Most of them, really. It's easy to forget that when all we have on this forum are blathering fools with no understand of how anything works who are spoon-fed the crap they parrot by Faux News.
Wake up GOP: Smashing system doesn't fix it (http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/08/01/frum.debt.republicans/index.html?hpt=hp_c1)
I'm a Republican. Always have been. I believe in free markets, low taxes, reasonable regulation and limited government. But as I look back at the weeks of rancor leading up to Sunday night's last-minute budget deal, I see some things I don't believe in:
Forcing the United States to the verge of default.
Shrugging off the needs and concerns of millions of unemployed.
Protecting every single loophole, giveaway and boondoggle in the tax code as a matter of fundamental conservative principle.
Massive government budget cuts in the midst of the worst recession since World War II.
I am not alone.
Only about one-third of Republicans agree that cutting government spending should be the country's top priority. Only about one-quarter of Republicans insist the budget be balanced without any tax increases.
Yet that one-third and that one-quarter have come to dominate my party. That one-third and that one-quarter forced a debt standoff that could have ended in default and a second Great Recession. That one-third and that one-quarter have effectively written the "no new taxes pledge" into national law.
There was another way. There still is.
Give me a hammer and a church-house door, and I'd post these theses for modern Republicans:
1) Unemployment is a more urgent problem than debt.
The U.S. can borrow money for 10 years at less than 3%. It can borrow money for two years at less than one-half a percent. Yes, the burden of debt is worrying. Yet lenders seem undaunted by those worries.
Meanwhile, more than 14 million Americans are out of work, more than 6 million for longer than six months. The United States has not seen so many people out of work for so long since the 1930s.
2) The deficit is a symptom of America's economic problems, not a cause.
When the economy slumps, government revenues decline and government spending surges.
Federal revenues have collapsed since 2007, down from more than 18% of national income to a little more than 14%. To put that in perspective: That's the equivalent of losing enough revenue to support the entire defense budget.
Federal spending has jumped to pay for unemployment insurance, food stamps and Medicaid benefits.
Fix the economy first, and the deficit will improve on its own.
Cut the deficit first, and the economy will get even sicker.
3) The time to cut is after the economy recovers.
Businesses are hoarding cash. Consumers are repaying debt. State and local governments are slashing jobs. (Since 2009, the number of Americans working for government has shrunk by half a million, the biggest reduction in civilian government employment since the Great Depression.) Right now, there's only one big customer out there: the federal government. How does it help anybody if the feds suddenly stop buying things and paying people?
4) The place to cut is health care, not assistance to the unemployed and poor.
The United States provides less assistance to the unemployed and the poor than almost any other democracy. It spends 60% more per person on health care than almost any other democracy -- and gets worse results. The problem is not that Americans use too much medicine. People in other countries use more. The problem is that Americans pay too much for the medicine they use. Go where the money is, cut where the waste is grossest.
5) We can collect more revenue without raising tax rates.
Republicans stand for low taxes to encourage people to work, save and invest. But how would it discourage work if we reduced the mortgage-interest deduction again? Did it hurt the economy when we reduced the maximum eligible loan to $1 million back in 1986? Do Canadians and Brits -- who lack the deduction -- work less hard than Americans?
Why are state and local taxes deductible from federally taxable income? Wouldn't higher taxes on energy encourage conservation? Who decided to allow inflation to corrode federal alcohol taxes by 80% over the past 50 years?
6) Passion does not substitute for judgment.
Republicans and conservatives have worked themselves into a frenzy of rage and contempt for President Barack Obama. House Speaker John Boehner's post-deal PowerPoint for Republican House members was actually labeled "Two Step Approach to Hold President Obama Accountable" (PDF) -- as if the supreme goal of policy in this time of economic hardship were to fix the blame for all problems on the president. This exercise in finger-pointing satisfies the emotions of the Republican base. It does not accurately explain the causes of the crisis or offer plausible remedies.
7) You can't save the system by destroying the system.
In their passion, Republicans convinced themselves that the constitutional republic and the free-enterprise system were threatened as never before. Their response? To threaten to blow up the free-enterprise system and wreck the republic unless they gained their point.
