Something about his story has a ring of truth to it. (http://hiphopandpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/fired-lapd-officer-shoots-3-fellow-cops-killing-one-releases-manifesto-exposing-corruption/)
That's a very compelling story unfolding out there.
It's like a Denzel movie!
Indeed it is! ;D
Quote from: Exterminator on February 07, 2013, 12:48:24 PM
Something about his story has a ring of truth to it. (http://hiphopandpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/fired-lapd-officer-shoots-3-fellow-cops-killing-one-releases-manifesto-exposing-corruption/)
I don't doubt his story in anyway. The Blue Code is live and well. This cop abuse and cop killing of civilians is rampant in the country. These California cops have shot two women delivering newspapers and a man because they were driving a truck of the same color of the man they are wanting. :rant:
What is so bad is, these cops get by with this behavior every day, every week, all of the time. When is the American people going to stand up against this paramilitary police force. The cops have more killing power than some of our troops in Afghanistan. Don't believe me, just watch "Dade County Swat. :rant:
I find it hilarious to see the on air analysis of psychologists who think they know this guy and "now" say he is clearly psychotic and possessing a brain disorder.
And yet, the USN and LAPD both administered psych exams to this man and found him fit to be trained to kill, trained to command, and trained to use weapons to kill with extreme prejudice. One has to ask themselves why it is that if these on air psychologists know so much then just why is it they aren't the ones administering these pre-employment psych exams on military and law enforcement candidates? (Because they know NOTHING)
The sad part in all of this is the fact that the LAPD has a very bad reputation that runs back for decades, and that alone lends credibility to this guy's 6,000 page "manifesto". The general public on the left coast has an adversarial relationship with law enforcement at best, and it really doesn't matter if this guys claims are valid or not, because in the eyes of the victims of LAPD's historic abuse of the public and the law, this guy is a modern day Robin Hood out to right the injustices wrought upon them for decades.
There is a sector of the civilian population that will aid and abet this guys efforts and actually take pleasure in watching his victims "bleed out on the ground because it is the paramedics job to help them", as he put it. And if even one scintilla of truth is discovered within his allegations toward LAPD then the ranks of his support group will grow exponentially to the point where he will then command a legion of like minded people that are willing to wage a bloody war on all of law enforcement.
If what this man alleges is indeed true, and it very well may be for all I know, it still does not validate his actions, does not give him the right to indiscriminately kill law enforcement officers and their families, does not impact the wrongs done to him in any way, shape, or form. All it does is make people dead, and in the end will bring his death. And what good will come of any of it?
It will stimulate the funeral business in the area for a short while, and open up a few jobs along the way, but that is about it.
I cannot wait to see how the media, gun grabbers, and congress will spin this one. :rolleyes:
I wonder how many cops he's going to be able to kill before they catch him. So far, he's proven smarter than they are.
Quote from: Locutus on February 08, 2013, 01:20:03 AM
I wonder how many cops he's going to be able to kill before they catch him. So far, he's proven smarter than they are.
If he has had the training I suspect he has had, then there will be several more Harvested before the get him.
I would bet he has several vehicles at his disposal, and an armory as well. . .
What do you make of the burned out car that they found earlier tonight in the rugged area east of Los Angeles? Some say he left that there as a diversionary tactic, and has left that area already. They've also found signs of him as far south as San Diego.
Quote from: Locutus on February 08, 2013, 01:25:25 AM
What do you make of the burned out car that they found earlier tonight in the rugged area east of Los Angeles? Some say he left that there as a diversionary tactic, and has left that area already. They've also found signs of him as far south as San Diego.
No doubt it was a diversion. And a tactic he will continue to use in order to move cops to the areas he WANTS them in. Clearly he has transport they are not aware of and is very mobile. He burned the truck they were looking for because he wants them nervous and scared. (Mission accomplished as evidenced by the fact they are shooting civilians in pickup trucks without visual confirmation of it being "the " vehicle or occupants.)
And the more they do this kind of thing the more it plays into his hand.
LAPD had better hope he doesn't get into the media with his message. It would seem he has insider information and if he indeed does, it is information LAPD does not want out there. And he is a dead man walking no matter what transpires.
He has been schooled in military tactics by both the police and the military itself. He has been battle tested as well, so this is their worst case scenario becoming reality. :yes:
The other thing is he seems to be using the cover of night with which to execute his strikes. He has started at midnight to 2AM, and I am guessing his next strike will happen near 4AM, plus or minus an hour. Then he'll go underground for a bit to watch them squirm. . .
I really look forward to discussing this as the events unfold. This reminds me of the DC snipers and their operations in and around Washington about a decade ago.
For those who haven't read it, here's a link to his full, and very lengthy manifesto. It's posted on KTLA's website with some names redacted.
http://ktla.com/2013/02/07/read-christopher-dorners-so-called-manifesto/#axzz2KEvDEfwJ
Quote from: Palehorse on February 08, 2013, 01:45:59 AM
The other thing is he seems to be using the cover of night with which to execute his strikes. He has started at midnight to 2AM, and I am guessing his next strike will happen near 4AM, plus or minus an hour. Then he'll go underground for a bit to watch them squirm. . .
I agree. Like I said before, it's very reminiscent of the sniper incidents in DC. An entire population was on edge. Only in this case, it's not the general population, but a population of police officers who are on edge and targeted.
Quote from: Locutus on February 08, 2013, 01:49:26 AM
I agree. Like I said before, it's very reminiscent of the sniper incidents in DC. An entire population was on edge. Only in this case, it's not the general population, but a population of police officers who are on edge and targeted.
Indeed. Their families as well. And I will not be surprised to see other like minded individuals with an axe to grind with LAPD begin using this as an opportunity to invoke anarchy. My guess is if they do not get this guy in short order, the National Guard will be brought into play. :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on February 08, 2013, 01:55:01 AM
Indeed. Their families as well. And I will not be surprised to see other like minded individuals with an axe to grind with LAPD begin using this as an opportunity to invoke anarchy. My guess is if they do not get this guy in short order, the National Guard will be brought into play. :yes:
I think they're going to have a hard time getting him. He's one of them, and he knows their tactics and strategies. He could terrorize law enforcement in that area for a long time before they catch him.
From the closing of his manifesto. :spooked: :spooked:
The Violence of action will be HIGH. I am the reason TAC alert was established. I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in LAPD uniform whether on or off duty. ISR is my strength and your weakness. You will now live the life of the prey. Your RD's and homes away from work will be my AO and battle space. I will utilize every tool within INT collections that I learned from NMITC in Dam Neck. You have misjudged a sleeping giant. There is no conventional threat assessment for me. JAM, New Ba'ath party, 1920 rev BGE, ACM, AAF, AQAP, AQIM and AQIZ have nothing on me. Do not deploy airships or gunships. SA-7 Manpads will be waiting. As you know I also own Barrett .50′s so your APC are defunct and futile.
You better have all your officers radio/phone muster (code 1) on or off duty every hour, on the hour.
Do not attempt to shadow or conduct any type of ISR on me. I have the inventory listing of all UC vehicles at Piper Tech and the home addresses of any INT analyst at JRIC and detachment locations. My POA is always POI and always true. This will be a war of attrition and a Pyrrhic and Camdean Victory for myself. You may have the resources and manpower but you are reactive and predictable in your op plans and TTP's. I have the strength and benefits of being unpredictable, unconventional, and unforgiving. Do not waste your time with briefs and tabletops.
Quote from: Locutus on February 08, 2013, 01:58:04 AM
I think they're going to have a hard time getting him. He's one of them, and he knows their tactics and strategies. He could terrorize law enforcement in that area for a long time before they catch him.
Yeah they could. It just depends on his support system and how well it plays out. I cannot see it going beyond 30 days at the max, but you cannot tell. He has had 3 years to plan and set things up for this. If he did so in the manner in which he has been trained it could go on for months. . . :spooked:
Quote from: Locutus on February 08, 2013, 02:00:35 AM
From the closing of his manifesto. :spooked: :spooked:
The Violence of action will be HIGH. I am the reason TAC alert was established. I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in LAPD uniform whether on or off duty. ISR is my strength and your weakness. You will now live the life of the prey. Your RD's and homes away from work will be my AO and battle space. I will utilize every tool within INT collections that I learned from NMITC in Dam Neck. You have misjudged a sleeping giant. There is no conventional threat assessment for me. JAM, New Ba'ath party, 1920 rev BGE, ACM, AAF, AQAP, AQIM and AQIZ have nothing on me. Do not deploy airships or gunships. SA-7 Manpads will be waiting. As you know I also own Barrett .50′s so your APC are defunct and futile.
You better have all your officers radio/phone muster (code 1) on or off duty every hour, on the hour.
Do not attempt to shadow or conduct any type of ISR on me. I have the inventory listing of all UC vehicles at Piper Tech and the home addresses of any INT analyst at JRIC and detachment locations. My POA is always POI and always true. This will be a war of attrition and a Pyrrhic and Camdean Victory for myself. You may have the resources and manpower but you are reactive and predictable in your op plans and TTP's. I have the strength and benefits of being unpredictable, unconventional, and unforgiving. Do not waste your time with briefs and tabletops.
If he has those A7's he can do some very severe damage !! (Amazing the level of armament military personnel can amass within their personal collections). And a Barrett 50 is lethal as hell from a long way off. . . :spooked:
Quote from: Palehorse on February 08, 2013, 02:13:52 AM
If he has those A7's he can do some very severe damage !! (Amazing the level of armament military personnel can amass within their personal collections). And a Barrett 50 is lethal as hell from a long way off. . . :spooked:
2,000 yards for the Barrett. :yes:
He has to have a final stand planned for somewhere; perhaps in and around a bunker of sorts. That's where most of his armaments will be located. I just wonder where that's going to be.
I have no doubt he's going to go down in the end. I just wonder how many other officers he's going to be able to take out before that happens.
I am just now geting up to speed on this story. WOW!
If you take him for his word, it is compelling.
I guess we sit and wait to see if there is going to be a next move.
Is it wrong that I'm rooting for the guy?
Quote from: Exterminator on February 08, 2013, 09:28:41 AM
Is it wrong that I'm rooting for the guy?
I had the same discussion with a co-worker. Hearing HIS side is compelling. At the least, I think we ARE talking about a Denzel Movie.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 08, 2013, 09:32:12 AM
I had the same discussion with a co-worker. Hearing HIS side is compelling. At the least, I think we ARE talking about a Denzel Movie.
Denzel might be a little old for the part but someone will make this into a movie.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 08, 2013, 09:33:26 AM
Denzel might be a little old for the part but someone will make this into a movie.
Okay, I got to looking around...
Cuba Gooding has a brother named Omar who is an actor.....he looks like a good match for the part....
(http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTYxMDIxOTI0NV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwMTY5MjIz._V1._SY209_CR0,0,140,209_.jpg)
Omar Gooding
(http://www.trbimg.com/img-51146f59/turbine/la-me-manhunt-ex-lapd-officer-pictures/186/186x105)
Christopher Jordan Dorner
Quote from: Exterminator on February 08, 2013, 09:28:41 AM
Is it wrong that I'm rooting for the guy?
I have to admit that rooting for him crossed my mind too. The LA Police Department has a long history of corruption and it's coming back around at them now.
Un-edited version of his manifesto. (http://pastebin.com/TAzPRfPy) Lots of stuff was omitted at the end of the one published previously.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 08, 2013, 09:28:41 AM
Is it wrong that I'm rooting for the guy?
Take him out with a drone strike.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 08, 2013, 11:35:22 AM
Un-edited version of his manifesto. (http://pastebin.com/TAzPRfPy) Lots of stuff was omitted at the end of the one published previously.
I've been looking all over the Internet for that. Thanks for sharing.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 08, 2013, 09:28:41 AM
Is it wrong that I'm rooting for the guy?
Quote from: Locutus on February 08, 2013, 11:07:10 AM
I have to admit that rooting for him crossed my mind too. The LA Police Department has a long history of corruption and it's coming back around at them now.
And there you have it. If individuals that are separated from the theater can sympathize with this man, just how rampant do you think it will be for those who have been actually living there and enduring the jack booted thuggary of LAPD?
I'm telling you, if they do not stop this man quickly he will "command" a legion of like-minded individuals and civil war will arise. :yes:
I see where they've deployed thousands of personnel on the ground and in the air to look for this guy. I am guessing we will soon see an A7 in use before much longer. Especially if they happen to get close to his location at some point.
I really wonder where he is at this point. If he's as smart as I think he is, he's nowhere near the location where they're searching intensely.
Quote from: Palehorse on February 08, 2013, 12:36:28 PM
And there you have it. If individuals that are separated from the theater can sympathize with this man, just how rampant do you think it will be for those who have been actually living there and enduring the jack booted thuggary of LAPD?
I'm telling you, if they do not stop this man quickly he will "command" a legion of like-minded individuals and civil war will arise. :yes:
I see where they've deployed thousands of personnel on the ground and in the air to look for this guy. I am guessing we will soon see an A7 in use before much longer. Especially if they happen to get close to his location at some point.
Some seem to agree with you PH.
Los Angeles (CNN) -- Arguably the most wanted man in America, fired police Officer Christopher Jordan Dorner may well be in hiding -- plotting his next move after allegedly killing three people. Officers toting high-powered weapons fanned out Friday across thousands of square miles, searching for their former colleague.
Some in the public are even calling him a hero.http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/08/us/lapd-attacks/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Quote from: Palehorse on February 08, 2013, 12:36:28 PM
And there you have it. If individuals that are separated from the theater can sympathize with this man, just how rampant do you think it will be for those who have been actually living there and enduring the jack booted thuggary of LAPD?
I'm telling you, if they do not stop this man quickly he will "command" a legion of like-minded individuals and civil war will arise. :yes:
I see where they've deployed thousands of personnel on the ground and in the air to look for this guy. I am guessing we will soon see an A7 in use before much longer. Especially if they happen to get close to his location at some point.
I think he will be stopped. Despite his reasons (and I completely understand his logic and motives), he is still DEAD wrong.
Quote from: Locutus on February 08, 2013, 12:39:25 PM
I really wonder where he is at this point. If he's as smart as I think he is, he's nowhere near the location where they're searching intensely.
Of course he isn't.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 08, 2013, 12:49:40 PM
I think he will be stopped. Despite his reasons (and I completely understand his logic and motives), he is still DEAD wrong.
Of course he will eventually be stopped. He's
way outnumbered. However, he can still kill a lot more people before that happens.
I keep drawing parallels to the D.C. snipers. I think this will play out similarly. There will be a day, maybe two, of activity on his part targeting people, followed by several days of a lull where he goes back into hiding to plot his next moves.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 08, 2013, 12:49:40 PM
I think he will be stopped.
Of course he will...eventually.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 08, 2013, 12:53:55 PM
Of course he isn't.
And if you think about it, that was a smart move to take his car there to Bear Mountain and torch it. It actually may have been a move to help the public as well. There were two reports yesterday of jittery cops with itchy trigger fingers shooting at people who were driving that type of vehicle. I have to wonder if by torching his car, he was trying to stop that kind of crap from happening.
I am seeing this more as a "Die Hard" spin off; die hard - die with a vengeance 2.
Ole' Duke hopes folks has in their possession the appropriate gun to fend this crazy feller off.
Duke (guns are dangerous- folks are crazy) Jupiter
TORRANCE (CBSLA.com) — The two women who were mistakenly shot by LAPD officers searching for triple murder suspect Christopher Dorner Thursday said they had no warning beforehand, according to the victims' lawyer.
Attorney Glen Jonas said Maggie Carranza, 47, and her mother, 71-year-old Emma Hernandez, were delivering Los Angeles Times newspapers around 5:15 a.m. in Torrance when the officers opened fire on their vehicle.
Jonas said, "There was no warning. There were no orders. No commands. Just gunshots."
A patrol unit was reportedly assigned to protect the home of a high-ranking LAPD officer during the manhunt for 33-year-old Dorner, who is believed to have killed a Riverside cop Thursday and an Irvine couple Sunday.
In a news conference, Police Chief Charlie Beck said the officers thought the women's royal blue Toyota Tacoma matched the description of Dorner's dark-colored Nissan pickup truck.
"Tragically, we believe this was a case of mistaken identity by the officers," said Beck.
Jonas finds that hard to believe.
"The vehicle is a different color. The license plate doesn't match. There's nothing there for you to start shooting people. And even if they had the person in question... Mr. Dorner...you still have to give them an opportunity to get out. You can't just start administering street justice," said Jonas.
Carranza suffered minor injuries to her hand from shattering glass.
Hernandez, who was shot in the back, is in ICU at Harbor-UCLA Medical Center.
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/07/2-innocent-women-shot-during-manhunt-for-ex-cop-chris-dorner-had-no-warning/#at_pco=cfd-1.0
:mad: :mad:
Jittery cops with itchy trigger fingers randomly shooting at people driving a similar car. One is now in ICU because of it.
This just goes to show, depending on which cops get their hands on him first, he may never see the inside of a courtroom. I guarantee you he won't be taken alive, but even if he were to allow himself to be taken alive, the cops are showing that they have no intention of that being the case.
Quote from: Locutus on February 08, 2013, 10:31:32 PM
:mad: :mad:
Jittery cops with itchy trigger fingers randomly shooting at people driving a similar car. One is now in ICU because of it.
This just goes to show, depending on which cops get their hands on him first, he may never see the inside of a courtroom. I guarantee you he won't be taken alive, but even if he were to allow himself to be taken alive, the cops are showing that they have no intention of that being the case.
Yup. That is one of the incidents I was talking about yesterday. That will garner him even more support if they keep it up!
There are a few Facebook pages already set up in support of him.
https://www.facebook.com/search/results.php?q=Christopher%20Dorner&init=quick&tas=0.03275697853169446
Quote from: Locutus on February 08, 2013, 10:56:12 PM
There are a few Facebook pages already set up in support of him.
https://www.facebook.com/search/results.php?q=Christopher%20Dorner&init=quick&tas=0.03275697853169446
It begins. . .
The lame ending to this is: they find him in a tree where he used one of those "30 weapons" to take his own life. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on February 09, 2013, 12:19:31 AM
It begins. . .
The lame ending to this is: they find him in a tree where he used one of those "30 weapons" to take his own life. . .
That's certainly not outside the realm of possibility at all, but I think he's too good for that. I'm waiting for his next strike! He's nowhere near Big Bear Lake, and police sources have already said that the footprints show that he doubled back toward town after torching the truck. If he headed back toward the town, you can guarantee he had a means of transportation with which to exit that area entirely.
Quote from: Locutus on February 09, 2013, 12:28:12 AM
That's certainly not outside the realm of possibility at all, but I think he's too good for that. I'm waiting for his next strike! He's nowhere near Big Bear Lake, and police sources have already said that the footprints show that he doubled back toward town after torching the truck. If he headed back toward the town, you can guarantee he had a means of transportation with which to exit that area entirely.
Likely a stolen means of transportation from one of those cabins. . .
This blizzard has pushed the manhunt to the back burner in the national news coverage.
Quote from: Locutus on February 09, 2013, 11:52:19 AM
This blizzard has pushed the manhunt to the back burner in the national news coverage.
Had the same thought while reading it this morning. . .
Clearly he was not int he mountains, which was fairly obvious to most of us here. So that begs the question; where is he now?
My guess is that he is laying in wait for his next victim(s).
I believe this guy will go out in flames while taking a lot of others with him.
It's going to be just like the snipers. A few days of lull, followed by another strike or strikes, followed by another lull.
He's definitely going to strike again. It's just a matter of when and where it happens.
Nemo 6 - Dorner 3.
Nemo is ahead surrounding confirmed kills. :icon_twisted:
Quote from: Palehorse on February 09, 2013, 03:10:49 PM
Nemo 6 - Dorner 3.
Nemo is ahead surrounding confirmed kills. :icon_twisted:
;D
The city of Los Angeles is offering a $1 million award for the arrest and conviction of Dorner.
Here's a copy of a federal complaint alleging unlawful flight to avoid prosecution.
Quote from: Locutus on February 10, 2013, 05:24:05 PM
The city of Los Angeles is offering a $1 million award for the arrest and conviction of Dorner.
Dead or alive?
Quote from: Exterminator on February 10, 2013, 06:42:43 PM
Dead or alive?
Well to be polite, they used the words "arrest and conviction," but I dare say the LAPD has other plans for him. I don't think that guy is going to be seeing the inside of a jail or a courtroom.
In that federal complaint, it seems that he told the guy he tried to steal the boat from in San Diego that he was heading to Mexico. Also, it mentions a call was made to the father of the young lady that was killed that originated in Washington state. I don't think anyone has a clue where the guy is or is going, but I hope he doesn't try and escape the country. That would seriously disappoint me after all of the threats he's made to wage asymmetrical war, etc.
Quote from: Locutus on February 10, 2013, 07:08:22 PM
...but I hope he doesn't try and escape the country. That would seriously disappoint me after all of the threats he's made to wage asymmetrical war, etc.
I know; right? He owes us some more carnage or this movie will suck! :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on February 10, 2013, 09:06:35 PM
I know; right? He owes us some more carnage or this movie will suck! :biggrin:
More carnage indeed!! :biggrin:
The LAPD is trigger happy. They shot a 71 year old women and another man who was much shorter and much lighter and WHITE!.
Quote from: RC on February 11, 2013, 10:51:41 AM
The LAPD is trigger happy. They shot a 71 year old women and another man who was much shorter and much lighter and WHITE!.
I know!! :mad:
It's unbelievable!! They're throwing caution to the wind because they're the ones in the crosshairs this time.
This guy either has a lot of patience or he has fled to Canada, eh?
BTW. . . LL Cool Jay is the one playing Dorner in the movie. . .
I hope not. I would be seriously disappointed.
^^ That "I hope not" meant I hope he hasn't fled.
I'm perfectly fine with L.L. Cool Jay. ;D
;D
Reports are coming in that...Two San Bernardino County Sheriff's deputies have been shot while pursuing a carjacking and home-invasion suspect in the Angelus Oaks area of Big Bear.
A law enforcement source confirms to the Associated Press that the assailant is triple-murder suspect Christopher Dorner.
Live coverage on CNN and FOX. They are saying they have him pinned down.
This is going to be disappointing if it comes down to this scenario.
It's not him. I'd bet on it.
It is starting to sound like it is indeed him. They found a sniper rifle and smoke grenades in the stolen vehicle. The house is on fire. Shots are being exchanged as I post this. 1 of 2 officers shot today has died.
I am constantly amazed at the ability of reporters to come up with the most ridiculous questions when events like these are unfolding.
Christopher Dorner :reap: HARVESTED :reap:
So much for the movie.
Quote from: Locutus on February 12, 2013, 10:17:54 PM
Christopher Dorner :reap: HARVESTED :reap:
So much for the movie.
:confused: What a sad story.
Quote from: libby on February 12, 2013, 10:22:32 PM
:confused: What a sad story.
I honestly didn't think he was anywhere near that area. I'm actually surprised. In the end, he was all bluster.
Yeah. This just went from a die hard sequel to a lifetime movie.
... or no movie at all.
Another interesting point to be made in all this is that he had declared war on the L.A. Police Department, but in the end, he didn't kill a single one of their officers.
Yes, he imagined himself a victim and managed to kill four people who had done absolutely nothing to him.
WTF????
[Updated at 11:13 p.m. ET] Los Angeles police are now contradicting media reports that a body was found in the cabin.
No such thing was found in the cabin, a Los Angeles Police Department spokesman told reporters moments ago, because cabin is still burning and is too hot to search.
