. I also believe it was taken for future use. If it had been hijacked or crashed by terrorists wanting to be noticed, we would have found wreckage, or some group would have claimed responsibility.
I agree and Khazistan (sp) is also only about 1200 miles from Ukraine and I fear that possibly it could have been hijacked to that area in the war they have against Russia or that it will be headed here to use as a plane full of explosives set to hit a target.
I'm starting to think that plane is on the ground somewhere perfectly intact as well. If that's the case, I feel sorry for the passengers as they've most likely been eliminated by other methods.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 17, 2014, 05:08:03 PM
Don't discount the west coast of the US as a potential "high value" target. La or Sandy especially. BOTH have nuclear reactors right along the shoreline, and a dirty bomb aboard a triple 7, when combined with a nuclear reactor as a target in LA, will provide a huge death toll initially, and send fallout across the nation via the jet stream. . .
Though I do not discount the west coast as a highly potential target, I think, at least I would like to think, that our military is far superior enough to secure ourselves against such a possible threat. IF WE CAN THINK OF THIS, then I would like to think that our military is a few steps ahead of us.
All the more reason as we do NOT need to cut our Military budget. Our POTUS should make it clear to the world, that we are in the midst of improving our military with the most high tech weaponry and strongest well-trained soldiers this country has ever had.
I fully believe that "Peace through Strength" is the absolute best policy to assure our National Security.
Here's one pilot's take on a "Startlingly Simple Theory" on what caused the crash:
There has been a lot of speculation about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. Terrorism, hijacking, meteors. I cannot believe the analysis on CNN; it's almost disturbing. I tend to look for a simpler explanation, and I find it with the 13,000-foot runway at Pulau Langkawi.
We know the story of MH370: A loaded Boeing 777 departs at midnight from Kuala Lampur, headed to Beijing. A hot night. A heavy aircraft. About an hour out, across the gulf toward Vietnam, the plane goes dark, meaning the transponder and secondary radar tracking go off. Two days later we hear reports that Malaysian military radar (which is a primary radar, meaning the plane is tracked by reflection rather than by transponder interrogation response) has tracked the plane on a southwesterly course back across the Malay Peninsula into the Strait of Malacca. The loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense in a fire.
When I heard this I immediately brought up Google Earth and searched for airports in proximity to the track toward the southwest.
The left turn is the key here. Zaharie Ahmad Shah1 was a very experienced senior captain with 18,000 hours of flight time. We old pilots were drilled to know what is the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us, and airports ahead of us. They're always in our head. Always. If something happens, you don't want to be thinking about what are you going to do–you already know what you are going to do. When I saw that left turn with a direct heading, I instinctively knew he was heading for an airport. He was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi, a 13,000-foot airstrip with an approach over water and no obstacles. The captain did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000-foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier toward Langkawi, which also was closer.
Take a look at this airport on Google Earth. The pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make an immediate turn to the closest, safest airport.
For me, the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense in a fire. And there most likely was an electrical fire. In the case of a fire, the first response is to pull the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one. If they pulled the busses, the plane would go silent. It probably was a serious event and the flight crew was occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, navigate, and lastly, communicate is the mantra in such situations.
There are two types of fires. An electrical fire might not be as fast and furious, and there may or may not be incapacitating smoke. However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning. Yes, this happens with underinflated tires. Remember: Heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long-run takeoff. There was a well known accident in Nigeria of a DC8 that had a landing gear fire on takeoff. Once going, a tire fire would produce horrific, incapacitating smoke. Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks, but this is a no-no with fire. Most have access to a smoke hood with a filter, but this will last only a few minutes depending on the smoke level. (I used to carry one in my flight bag, and I still carry one in my briefcase when I fly.)
What I think happened is the flight crew was overcome by smoke and the plane continued on the heading, probably on George (autopilot), until it ran out of fuel or the fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. You will find it along that route–looking elsewhere is pointless.
There's more to that article. You can read it here:
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/
We can all relax; Courtney Love is on this! :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 18, 2014, 01:17:07 PM
We can all relax; Courtney Love is on this! :biggrin:
I read that. :big grin:
Everybody knows that Bubba done found it. Down in the swamp right next to where he was abducted by them aliens.
I heard it was on Gilligan's Island with the Professor and Maryann. :) Seriouslu, though, whatever happened the passengers are dead and I feel sorry for their families.