Republicans have become so gripped by pessimism and panic that they feel they have nothing to lose by rushing into a catastrophe now. But there is a lot to lose, and in these past weeks America nearly lost it. Let's hope that as America steps back from the brink, Republicans remember that it's their job to protect the system, not to smash the system in hopes of building something better from the ruins.
That's how student radicals think -- not conservatives.
Here's another one; Boone County Councilman At-Large, David Rogers: (http://rodgersforcouncil.blogspot.com/2011/07/open-letter-to-my-fellow-conservatives.html)
"AN OPEN LETTER TO MY FELLOW CONSERVATIVES
I'm frustrated, too. Both major parties are to blame for the fiscal mess in Washington, but I'm particularly disappointed that the Republican Party – which I've supported my entire adult life as the party of limited government, fiscal discipline and local control – oversaw much of the past decade's debt explosion. I understand why many of you have been so disgusted that you've turned to the Tea Party 'movement.' I don't always agree with their arguments or their actions, but that's how democratic society works: concerned citizens engage each other on issues that matter, even when they disagree.
However, I cannot sit quietly by as our local Tea Party, like far too many other 'conservative' groups and individuals, goes beyond political debate to inciting violence and advocating treason. The group's booth at this year's Boone County Fair proudly displayed and offered for sale t-shirts that proclaim 'Got Ammo!' Such a threat – and it is clearly a threat – has no place in political debate, nor in civilized society. Tea Party supporters tell me they expect a civil war if the federal government does not return to what they consider 'constitutional' principles, and they want to be ready. Advocating this position is advocating treason. It threatens violence to those who disagree and endorses armed resistance to government. Another big seller encourages violence by stating 'Our forefathers would be shooting by now.' Tea Partiers claim to advocate 'Liberty, not Tyranny;' the only forefathers who might call our government today 'tyranny' are the fathers of the Confederacy, who claimed to fight for liberty while committing treason to protect slavery. The patriots of the Boston Tea Party petitioned their government and carried out peaceful protest, only resorting to violence when, in response to that protest, the Crown took away their rights to self-government by closing their courts and outlawing their democratic assemblies. Our forefathers took up arms to defend those rights, rights we enjoy today to an extent none of them could even have imagined.
Losing an election is not tyranny; it's democracy. Compromise is not treason; it's governance. Living in a diverse society with people whose views differ so dramatically is difficult. Freedom requires behaving responsibly, and remembering that our words have consequences. Violent and threatening rhetoric has no place in our political discourse. I want no part of it, nor of any group which condones it. We're better than this."
It's very telling that our resident know-it-all neocons are avoiding this subject like the plague.
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSILENCE!
Where is the smart remarks about Socialism, Freedom, Happiness. How the rich shall inherit the earth instead of the meek. How the lion will eat the lamb. Cricket, cricket, cricket.
All the bull shit of getting jobs for the people and nothing about the 163,000 factories, plants and business that left the country and out sourced jobs. Tearing down these buildings, taking their machines, their USA patents, secrets and manufacturing processes to foreign countries.
Nothing about China charging 36% tarriff on our products and we charge them only 3%. Just where fairness in these free trade treaties. JUST WHERE IN HELL ARE THE GREAT MINDS. IT SURE WASN'T IN THE MINDS OF THE REPUBLICANS WHO MADE THEM. :hanged:
:det:
Where the jobs Boner and Turtle head? I heard Boehner and McConnell say they were going to produce some jobs. :bs:
I know where they could create 70,000 jobs. Come back to Washington and get the FAA budget signed. What assholes. Is there anything the Republican/Tea Party do to screw up this country. The turds of the world. :yes: :rant:
Why respond when all yer doin' is talkin' stupid shit. You two have a nice conversation, or should I say bash fest.
The thing that gets me about the "debt ceiling" legislation these idiots passed, is that it is nothing short of a ticking time bomb! If anyone in this country expects this pack of jackyls to come to an agreement before the first "deadline", on anything, they seriously need to seek professional help.
And I predict the conservatives will hold that fact over their heads in order to force their ludicrous agenda on the people of this country; and absent any movement toward such they'll stall their way to the automatic across the boards cuts that will virtually kill the poorest amongst the population, and blame it on the POTUS! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: me on August 05, 2011, 02:25:45 AM
Why respond when all yer doin' is talkin' stupid shit. You two have a nice conversation, or should I say bash fest.
