VW in Tn making good wages with a good benefit package votes against unionizing and now the liberals are crying racism?????? Give me a break those employees just flat don't want to give part of their wages to the union period. Racism???? Really?????
It is just more politics...gone sour. I think having a job at $27 an hour in wages and benefits is a good think to have in this country in this day an time. History has PROVED that the UAW would make that all go away for some hard working Americans.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 18, 2014, 11:03:19 AM
It is just more politics...gone sour. I think having a job at $27 an hour in wages and benefits is a good think to have in this country in this day an time. History has PROVED that the UAW would make that all go away for some hard working Americans.
And again Old Hawk is a liar and a Scab. His daddy was a UAW worker and dad and mother and the SCAB lived very well. :rant: Henry you don't know shit about a union and never will because of your limited brain capacity. :yes: There is more than wages when it comes to working for an auto company. :trustme:
Quote from: The Troll on February 18, 2014, 04:32:59 PM
And again Old Hawk is a liar and a Scab. His daddy was a UAW worker and dad and mother and the SCAB lived very well. :rant: Henry you don't know shit about a union and never will because of your limited brain capacity. :yes: There is more than wages when it comes to working for an auto company. :trustme:
And that has what to do with the topic???
Quote from: me on February 18, 2014, 09:58:08 AM
VW in Tn making good wages with a good benefit package votes against unionizing and now the liberals are crying racism?????? Give me a break those employees just flat don't want to give part of their wages to the union period. Racism???? Really?????
Any proof of this or is this more say it and it is so methodology?
Quote from: Palehorse on February 18, 2014, 05:31:24 PM
Any proof of this or is this more say it and it is so methodology?
Here ya go.
http://www.independentsentinel.com/shameful-msnbc-blames-failed-uaw-vote-in-tennessee-on-racism/
Huh. According to my admitted modicum of research on this topic, it would appear your article / source is nothing more than a political shill for the conservative propagandists .
Business Week, on the other hand, calls it as it is:
. . ."If the UAW couldn't win this one, what can they win? Volkswagen didn't even oppose unionization. The German carmaker likes to sponsor cooperative worker-management councils at its factories, and formal UAW participation could have facilitated that arrangement. Still, a majority of employees said they didn't want the UAW representing them. The defeat creates an enormous obstacle to labor's ambition to organize at other foreign-owned auto plants in the South. . ."
And wait, they go further:
". . .Putting ideology and campaign finance first, political conservatives can take credit for crushing the UAW in Tennessee. Republican politicians and Washington-based conservative activists such as antitax guru Grover Norquist drove the campaign to oppose unionization. These outsiders couldn't give a hoot about the working conditions or benefits available to auto workers. The conservatives want to do anything they can to diminish union muscle—especially campaign spending—in state and national elections. Bo Watson, a GOP state senator in Tennessee, articulated the scorched-earth, culture-war strategy. He condemned Volkswagen as "unfair, unbalanced, and quite frankly, un-American" for taking a neutral position on unionization. Um, Bo? Everyone knows VW is German, not American; that doesn't make the company an enemy of America. They are investing here, after all. And what exactly was unfair about letting workers decide for themselves whether or not to bring in a union? . . ."
. . ."The legacy of Detroit continues to haunt unions. One of the most potent arguments conservatives marshaled to persuade workers to vote no was that a union would bring Detroit's woes to Chattanooga and discourage local investment. Given Volkswagen's on-the-record position, the contention seems tendentious at best. But it carried the day with at least some employees. "Look at what happened to the auto manufacturers in Detroit and how they struggled. They all shared one huge factor: the UAW," Mike Jarvis, a three-year employee told the New York Times outside the Volkswagen plant. "If you look at how the UAW's membership has plunged, that shows they're doing a lot wrong.". . .
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-02-17/uaws-devastating-defeat-at-a-tennessee-volkswagen-plant-four-blunt-points (http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-02-17/uaws-devastating-defeat-at-a-tennessee-volkswagen-plant-four-blunt-points)
So, on the surface, you are doing nothing but playing right into the hands of the evil conservative racist jack-wagons that masterminded this FUBAR operation by proliferating their cover story intended to run an end around and try to make what happened look like some liberal scheme, when in reality it is nothing more than the result of a conservative propaganda campaign.