The spokesman said the LAPD will continue to protect the LAPD officers that Dorner – accused of targeting police officers because he the LAPD fired him in 2008 – allegedly identified as potential threats in a letter made public last week.
I still think they're going to find his remains in there, but the media outlets need to get their story straight before releasing erroneous information.
Quote from: Locutus on February 12, 2013, 11:39:36 PM
I still think they're going to find his remains in there, but the media outlets need to get their story straight before releasing erroneous information.
No kidding. Jeebus, in the race to be "first to report the facts" they are making shit up! :mad:
They probably will find a body in there, but I'm finding it hard to accept that it was Dorner. I mean, he was trained to be a very resourceful individual, to elude detection and create diversions. Why/how does an individual like that forget all their training and throw caution to the wind by trying to jack a car in broad daylight?
Given that he was within 20 miles of where they found his truck, and was within an area of mostly cabins that are only transiently occupied, whomever this was could have been anybody. It could have been some meth-head or something. And it could have been Dorner too.
We have to assume that whomever it was, the individual had a build and skin color that he shared with Dorner; as do millions of people. And Dorner already demonstrated that he could fire accurately under fire, and with deadly intention. Not so much with the reported DNR Officers that first encountered him; and marginally so with the SB Cops he shot after barricading himself in the first cabin.
The person moved cabins afte that, but I have to believe Dorner would have done a better job at getting somewhere that wouldn't have limited his options if forced into an altercation. If it was him he had plenty of time to recon the area and work out options / lay diversions. But didn't? That doesn't play quite right with me.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they find NO body in that cabin. And if that indeed ends up being the case then I would be a lot more accepting of it actually having been Dorner.
If they indeed find a body and it proves to be Dorner, then the psych analysis has to evaluate why he disregarded everything he was trained to do in the end. He most certainly did not follow his training and in fact it would appear intentionally chose not to.
Well news reports were that the police were tearing down walls of the cabin one by one. When they were about to complete that operation, they heard a single gun shot.
I doubt that some random carjacker or meth head would have taken such action. I really think it was Dorner at this point. And I also agree with you, it was pretty stupid to try and jack a car in broad daylight. That's asking to get caught especially knowing that the cops were intensely concentrating their search on that area.
Quote from: Locutus on February 13, 2013, 12:16:21 AM
Well news reports were that the police were tearing down walls of the cabin one by one. When they were about to complete that operation, they heard a single gun shot.
I doubt that some random carjacker or meth head would have taken such action. I really think it was Dorner at this point. And I also agree with you, it was pretty stupid to try and jack a car in broad daylight. That's asking to get caught especially knowing that the cops were intensely concentrating their search on that area.
If it was him then it is pretty clear that he was no where near in possession of the mind-set he had been trained to have under pressure. And likely not in possession of his correct mind. (Which one assumes is the case when any individual goes on a killing rampage in the first place).
Quote from: Anne on February 12, 2013, 11:15:22 PM
Yes, he imagined himself a victim and managed to kill four people who had done absolutely nothing to him.
In "his" world, he killed the daughter of the individual that had failed to properly represent him in his grievances with LAPD, and her fiancé. Spot on.
In "his" world he had declared war upon LAPD, and killed officers that stood in the way of him furthering his objectives; remediating obstacles that stood in the way of his objectives. (And high on that list of objectives was remaining at large and alive. remember he had "in his world" warned all law enforcement to not stand in his way or risk being targeted).
Given LAPD's demonstrated penchant for knee jerk reactions, I would not be surprised to find out the man they, SB, roasted in that cabin today was NOT Dorner.
The fact is he killed an innocent woman. He is nuts and needs to be "harvested". I hope the DID get him. Four DEAD because of him. He had a grudge against the LAPD, so he was going to take it out on the innocent.
Sure his manifesto sounded good. He perhaps had very good reasons for despising the LAPD. But, NEVER, killing innocent people is an excuse or does it justify his actions.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 13, 2013, 08:20:41 AM
The fact is he killed an innocent woman. He is nuts and needs to be "harvested". . . .
So now it is okay to summarily execute human beings that are "nuts"?
Quote from: Palehorse on February 13, 2013, 11:18:08 AM
So now it is okay to summarily execute human beings that are "nuts"?
Yep!
Quote from: Exterminator on February 13, 2013, 11:31:05 AM
Then you'd better watch your back! :biggrin:
As long as I am hanging out with YOU guys, I will blend right in, and my chances are much better....:biggrin:
If the media is to be believed, and I am in no way saying that this is the case, they have an eye witness law-enforcement officer that was "carjacked" face-to-face and positively identified the man they roasted yesterday as Chris Dorner.
Moreover, and again according to the media, they have audio tape of law enforcement during the incident that indicates they intentionally used gas on the individual holed up in that cabin, knowing it would set the structure on fire and intending to burn it down with him inside.