"ME" we are interested in what you have to say, if it made sense. I can't see how you can sit where you are at you computer and say that that has happened to this country is Obama's fault.
The Republican fair trade treaties. NAFTA, WTO and so many other bad ones. The outsourcing of 163,000 corporations, business, their machines used to make products, their patents, and their research and secrets outsourced and left their building in disrepair and falling down and let the taxpayers tear them down. Plus they received tax cuts for doing it under the Republican Party and your wonderful brainy George W. Bush. Eight long, long years of George W. Bush. To top it off you voted for him two times.
How can you honestly defend, Sarah Palin and Michell Bachman and say they are intelligent to be president of the United States of America.
Yes, we would listen to you if you made sense. I think it time for you to open you mind a little and see what is really going on. It's not what you think it is.
We spent billions and billions of dollars and thousands of American children, our young soldiers fighting Communism and how who is our banker, who's buying our companies and taking they back home, who killing our workers by taking their jobs, flooding our country with cheap trash, sold by your wonderful Walmart. Who is it. Communist Republic of China. This is one war they are winning and you can't see it. :4th3:
But Troll, to me you make no sense. How can we continue all these government hand outs and not get deeper into debt? This budget thing should have been done 2yrs ago and then last year ya'll keep forgetting that little gem. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are as much to blame as anyone in this mess and Obama really needs to get them under control. The economy is getting worse by the day and it no longer has anything to do with what Bush did, this is Obama's baby now and it isn't getting any better. Have you been to the grocery store lately?
Quote from: me on August 05, 2011, 02:25:45 AM
Why respond when all yer doin' is talkin' stupid shit. You two have a nice conversation, or should I say bash fest.
Your only redeeming quality is that you're old and soon won't be taking up precious oxygen that others need to live.
Quote from: me on August 05, 2011, 09:18:29 AM
But Troll, to me you make no sense. How can we continue all these government hand outs and not get deeper into debt? This budget thing should have been done 2yrs ago and then last year ya'll keep forgetting that little gem. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are as much to blame as anyone in this mess and Obama really needs to get them under control. The economy is getting worse by the day and it no longer has anything to do with what Bush did, this is Obama's baby now and it isn't getting any better. Have you been to the grocery store lately?
With you it's the same pig headed response. It's Obama's fault and Pelosi and Reid fault. Pelosi and Reid has only one vote. It takes the vote from two houses to pass a bill. So you can cut that lie.
All of your ideas are warped and out of touch. Your little boy George W. did this and it's going to take a long, long time to cure all of his cluster fucks ups.
Me and my wife shop every week together and I see every price and total cost. How's that's Obama's fault. I sick of you "ME" and all of your lies.
Quote from: The Troll on August 05, 2011, 01:34:32 PM
With you it's the same pig headed response. It's Obama's fault and Pelosi and Reid fault. Pelosi and Reid has only one vote. It takes the vote from two houses to pass a bill. So you can cut that lie.
All of your ideas are warped and out of touch. Your little boy George W. did this and it's going to take a long, long time to cure all of his cluster fucks ups.
Me and my wife shop every week together and I see every price and total cost. How's that's Obama's fault. I sick of you "ME" and all of your lies.
Pelosi didn't even try to work out a budget when she was speaker so don't hand me that crap. There was nothing done period except her pet projects.
Quote from: me on August 05, 2011, 02:10:27 PM
Pelosi didn't even try to work out a budget when she was speaker so don't hand me that crap. There was nothing done period except her pet projects.
I don't even want to talk to you about nothing other than some cooking or plumbing. You're just plain nuts on everything else.
Ex,
The unfortunate part is that what now passes for the Republican Party bears little to no resemblance to the party who would have Teddy Roosevelt, Nelson Rockefeller, or George Romney as members.
The current form of the Republican party strives to see just how authoritarian, reactionary, theocratic, and servile to Capital it can be.
Quote from: Y on August 11, 2011, 03:10:26 PM
Ex,
The unfortunate part is that what now passes for the Republican Party bears little to no resemblance to the party who would have Teddy Roosevelt, Nelson Rockefeller, or George Romney as members.
The current form of the Republican party strives to see just how authoritarian, reactionary, theocratic, and servile to Capital it can be.
And who is it who is trying to put a thumb on opposing opinions by shutting down TV stations and radio broadcasts and demonizing anyone who happened to have a differing opinion? Who keeps saying "if you don't agree with the President you're a racist? And while were at it what was with that comment Obama made about he'd rather Congress was on vacation because the last thing he needed was them in Washington fighting because he could take care of things? Hum.
Quote from: me on August 11, 2011, 07:55:57 PM
And who is it who is trying to put a thumb on opposing opinions by shutting down TV stations and radio broadcasts and demonizing anyone who happened to have a differing opinion? Who keeps saying "if you don't agree with the President you're a racist? And while were at it what was with that comment Obama made about he'd rather Congress was on vacation because the last thing he needed was them in Washington fighting because he could take care of things? Hum.
You got 92% of the radio stations, what the hell do you need more for. Greedy, greedy, greedy. Honey Dipper :kiss:
Quote from: The Troll on August 25, 2011, 11:29:03 PM
You got 92% of the radio stations, what the hell do you need more for. Greedy, greedy, greedy. Honey Dipper :kiss:
What? How did you come up with that figure?
Quote from: me on August 26, 2011, 08:49:19 AM
What? How did you come up with that figure?
Same way you come up with yours...pulled it out of his ass! :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on August 26, 2011, 09:28:41 AM
Same way you come up with yours...pulled it out of his ass! :biggrin:
Found it on the internet. The blog said the the 4 radio corporations that control AM Radio control 94% of the Conservative Radio talk show hosts. Rush Limbaugh is no.1. Only 6% of the talk shows are liberal most in New York and California.
Goggle it and do a little research. The Ass Hole Republican control all of it. AND I DON'T TURN ON MY AM RADIO ANYMORE. IT'S A WASTE OF TIME. IT'S ALL BULLSHIT.
SOME MUCH FOR FREEDOM, THE GOLDEN RULE.
They with the gold rules!
:4th4:
the reason WHY radio is controlled by the right, is because there is a market for people who like to hear conservatism, while they work and commute back and forth to work. There is a large market for this and boom, it is dominated by conservatism.
pretty simple really.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 26, 2011, 04:52:56 PM
the reason WHY radio is controlled by the right, is because there is a market for people who like to hear conservatism, while they work and commute back and forth to work. There is a large market for this and boom, it is dominated by conservatism.
pretty simple really.
I drove back and forth to work for 38 years in Indianapolis. I was in the upper 10% of the wage class at that time. I had a lot of money to spend. I would have love to hear some good, smart, fair talk. So I didn't listen and therefore I didn't buy anything they had to sell.
To this day I have never had a Snapple and I won't buy one, because they started selling it on the Rush Limbaugh show. :azz:
Quote from: The Troll on August 26, 2011, 05:01:30 PM
I drove back and forth to work for 38 years in Indianapolis. I was in the upper 10% of the wage class at that time. I had a lot of money to spend. I would have love to hear some good, smart, fair talk. So I didn't listen and therefore I didn't buy anything they had to sell.
To this day I have never had a Snapple and I won't buy one, because they started selling it on the Rush Limbaugh show. :azz:
You apparently was in the minority...because several million did buy his stuff.... :razz:
Quote from: The Troll on August 26, 2011, 04:46:21 PM
Found it on the internet. The blog said the the 4 radio corporations that control AM Radio control 94% of the Conservative Radio talk show hosts. Rush Limbaugh is no.1. Only 6% of the talk shows are liberal most in New York and California.
Goggle it and do a little research. The Ass Hole Republican control all of it. AND I DON'T TURN ON MY AM RADIO ANYMORE. IT'S A WASTE OF TIME. IT'S ALL BULLSHIT.
SOME MUCH FOR FREEDOM, THE GOLDEN RULE.
They with the gold rules!
:4th4:
Blogs are opinions not fact. So much for accuracy huh?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 26, 2011, 05:05:51 PM
You apparently was in the minority...because several million did buy his stuff.... :razz:
There is around 33% of the American populations who are hard ass, hard core religious, biggoted, racist, gay hating Republicans. If you stamped Republican on a big pile of bull shit they would by it.