Quote from: Anne on March 18, 2014, 04:30:02 PM
I heard it was on Gilligan's Island with the Professor and Maryann. :) Seriouslu, though, whatever happened the passengers are dead and I feel sorry for their families.
Unless:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 17, 2014, 05:08:03 PM
Don't discount the west coast of the US as a potential "high value" target. La or Sandy especially. BOTH have nuclear reactors right along the shoreline, and a dirty bomb aboard a triple 7, when combined with a nuclear reactor as a target in LA, will provide a huge death toll initially, and send fallout across the nation via the jet stream. . .
And: They keep the passengers alive to line them up at the windows, thereby evoking the pity squads world-wide who will scream murder at whatever country ends up shooting the aircraft down. . .
These individuals,
if this is what they have planned, are ruthless and will show no quarter. It is important to keep that at the forefront of everyones mind when/if their evil plans revealed.
The longer this goes without any debris, bodies, or other trace of the aircraft being discovered, the more I suspect that they are indeed planning something like the speculation alleges within this topic and within the media.
Air France spewed debris and bodies within the first 5 days after the incident; and it was way down deep. . .
Quote from: Locutus on March 18, 2014, 11:45:57 AM
Here's one pilot's take on a "Startlingly Simple Theory" on what caused the crash:
There has been a lot of speculation about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. Terrorism, hijacking, meteors. I cannot believe the analysis on CNN; it's almost disturbing. I tend to look for a simpler explanation, and I find it with the 13,000-foot runway at Pulau Langkawi.
We know the story of MH370: A loaded Boeing 777 departs at midnight from Kuala Lampur, headed to Beijing. A hot night. A heavy aircraft. About an hour out, across the gulf toward Vietnam, the plane goes dark, meaning the transponder and secondary radar tracking go off. Two days later we hear reports that Malaysian military radar (which is a primary radar, meaning the plane is tracked by reflection rather than by transponder interrogation response) has tracked the plane on a southwesterly course back across the Malay Peninsula into the Strait of Malacca. The loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense in a fire.
When I heard this I immediately brought up Google Earth and searched for airports in proximity to the track toward the southwest.
The left turn is the key here. Zaharie Ahmad Shah1 was a very experienced senior captain with 18,000 hours of flight time. We old pilots were drilled to know what is the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us, and airports ahead of us. They're always in our head. Always. If something happens, you don't want to be thinking about what are you going to do–you already know what you are going to do. When I saw that left turn with a direct heading, I instinctively knew he was heading for an airport. He was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi, a 13,000-foot airstrip with an approach over water and no obstacles. The captain did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000-foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier toward Langkawi, which also was closer.
Take a look at this airport on Google Earth. The pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make an immediate turn to the closest, safest airport.
For me, the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense in a fire. And there most likely was an electrical fire. In the case of a fire, the first response is to pull the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one. If they pulled the busses, the plane would go silent. It probably was a serious event and the flight crew was occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, navigate, and lastly, communicate is the mantra in such situations.
There are two types of fires. An electrical fire might not be as fast and furious, and there may or may not be incapacitating smoke. However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning. Yes, this happens with underinflated tires. Remember: Heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long-run takeoff. There was a well known accident in Nigeria of a DC8 that had a landing gear fire on takeoff. Once going, a tire fire would produce horrific, incapacitating smoke. Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks, but this is a no-no with fire. Most have access to a smoke hood with a filter, but this will last only a few minutes depending on the smoke level. (I used to carry one in my flight bag, and I still carry one in my briefcase when I fly.)
What I think happened is the flight crew was overcome by smoke and the plane continued on the heading, probably on George (autopilot), until it ran out of fuel or the fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. You will find it along that route–looking elsewhere is pointless.
There's more to that article. You can read it here:
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/
I wouldn't want to toss aside the opinion of a seasoned pilot, nor am I attempting to here. But in my mind, if they had indeed crashed upon land somewhere along the path suggested, then why aren't the EPIRPS burring up the satellites? Why couldn't they have used the 200+ cell phones aboard the craft to track them down? How does a triple 7 go down in flames and not a single living soul sees it?
That area is replete with oil rigs, tankers, and other sea bound craft that would have had people awake and on watch all night long. If that aircraft had burst into flames over sea, somebody would have seen something. It's all but a certainty. (Same can be said for an airliner flying below 1000 feet too though).
I would hope that someone is comparing the gps signals of all watercraft within the search area at the time of the aircraft's disappearance, and overlaying it with the projected flight paths this thing could have taken. Ships at sea keep meticulous logs and someone had to see something that struck them as odd, or not right. (One hopes that with all the publicity this event has generated, they would have come forward by now though).
I would speculate that if this is indeed a terrorist plot and the aircraft was taken to a remote location and landed, then those doing the planning were meticulous in their endeavors and checked the navigational charts of the shipping lanes in an attempt to purposely avoid being sighted by them. I'm not really sure whether or not that is even a possibility.
I did search through over 5000 "tiles" at the web site Locutus posted earlier, and I have to tell you that I was amazed at the number of oil rigs, tankers, and ships that came up within the areas I searched. Most of them were within the 3:59am Sunday time range, so I am sure some of them were ships actively searching for the aircraft. But not the oil rigs and tankers, and there were a ton of them.
Quote from: Mr442 on March 17, 2014, 09:33:24 PM
Bingo!!! We have a winner. That is exactly my thought. I also believe it was taken for future use. If it had been hijacked or crashed by terrorists wanting to be noticed, we would have found wreckage, or some group would have claimed responsibility.
I know right?
I even searched navigational charts of the waters surrounding the area, and was amazed at the number of islands that just crop up out in the middle of the ocean in places. It's all but certain that somewhere one of them is large enough to have a runway scrabbled out upon it's surface. A long shot I know, but just the fact it is so easy to dismiss at the onset to me, makes it a plausible scenario to terrorists.
Remember, the US did that very thing on islands all across the pacific rim during world war II, so it isn't impossible. And these asshats have oil rich extremists to bankroll their plots. . .
It could just as easily be in a hanger in some god forsaken corner of the world too. . .
Well that pilot tends to base that opinion on the deliberate turn as being in response to some on board emergency (namely an electrical or some other sort of fire), with the passengers and crew subsequently becoming incapacitated because of the smoke. The plane would eventually crash on land or in the water were that the case.
But that still begs the question, where is it?
Quote from: Locutus on March 18, 2014, 08:21:52 PM
Well that pilot tends to base that opinion on the deliberate turn as being in response to some on board emergency (namely an electrical or some other sort of fire), with the passengers and crew subsequently becoming incapacitated because of the smoke. The plane would eventually crash on land or in the water were that the case.
But that still begs the question, where is it?
So the whole thing is questionable surrounding that, because had it been on fire, smoke would have been pouring from the aircraft at some point, and visible flames would be likely. If the auto-pilot was engaged it would have maintained course and heading, though one would assume that when it ran out of fuel it dropped like a rock; on land or sea, and left a fireball if on land, or a debris field at sea. Moreover, those ACARS signals stop once the engines crap out, so that fact alone says the aircraft was airborne for a significant period of time after the transponder ceased squawking.
Consider what happened with that golfer several years ago with that cabin breech. They were all incapacitated and it did just as the article speculates; it maintained course and heading and crashed when it ran out of fuel. . . That scenario just doesn't hold water in my opinion, if for no other reasons than the loss of transponder, the fact it dropped below radar altitude, and still maintained a state of controlled flight for hours.
And there are a huge amount of resources looking for those things, with human eyes as well as technological methods, and nada.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 18, 2014, 08:30:44 PM
So the whole thing is questionable surrounding that, because had it been on fire, smoke would have been pouring from the aircraft at some point, and visible flames would be likely. If the auto-pilot was engaged it would have maintained course and heading, though one would assume that when it ran out of fuel it dropped like a rock; on land or sea, and left a fireball if on land, or a debris field at sea. Moreover, those ACARS signals stop once the engines crap out, so that fact alone says the aircraft was airborne for a significant period of time after the transponder ceased squawking.
Consider what happened with that golfer several years ago with that cabin breech. They were all incapacitated and it did just as the article speculates; it maintained course and heading and crashed when it ran out of fuel. . . That scenario just doesn't hold water in my opinion, if for no other reasons than the loss of transponder, the fact it dropped below radar altitude, and still maintained a state of controlled flight for hours.
And there are a huge amount of resources looking for those things, with human eyes as well as technological methods, and nada.
Yeah he mentioned cabin depressurization as well. And the folks on Payne Stewart's jet weren't incapacitated; they were dead. :yes:
If I recall correctly, that plane flew on for miles with the cabin and cockpit windows iced over, and when it ran out of gas, it did a nosedive. One would assume the same would have been the case with some sort of depressurization of the 777. Only they would have had a hell of a lot more fuel, allowing them to fly much farther before and eventual crash occurred if that was what happened.
Quote from: Locutus on March 18, 2014, 08:35:56 PM
Yeah he mentioned cabin depressurization as well. And the folks on Payne Stewart's jet weren't incapacitated; they were dead. :yes:
If I recall correctly, that plane flew on for miles with the cabin and cockpit windows iced over, and when it ran out of gas, it did a nosedive. One would assume the same would have been the case with some sort of depressurization of the 777. Only they would have had a hell of a lot more fuel, allowing them to fly much farther before and eventual crash occurred if that was what happened.
Yeah, but the key component to that theory is auto-pilot being engaged. I don't believe auto-pilot would take you below 1000 feet in altitude and remain engaged. The terrain sensors would have been yelping and the system would have disengaged on its own, right?
Quote from: Palehorse on March 18, 2014, 08:38:52 PM
Yeah, but the key component to that theory is auto-pilot being engaged. I don't believe auto-pilot would take you below 1000 feet in altitude and remain engaged. The terrain sensors would have been yelping and the system would have disengaged on its own, right?
Yes it would have.
Quote from: Locutus on March 18, 2014, 08:35:56 PM
Yeah he mentioned cabin depressurization as well. And the folks on Payne Stewart's jet weren't incapacitated; they were dead. :yes:
If I recall correctly, that plane flew on for miles with the cabin and cockpit windows iced over, and when it ran out of gas, it did a nosedive. One would assume the same would have been the case with some sort of depressurization of the 777. Only they would have had a hell of a lot more fuel, allowing them to fly much farther before and eventual crash occurred if that was what happened.
Stewarts jet, a Lear 35, flew for 1500 miles and 6 hours before running out of fuel.
Interesting though that an eye witness, among a group of hunters within 3 miles of where the jet went down, heard nothing but saw it hit the ground in a nose first orientation. No explosion, no fire. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on March 18, 2014, 08:48:21 PM
Stewarts jet, a Lear 35, flew for 1500 miles and 6 hours before running out of fuel.
Interesting though that an eye witness, among a group of hunters within 3 miles of where the jet went down, heard nothing but saw it hit the ground in a nose first orientation. No explosion, no fire. . .
That's because you left out another no. No gas. ;D
Nothing flammable was left on the plane at that point. It was just a big heavy piece of metal and wires hitting the ground at that point.
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr111/hlovett_2008/1620896_615531441861735_1359620046_n_zps80e2428c.jpg) (http://s475.photobucket.com/user/hlovett_2008/media/1620896_615531441861735_1359620046_n_zps80e2428c.jpg.html)
Boo! :no: :razz:
Well, new theory that maybe the plane tried to fly to Australia, debris has been spotted so we see if it is the missing plane!!!
(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/_T7r_p68MBGeYQTh9LJw7g--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0yODg7cT03NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/gma/us.abcnews.gma.com/Satellite_2_16x9_992.jpg)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 20, 2014, 12:21:12 PM
(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/_T7r_p68MBGeYQTh9LJw7g--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0yODg7cT03NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/gma/us.abcnews.gma.com/Satellite_2_16x9_992.jpg)
It is flotsam until proven otherwise. :yes:
:yes: I agree.
Sweet Baby Jeebus Hanging on the cross! WTF are those jackwagons doing?
They release a "transcript" just days after this flight disappeared, and now a month later they release an "official transcript" that changes the last words from this flight?
What's next, an April Fools declaration? :rant:
April fools assholes. We flew the plane to a tropical paradise to make all you idiots go nuts! :icon_evil:
A Chinese patrol ship searching for signs of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 in the southern Indian Ocean discovered Saturday a pulse signal with a frequency of 37.5 kHz, state news agency Xinhua reported.
"That is the standard beacon frequency" for both so-called black boxes , , ,
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/05/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/05/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
To this point, this now appears to be the only "promising lead" they've come up with since the disappearance of the aircraft.
Not much else transmits on this frequency that I am aware of, so I expect they'll locate it within a few days now.
....if the Chinese know what they're talking about.
According to a CNN article, that sound was located at about 25 S latitude and 101 E longitude. That point is plotted on the below map. If that's true, the prior search teams were WAY off from where they should have been searching. Last I heard, they were concentrating on an area about 1,500 miles southwest of Perth. The location below is clearly quite a distance northwest of Perth.
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/11lsbux.jpg)
Quote from: Locutus on April 05, 2014, 12:31:30 PM
....if the Chinese know what they're talking about.
Seeing how the larger percentage of passengers on that flight were Chinese citizens, and given that the frequency is by and large reserved for emergency signal becons, I'm guessing they're likely hearing something.
Moreover, given the "breakthrough math" used in determining the flight path and projecting the potential crash site location, the area where they've discovered this signal isn't too far from the realm of statistical error margins. . . In my opinion anyway.
I just wish they'd find it and get the data analysis underway. The global airline industry needs to know what the hell happened and enact countermeasures in order to help prevent it from reoccurring. . .
Kooks did it, you know she does everything else so lets blame this one on her!
Seriously, the families need answers and closure!
Quote from: Palehorse on April 05, 2014, 02:09:00 PM
Seeing how the larger percentage of passengers on that flight were Chinese citizens, and given that the frequency is by and large reserved for emergency signal becons, I'm guessing they're likely hearing something.
Moreover, given the "breakthrough math" used in determining the flight path and projecting the potential crash site location, the area where they've discovered this signal isn't too far from the realm of statistical error margins. . . In my opinion anyway.
I just wish they'd find it and get the data analysis underway. The global airline industry needs to know what the hell happened and enact countermeasures in order to help prevent it from reoccurring. . .
Agreed. :yes:
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on April 05, 2014, 02:20:56 PM
Kooks did it, you know she does everything else so lets blame this one on her!
Seriously, the families need answers and closure!
Agreed! :rotfl:
I know that what wasn't funny about the Kooks but I just couldn't resist!
;D
They've now found objects floating in the water about 56 miles away from the location where the ping was detected.
Quote from: Palehorse on April 05, 2014, 02:09:00 PM
Moreover, given the "breakthrough math" used in determining the flight path and projecting the potential crash site location, the area where they've discovered this signal isn't too far from the realm of statistical error margins. . . In my opinion anyway.
Right you are PH. According to this map of the last possible positions of where the plane could have been based on the satellite data, the location of the Chinese when they detected the pings is almost spot on the path of the lower arc in the map.
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/interactive/2014/03/world/malaysia-flight-map/media/mh370-possible-positions.jpg)
We haven't revisited this topic for quite some time now, and as of this date not only is there nothing to report surrounding the location of the flight in question, but now a second flight has also gone MIA in flight, with no trace being found as of this posting. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on March 17, 2014, 05:08:03 PM
Don't discount the west coast of the US as a potential "high value" target. La or Sandy especially. BOTH have nuclear reactors right along the shoreline, and a dirty bomb aboard a triple 7, when combined with a nuclear reactor as a target in LA, will provide a huge death toll initially, and send fallout across the nation via the jet stream. . .
Here's where I first put my theory out there. . . Now with the second aircraft gone one has to wonder whether or not this or some other scenario isn't exactly what some whack nut group of terrorists are plotting to do with those aircraft??? :spooked:
Quote from: Locutus on April 05, 2014, 03:26:01 PM
They've now found objects floating in the water about 56 miles away from the location where the ping was detected.
It is confirmed
One year ago. Still nothing.
Quote from: Locutus on March 07, 2015, 09:34:02 PM
One year ago. Still nothing.
And I'm still suspicious that a terrorist group hijacked that aircraft, killed the passengers, and the next time we see it, it will be laden with explosives and headed toward a high-value target on the western coast of the U.S. . . . :spooked:
Did I not hear where another Asian aircraft went down?
Quote from: Locutus on March 07, 2014, 09:17:05 PM
(CNN) -- A passenger flight carrying 239 people from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing is missing and would likely have run out of fuel, Malaysia Airlines said Saturday.
"At the moment we have no idea where this aircraft is right now," Malaysia Airlines Vice President of Operations Control Fuad Sharuji said on CNN's "AC360."
Subang Air Traffic Control lost contact with Flight MH370 at about 2:40 a.m. local time (1:40 p.m. ET Friday), Sharuji said.