Here's the police audio of the shoot out. (http://www.lawofficer.com/video/news/audio-big-bear-shootout)
Here's where they decide to burn down the cabin. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqybEfy9w)
Quote from: Exterminator on February 13, 2013, 12:01:23 PM
Here's where they decide to burn down the cabin. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqybEfy9w)
Old western style justice. . . They might as well have just got a rope and lynched him.
I told my wife when they first got him surrounded they were going to burn down the house. :yes: This guy was a good shot and was armed as good as the cops were. :yes:
I told her that the cops will handle the situation just the same way they did with the armed Back Panthers, when they burned down a whole block. :yes: The cops won't make a dynamic entrance when the person they want is armed good. :yes:
What I want to know is, who is going to pay for the house the cops planned and ententally burned down. I knew the cops wouldn't take him alive. :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on February 13, 2013, 02:17:21 PM
I told my wife when they first got him surrounded they were going to burn down the house. :yes: This guy was a good shot and was armed as good as the cops were. :yes:
I told her that the cops will handle the situation just the same way they did with the armed Back Panthers, when they burned down a whole block. :yes: The cops won't make a dynamic entrance when the person they want is armed good. :yes:
What I want to know is, who is going to pay for the house the cops planned and ententally burned down. I knew the cops wouldn't take him alive. :rant:
why should they? I bet he HAD his opportunity to come out, he chose not to. It was Doner who said "I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare" to the LAPD. I just hope it was him who got fried. Like I said all along, I could understand his pain and his dislike for the LAPD. He may have had very good reasons to be upset.
But,
He killed innocent people. He said he would kill more. He HAD to be stopped. They stopped him (allegedly).
They should have used a drone.
What's the difference?
Quote from: followsthewolf on February 13, 2013, 03:18:24 PM
They should have used a drone.
What's the difference?
Hey, drones don't kill people....the government does.
I just made that up!!!! :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 13, 2013, 03:00:40 PM
why should they? I bet he HAD his opportunity to come out, he chose not to.
Are you suggesting that from now on anytime anyone barricades himself inside a house, the proper response should be to burn it down?
Quote from: Exterminator on February 13, 2013, 03:26:48 PM
Are you suggesting that from now on anytime anyone barricades himself inside a house, the proper response should be to burn it down?
I'm not suggesting anything. I'm saying he had his chance to come out. He must have refuesed. How they got him, was made by the authorities. But, they got him. I don't know if it was right or wrong, I was not there in the heat of the moment.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 13, 2013, 03:39:06 PM
Actually, you are.
Perhaps I am suggesting something but not necessarily anytime anyone barricades himself inside a house, the proper response should be to burn it down. That is up to the authorities to act in a way that resolves the situation with the fewest casualities.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 13, 2013, 03:42:03 PM
Perhaps I am suggesting something but not necessarily anytime anyone barricades himself inside a house, the proper response should be to burn it down. That is up to the authorities to act in a way that resolves the situation with the fewest casualities.
Normally they take cover, wait and try to negotiate with the suspect.
Another crazy man met his destiny.
Best regards,
Duke (one less crazy rascal on the street) Jupiter
Huh... (http://www.scribd.com/doc/125027919/Joe-Jones-Manifesto)
Quote from: Exterminator on February 13, 2013, 12:01:23 PM
Here's where they decide to burn down the cabin. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqybEfy9w)
Compare that audio to what appears to be an obvious lie by the Sheriff.
Although the canisters included pyrotechnic tear gas, which generates heat, "We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out," McMahon said.http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/13/us/lapd-manhunt/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
It sure sounded to me from that audio clip that they knew damn well they were going to burn down the cabin, and the San Bernardino County Sheriff is now lying his ass off.
Quote from: Locutus on February 13, 2013, 09:44:45 PM
It sure sounded to me from that audio clip that they knew damn well they were going to burn down the cabin, and the San Bernardino County Sheriff is now lying his ass off.
Absolutely ! I guess they must have got the real estate value of that cabin back and now they realize they're on the hook for ( minimum) $250k plus the contents. That home / cabin was built in the 20's and likely held some historical significance / value, which they gave zero consideration to. Not to mention going rogue and throwing SOP out the window surrounding negotiation / due process.
I wonder how many people would be cheering if it were their son who was tried, convicted, and sentenced to be burned Alive on national tevision, without the constitutionally guaranteed right to due process?
Quote from: Locutus on February 13, 2013, 09:44:45 PM
It sure sounded to me from that audio clip that they knew damn well they were going to burn down the cabin, and the San Bernardino County Sheriff is now lying his ass off.
You're damn right, those damn cops were going to burn down that house. Even tho they had a small armored tank there. I seen it go by on a trailer on TV. :rant:
I wonder how Dick Henry would like his house burnt down with all of his earthly goods if some criminal had took it over to make his last stand. You know Henry is really a sick person. I just can't believe he thinks the way he does. :mad: :rant: I really think he needs to see a shrink. :knife: :jester:
Listen starting at 1:00 into the audio that Exterminator provided:
Quote from: Exterminator on February 13, 2013, 12:01:23 PM
Here's where they decide to burn down the cabin. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqybEfy9w)
We're going to go forward with the plan; with the burn.Now look at what CNN is quoting the Sheriff as saying.