This is dangerously close to being fodder for the Lie Tracker!
Quote from: Palehorse on February 18, 2014, 06:51:38 PM
Huh. According to my admitted modicum of research on this topic, it would appear your article / source is nothing more than a political shill for the conservative propagandists .
Business Week, on the other hand, calls it as it is:
. . ."If the UAW couldn't win this one, what can they win? Volkswagen didn't even oppose unionization. The German carmaker likes to sponsor cooperative worker-management councils at its factories, and formal UAW participation could have facilitated that arrangement. Still, a majority of employees said they didn't want the UAW representing them. The defeat creates an enormous obstacle to labor's ambition to organize at other foreign-owned auto plants in the South. . ."
And wait, they go further:
". . .Putting ideology and campaign finance first, political conservatives can take credit for crushing the UAW in Tennessee. Republican politicians and Washington-based conservative activists such as antitax guru Grover Norquist drove the campaign to oppose unionization. These outsiders couldn't give a hoot about the working conditions or benefits available to auto workers. The conservatives want to do anything they can to diminish union muscle—especially campaign spending—in state and national elections. Bo Watson, a GOP state senator in Tennessee, articulated the scorched-earth, culture-war strategy. He condemned Volkswagen as "unfair, unbalanced, and quite frankly, un-American" for taking a neutral position on unionization. Um, Bo? Everyone knows VW is German, not American; that doesn't make the company an enemy of America. They are investing here, after all. And what exactly was unfair about letting workers decide for themselves whether or not to bring in a union? . . ."
. . ."The legacy of Detroit continues to haunt unions. One of the most potent arguments conservatives marshaled to persuade workers to vote no was that a union would bring Detroit's woes to Chattanooga and discourage local investment. Given Volkswagen's on-the-record position, the contention seems tendentious at best. But it carried the day with at least some employees. "Look at what happened to the auto manufacturers in Detroit and how they struggled. They all shared one huge factor: the UAW," Mike Jarvis, a three-year employee told the New York Times outside the Volkswagen plant. "If you look at how the UAW's membership has plunged, that shows they're doing a lot wrong.". . .
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-02-17/uaws-devastating-defeat-at-a-tennessee-volkswagen-plant-four-blunt-points (http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-02-17/uaws-devastating-defeat-at-a-tennessee-volkswagen-plant-four-blunt-points)
So, on the surface, you are doing nothing but playing right into the hands of the evil conservative racist jack-wagons that masterminded this FUBAR operation by proliferating their cover story intended to run an end around and try to make what happened look like some liberal scheme, when in reality it is nothing more than the result of a conservative propaganda campaign.
This is dangerously close to being fodder for the Lie Tracker!
Ok here's the Youtube link.......Happy now? http://youtu.be/7u1u7NBkz2k
Quote from: The Troll on February 18, 2014, 04:32:59 PM
And again Old Hawk is a liar and a Scab. His daddy was a UAW worker and dad and mother and the SCAB lived very well. :rant: Henry you don't know shit about a union and never will because of your limited brain capacity. :yes: There is more than wages when it comes to working for an auto company. :trustme:
Troll, I am very thankfull that General Motors provided a comfortable living for me and my folks. Yes, the UAW was at one time a very good thing.........but, WHY in the name of God, can you not CLEARLY see how they, single-handedly RUINED a good thing? THEY just kept digging for more and more and more........they (UAW) became VERY, VERY corrupt. They had a good thing, and didn't know when to stop.
I say this with every ounce of energy in my body the UAW SUCKS!!!!! I hope they go away for ever.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 19, 2014, 08:19:52 AM
Troll, I am very thankfull that General Motors provided a comfortable living for me and my folks. Yes, the UAW was at one time a very good thing.........but, WHY in the name of God, can you not CLEARLY see how they, single-handedly RUINED a good thing? THEY just kept digging for more and more and more........they (UAW) became VERY, VERY corrupt. They had a good thing, and didn't know when to stop.
I say this with every ounce of energy in my body the UAW SUCKS!!!!! I hope they go away for ever.
The UAW will win in the South one day and won't go away as you can go to hell. :devil29: