...ever since Obama won his bid for a second term as President of the United States! :biggrin:
Everyone is waiting for the other shoe to drop.
I've got nothing.... :no: ......but a broken spirit. :no:
Give me a few more days...............weeks.........months.....heck, four years!
Quote from: Anne on November 12, 2012, 03:43:18 PM
Everyone is waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Yeah, I know...it's the end of the world as we know it...
There's also been a drone strike on a conservative neighborhood on the south side of Indy!
Quote from: Exterminator on November 12, 2012, 04:21:02 PM
Yeah, I know...it's the end of the world as we know it...
There's also been a drone strike on a conservative neighborhood on the south side of Indy!
I KNEW IT!
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A suicide attempt by a secessionist who couldn't wait.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 12, 2012, 03:42:16 PM
...ever since Obama won his bid for a second term as President of the United States! :biggrin:
Everything is dandy in my neck of the woods. ;D But you're quite right.
I'm just sayin'...
Quote from: Exterminator on November 12, 2012, 07:46:56 PM
I'm just sayin'...
Just saying, I think that Obama got the Repubs by the short hairs. :wink: Really I think he has them by the balls. :rotfl: :rotfl: Isn't karma wonderful. :lmn: :win:
If y'all stopped watching the news after the shock of the election, you missed a real eye-popper. Where I live it's all over the place. The Washington Post has covered it extensively.
While President Obama was getting re-elected, General Petraeus, Director of the CIA, of all people, confessed he'd had an affair with his biographer, Paula Broadwell. The affair was said to have ended, but apparently not for her. She thought he was involved with someone else (other than his wife) and starting sending threatening e-mails, using a fake name. The woman, who thought she was dealing with a stalker, became so concerned she mentioned it to an acquaintance who works for the FBI. The FBI friend did some checking and found out the real name of the sender. Then he noticed that she knew General Petraeus, and because of some things she'd written, checked further because of the possibility of compromise of national intelligence. One thing led to another until he found out that Broadwell and Petraeus were romantically involved. More FBI people got involved, and it was eventually decided there was no intelligence breach, but because somebody in the FBI told a House republican and perhaps others, that brought politics into the mess mix, so it was decided the Director of National Intelligence should know. He (James Clapper, AF General who was at one time the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency) "learned of the situation from the FBI on Tuesday evening around 5 p.m." a senior U.S. intelligence official said. Director Clapper advised Petraeus to resign... "it was Clapper who told the White House late Wednesday, with Obama learning about it a day later. A senior administration official defended the decision not to notify the president earlier, saying that staff 'needed to get their arms around' the matter before briefing Obama, who had returned from his election trip to Chicago on Wednesday night."
Yeah, CNN just broke information that the FBI has arrived at the home of the biographer just this evening.
Nothing like a good sex scandal to shake up DC. ;D
I've been wondering when this would be mentioned here. . .
There's more. This morning the news is that Jill Kelly, the 37-year-old Tampa woman who reported the threatening e-mails to the FBI, is a close friend of Petraeus and his wife, and ... and, "The Pentagon announced early Tuesday" that she has been exchanging "potentially inappropriate" e-mails with Gen. John R. Allen, a marine and commander of U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan.
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www.washingtonpost.com
Yes,over thirty thousand pages of emails between them. They must have a lot of free time to generate that many emails.
Quote from: libby on November 13, 2012, 10:29:12 AM
There's more. This morning the news is that Jill Kelly, the 37-year-old Tampa woman who reported the threatening e-mails to the FBI, is a close friend of Petraeus and his wife, and ... and, "The Pentagon announced early Tuesday" that she has been exchanging "potentially inappropriate" e-mails with Gen. John R. Allen, a marine and commander of U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan.
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www.washingtonpost.com
:bsflag: Who in hell cares that Petaeus was getting a little strange nookie. :bsflag:
Right off the top of my head, I'd say the families of all those enlisted men over there getting body parts blown off or killed outright might be a little upset. Those generals are not ordinary people having ordinary affairs.
Quote from: The Troll on November 13, 2012, 10:34:16 AM
Who in hell cares that Petaeus was getting a little strange nookie.
Anybody remember Dwight Eisenhower and Kay Summersby?
Quote from: Olias on November 13, 2012, 11:04:39 AM
Anybody remember Dwight Eisenhower and Kay Summersby?
or Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinski
And which party jumped up and down and peed their collective drawers over it.
Quote from: followsthewolf on November 13, 2012, 12:14:08 PM
And which party jumped up and down and peed their collective drawers over it.
The same one jumping up and down and crapping in their twisted panties over this, of course!
Quote from: Palehorse on November 13, 2012, 12:25:50 PM
The same one jumping up and down and crapping in their twisted panties over this, of course!
....some members of which are most likely just as guilty of those selfsame depravities. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on November 13, 2012, 12:27:39 PM
....some members of which are most likely just as guilty of those selfsame depravities. :yes:
Yea, nothing like a nekkid swimmin session on a middle-east fact finding mission is there? :icon_twisted:
My point was that we are throwing a very good, if not great public servant under the bus for something that used to be looked over with a wink and a nod.
I hate to think what would have happened if we had fired Eisenhower because of his affair with Summersby.
Quote from: Olias on November 13, 2012, 12:35:10 PM
My point was that we are throwing a very good, if not great public servant under the bus for something that used to be looked over with a wink and a nod.
I hate to think what would have happened if we had fired Eisenhower because of his affair with Summersby.
Heard that! You speak the truth my friend. :yes:
Hey, for the record I am on Petraeus side...based upon everything I have heard. But, this whole thing kind of keeps getting juicier.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 13, 2012, 01:04:41 PM
Hey, for the record I am on Petraeus side...based upon everything I have heard. But, this whole thing kind of keeps getting juicier.
:haha: I had turned over to watch Fox News. :haha: Guess who was talking about Petraeus? :haha: Why it was Newt Gingrich, the :no1: adulter of the congress. :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on November 13, 2012, 01:53:19 PM
:haha: I had turned over to watch Fox News. :haha: Guess who was talking about Petraeus? :haha: Why it was Newt Gingrich, the :no1: adulter of the congress. :haha:
If that's not the height of hypocrisy, I don't know what is.
And he doesn"t even realize it.
Who asked Gen. Petaeous to resign? Was anything compromised because of the affair? I think they are still looking into that, especially after the comments his "friend" made in a speech.
Quote from: Anne on November 13, 2012, 07:42:58 PM
Who asked Gen. Petaeous to resign? Was anything compromised because of the affair? I think they are still looking into that, especially after the comments his "friend" made in a speech.
James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence, is the one who urged Petraeus to resign.
Quote from: Anne on November 13, 2012, 07:42:58 PM
Who asked Gen. Petaeous to resign? Was anything compromised because of the affair? I think they are still looking into that, especially after the comments his "friend" made in a speech.
They're just chasing ghosts :ghost: They will find nothing but another affair, men in high place chasing ***** and a stupid woman who called in the FBI. With Fox News running with it, as usual. The news network with no creditability. :yes:
Quote from: Olias on November 13, 2012, 12:35:10 PM
My point was that we are throwing a very good, if not great public servant under the bus for something that used to be looked over with a wink and a nod.
I hate to think what would have happened if we had fired Eisenhower because of his affair with Summersby.
A point not lost on this member my friend, I assure you! :yes:
Quote from: Olias on November 13, 2012, 12:35:10 PM
My point was that we are throwing a very good, if not great public servant under the bus for something that used to be looked over with a wink and a nod.
I hate to think what would have happened if we had fired Eisenhower because of his affair with Summersby.
:yes:
Here's something, same subject, from the opinion page of today's Washington Post:
A Scandal We Can't LoveBy Fred Hiatt, Published: November 18, 2012
I love a Washington scandal as much as the next voyeur, but somehow this one feels different. The two generals on the front pages now have served their country beyond most of our experiences. I think many Americans understand that and take no pleasure in their travails.
First, a couple of clarifications: Former Army Gen. David Petraeus and Marine Gen. John Allen are not in equivalent trouble. Petraeus, who is married, has acknowledged an affair with his biographer, who is married, and has resigned from his post of CIA director. Allen has not acknowledged or been accused of anything beyond sending friendly e-mails to a woman who is not his wife. His nomination to become the top general at NATO is on hold, not rescinded.
Second, this is no criticism of the reporting on this surreal scandal. Questions about how the investigation started, the actions of the FBI, the cushy lifestyle of the brass, the possible leaking of classified documents — these are legitimate and far from fully answered. To the extent either leader violated rules his subordinates are expected to follow, he should be held to account as they would be. Being generals doesn't entitle them to more deference than anyone else in the story, including the lesser-known women swept up in it. I hope reporters stay on the case. I'm sure they will.
But I also expect that a lot of us won't enjoy it much. When a vainglorious politician takes a tumble or the hypocrisy of yet another fatuous moralist is exposed — well, all but the most virtuous among us take some pleasure.
This one is different.
Petraeus served in the U.S. Army for 37 years, but let's look at just the past decade. In 2003, he led the 101st Airborne through fierce fighting into Iraq and then worked to bring peace to Mosul and surrounding territory in the north. In 2004 his division came home, but a few months later Petraeus was sent back to help train a new Iraqi army. He was sent back for a third tour in January 2007, to head allied forces. That was at the height of antiwar fervor here; his strategy was doubted and his integrity questioned; he absorbed attacks that were really directed at President George W. Bush as he wrestled something close enough to victory from the jaws of what had seemed certain disaster. And then, when President Obama replaced Bush, Petraeus overcame the suspicions of a new administration by serving his new commander in chief with equal dedication, including when he was sent once again to war, this time in Afghanistan.
Allen's career has been less public but hardly less impressive. A Marine since graduating from the Naval Academy 37 years ago, Allen led U.S. forces in Iraq's Anbar province during some of the war's most difficult days. For the past 16 months he has commanded allied forces in Afghanistan. Like all our officers, he takes the orders that emerge from the messy, conflicted policymaking apparatus in Washington, and he does his best to bring about a favorable result against long odds. He's soft-spoken, hard-driving, committed to his troops and to success, however Washington defines it.
Are they perfect human beings? Even before the latest stories, we could have been confident saying no. Have they been able generals, devoted public servants, useful contributors to their country? Those strike me as the important questions, and they're not hard to answer.
In the era of a small all-volunteer force, many Americans don't know anyone serving in Afghanistan. Most will never meet a general officer. In Congress, in the media, on university faculties, there are few veterans. We stand and cheer at ballgames when wounded warriors are shown on the big screen, and our cheers are heartfelt. But they don't bring us closer to understanding what it's like to fight a war, or come back from one, or spend every other year apart from spouse and family. These days, we call anyone in a uniform a hero, and that's understandable. But it's not quite correct.
What many of them are, Petraeus and Allen among them, are people who have done hard, honorable duty for their country. When this is all over, I hope we get straight what rates an asterisk in their life stories and what really counts.
fredhiatt@washpost.com
© The Washington Post Company
A large group of holier-than-thou assholes who are trying to justify their miserable existence by crucifying exceptional military leaders.
Quote from: followsthewolf on November 19, 2012, 10:32:19 AM
A large group of holier-than-thou assholes who are trying to justify their miserable existence by crucifying exceptional military leaders.
These kind of people remind me of the flies that fly are a horses ass, Circle Flies. :yes: :biggrin:
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Well, well, getting a snow storm out or Pale Horse is like getting a perment tax cut for the 98% American people out of the Republicans. :haha: :haha:
C'mon Horse get with it. :choo: :pink: :choo: :pink: :choo: :pink: :choo: or :kickcan: :kickcan:
It's pretty quiet around here today too. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on December 07, 2012, 11:50:52 AM
It's pretty quiet around here today too. :yes:
Some people do get quiet when they are nursing their wounds of defeat. Hee, hee, hee. But the fact still is, OBAMA WON!
That little statement of, "Our main job is to see that Obama is a one term president." After spending a Billion dollars to defeat him, how did it work out for them. :doh;
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