Although the canisters included pyrotechnic tear gas, which generates heat, "We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out," McMahon said.^^ That's a flat out lie.
Quote from: Locutus on February 13, 2013, 10:30:22 PM
Listen starting at 1:00 into the audio that Exterminator provided:
We're going to go forward with the plan; with the burn.
Now look at what CNN is quoting the Sheriff as saying.
Although the canisters included pyrotechnic tear gas, which generates heat, "We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out," McMahon said.
^^ That's a flat out lie.
Fucking damage control. Their blood was up because they had two of their own put down, and they were going to kill this SOB no matter what. . . :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on February 13, 2013, 11:51:27 PM
Fucking damage control. Their blood was up because they had two of their own put down, and they were going to kill this SOB no matter what. . . :yes:
And lie about it after the fact.
Quote from: Locutus on February 13, 2013, 11:59:22 PM
And lie about it after the fact.
SO. . . how ironic is it that in their actions to silence Dorner they prove one of his foundational accusations? :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on February 14, 2013, 12:09:28 AM
SO. . . how ironic is it that in their actions to silence Dorner they prove one of his foundational accusations? :yes:
:wink:
My thoughts exactly my friend. My thoughts exactly.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 13, 2013, 03:42:03 PM
Perhaps I am suggesting something but not necessarily anytime anyone barricades himself inside a house, the proper response should be to burn it down. That is up to the authorities to act in a way that resolves the situation with the fewest casualities.
Send in the drones.
Quote from: Locutus on February 13, 2013, 09:43:41 PM
Compare that audio to what appears to be an obvious lie by the Sheriff.
Although the canisters included pyrotechnic tear gas, which generates heat, "We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out," McMahon said.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/13/us/lapd-manhunt/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Seems that has been taken down now.
Just goes to show you how the media takes off with just basic information:
Those "housekeepers" were a man and woman who owned the cabin that Dorner was holed up in. He came out of the room when they arrived and told them not to worry he was not going to harm them. He told them he had nothing against them at all. He then tied them up, took their car, and left.
So all of that housekeeper shit was crap. Including that interview local news sources aired with a guy who had a friend/relative that had been tied up while housekeeping. . . :rolleyes:
There is no journalism, only sensationalism! :rant:
Quote from: me on February 14, 2013, 06:49:54 AM
Seems that has been taken down now.
It's still there, and they're still lying about it. :rolleyes: Here's more:
"SAN BERNARDINO, California (Reuters) - Sheriff's deputies who believed they had cornered a fugitive ex-cop in the mountains above Los Angeles did not purposely torch a cabin where a nine-day manhunt ended, but the deputies may have ignited the blaze by firing tear gas, officials said on Wednesday."http://news.yahoo.com/fugitive-ex-los-angeles-cop-believed-dead-gun-013116568.html
^^ From the recording that Exterminator provided, the above is a flat out fucking lie.
They clearly said:
"We're going to go forward with the plan; with the burn."
Heads should roll over this, but instead they'll pat each other on the back, pin medals on each other, and smoke cigars!
Quote from: Locutus on February 14, 2013, 01:45:51 PM
^^ From the recording that Exterminator provided, the above is a flat out fucking lie.
They clearly said:
"We're going to go forward with the plan; with the burn."
YEP, the burn, just like Waco, the Black Panthers, Ruby Ridge and now this. Killer cops in action. It's all of the Paramilitary training of our cops. Just look at them, how they dress, helmets, masks, military boots, bullet proof vest, tanks, armored cars, machine guns and chemical weapons which is illegal in war. All of this to keep the citizens in their place. You can see the disrespect in how they treat everyone. :rant:
Oh, and the meat they BBQ'd was indeed Dorner. . . They knew it, and they had cart blanche to end him however they saw fit. And to lie about it afterwards. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Cops have killed more people on U.S. soil than drones ever have anywhere. Sometimes it is justified and follows SOP. Sometimes it does not. The difference is that when it does not those who do so should be held accountable, and in this case I highly doubt it will come to pass.
This whole thing really sucks. The LAPD I am quite certain has its share of corruption. Yet it does not mean all LAPD cops are corrupt or bad guys. Doner may have had damn good reasons to be pissed. Killing innocent cops is wrong. Making this guy out as some sort of folk hero is a repulsive to me.
I think the LAPD blew it. I understand THEIR frustrations too. When a guy kills a cop, they rally around one another and want that guy dead. The brotherhood kicks in. I think they could have handled it differently and still had the same outcome with a dead Doner. They over reacted and apparently are lying about it.
As I said this whole thing sucks.
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