"We tried to call this aircraft through various means," he said.
The Boeing 777-200 departed Kuala Lumpur International Airport at 12:41 a.m. and was expected to land in Beijing at 6:30 a.m., a 2,300-mile (3,700 kilometer) trip. It was carrying 227 passengers, two of them infants, and 12 crew members, the airline said.
At the time of its disappearance, the plane was carrying about 7.5 hours of fuel, Sharuji said.
"Malaysia Airlines is currently working with the authorities who have activated their Search and Rescue team to locate the aircraft," the statement said. The public can call +603 7884 1234 for further information.
Efforts to contact the plane were fruitless.
The airline said in a statement that its representatives were contacting the relatives of those aboard. "Focus of the airline is to work with the emergency responders and authorities and mobilize its full support," it said.
"We're closely monitoring reports on Malaysia flight MH370," Boeing said in a tweet. "Our thoughts are with everyone on board."
"It doesn't sound very good," retired American Airlines Capt. Jim Tilmon told CNN's "AC360." He noted that the route is mostly overland, which means that there would be plenty of antennae, radar and radios to contact the plane.
"I've been trying to come up with every scenario that I could just to explain this away, but I haven't been very successful."
He said the plane is "about as sophisticated as any commercial airplane could possibly be," with an excellent safety record.
There is one recent blemish: An Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 carrying 291 passengers struck a seawall at San Francisco International Airport in July 2013, killing three people and wounding dozens more.
Malaysia Airlines operates in Southeast Asia, East Asia, South Asia, the Middle East and on the route between Europe and Australasia.
The airline's roots date back to 1937, when it operated passenger and cargo flights in Malaysia.
In April 1942, it was incorporated as Malaysia Airways Limited; it later became Malaysia Airlines.
The airline has its headquarters and registered office at Sultan Abdul Aziz Shah Airport in Subang, Malaysia, and its main airline hub is at Kuala Lumpur International Airport, according to its website.
Large pieces of wreckage washed ashore at a remote island in the Indian Ocean, said to be from a Boeing 777. It appears to be debris from the missing flight 370! :eek:
. . .Apparent airplane debris found off the scoast of Reunion island, a French department in the western Indian Ocean, is being examined to see if it is connected to the 2014 disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, a member of the French air force in Reunion said Wednesday.
The debris was found off the coast of St. Andre, a community on the island, according to Adjutant Christian Retournat. . .
. . .Boeing's initial assessment of photographs suggests that apparent airplane debris is consistent in appearance with a Boeing 777's flaperon, which is a piece of the plane's wing, a source close to the investigation tells CNN. The source said there is a unique element to the Boeing 777's flaperon that observers believe they are seeing in photos as well, though the source would not disclose what that detail is. The source stressed this is preliminary. The missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 was a Boeing 777. . .
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/29/africa/mh370-debris-investigation/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/29/africa/mh370-debris-investigation/index.html)
If that's from the plane, it'll certainly put to rest the theories of the plane being flown to some remote location and still being intact.
Quote from: Locutus on July 29, 2015, 09:54:27 PM
If that's from the plane, it'll certainly put to rest the theories of the plane being flown to some remote location and still being intact.
Yes! I was one that had a deep hidden fear that that might actually be the case....it would be nice to know that it isn't the case.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 30, 2015, 12:30:54 PM
Yes! I was one that had a deep hidden fear that that might actually be the case....it would be nice to know that it isn't the case.
Agreed, however the lingering and pertinent, pressing question is how did this happen? While it is nice to know that it was indeed a crash of some sort, why it crashed is the burning issue that desperately needs answering.
I suspect we'll have some answers by years end, since the science surrounding drift patterns and travel is fairly solid and has become uncanny in being able to determine point of origin surrounding debris, bodies, etc. I would not be surprised to see that they locate this wreck by Labor day. At least I hope so. :yes:
It's been confirmed. That piece of wreckage was part of MH370.
Quote from: Locutus on August 05, 2015, 01:58:14 PM
It's been confirmed. That piece of wreckage was part of MH370.
Well, at least we can now be reasonably sure that the aircraft was not landed on a remote island, its passengers beheaded, and its interior stripped to hold explosives to be flown into a west coast nuclear power generation site. . .
:spooked:
The captain of doomed Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 selected a route that would effectively render the plane invisible on radar in order to commit suicide, experts said Sunday.