Around 141,647,783 voters. One third hard core Tea Party and Republicans, 47,215,927. 47 million plus or minus a few idiots.
That a lot of buying power. Just think if you Henery could sell each one of these nuts a horse turd and make a dollar on it you would be a 47 million dollar millionaire. Get out your shovel Henery, you got a lot of shit to shovel. :dig: Hee, Hee, hee. :chick: :thumbsup: :grin2:
Quote from: The Troll on August 26, 2011, 05:50:17 PM
There is around 33% of the American populations who are hard ass, hard core religious, biggoted, racist, gay hating Republicans. If you stamped Republican on a big pile of bull shit they would by it.
Around 141,647,783 voters. One third hard core Tea Party and Republicans, 47,215,927. 47 million plus or minus a few idiots.
That a lot of buying power. Just think if you Henery could sell each one of these nuts a horse turd and make a dollar on it you would be a 47 million dollar millionaire. Get out your shovel Henery, you got a lot of shit to shovel. :dig: Hee, Hee, hee. :chick: :thumbsup: :grin2:
Get that out of a blog did ya? :rolleyes:
AHEM!
99.9% of these "conservative talk radio shows" are NOTHING more than audio blogs themselves; consisting of nothing more than "opinion" that is based upon highly edited sound bites that support the slanted perspectives of those corporate entities that support these shows.
Journalism is dead and gone; having been sacrificed at the altar of the almighty corporation.
Quote from: Palehorse on August 26, 2011, 08:04:05 PM
AHEM!
99.9% of these "conservative talk radio shows" are NOTHING more than audio blogs themselves; consisting of nothing more than "opinion" that is based upon highly edited sound bites that support the slanted perspectives of those corporate entities that support these shows.
Journalism is dead and gone; having been sacrificed at the altar of the almighty corporation.
Now finish that. A corporation which overpriced its product and therefore the consumer quit buying the product so it is dying due to its own greed. It also didn't take into consideration, quick enough, the internet because they believed there would always be a market for printed news. Private enterprise at work again.
Wait. Who just said that these same corporations are reaping millions/billions in profits due to advertising on these "conservative media" shows?
Quote from: me on August 26, 2011, 07:03:54 PM
Get that out of a blog did ya? :rolleyes:
Just just Goggle it, it right there in front of your lying eyes. :eyes: Baloney Lips :kiss:
Quote from: Palehorse on August 26, 2011, 08:46:31 PM
Wait. Who just said that these same corporations are reaping millions/billions in profits due to advertising on these "conservative media" shows?
Since they are paying to advertise they go where they can reach the most people. If no one is reading the paper, or very few are, why would they want to pay big bucks to advertise there? If no one is listening to or watching certain media shows why would they flock to advertise there? Corporations advertise where they have the best results and their advertising will be seen by as many people as possible they could care less about the politics of the program they just want to get seen. Now they may care about the type of program like Disney wouldn't advertise on a program with sexual content, nudity, violence, or something along those lines, but they could care less about the politics of a show if enough people are viewing it. Now if they reap millions from their advertising it's because people liked what they seen and purchased their product or service. Private enterprise at work again.
Quote from: me on August 27, 2011, 02:40:37 AM
Since they are paying to advertise they go where they can reach the most people. If no one is reading the paper, or very few are, why would they want to pay big bucks to advertise there? If no one is listening to or watching certain media shows why would they flock to advertise there? Corporations advertise where they have the best results and their advertising will be seen by as many people as possible they could care less about the politics of the program they just want to get seen. Now they may care about the type of program like Disney wouldn't advertise on a program with sexual content, nudity, violence, or something along those lines, but they could care less about the politics of a show if enough people are viewing it. Now if they reap millions from their advertising it's because people liked what they seen and purchased their product or service. Private enterprise at work again.
:yeah; The big headed girl has got it. It's all about the money. :yeah:
Quote from: The Troll on August 27, 2011, 05:28:26 AM
:yeah; The big headed girl has got it. It's all about the money. :yeah:
Well duh, if you couldn't have made money at plumbing would you have kept doing it? You keep forgetting one thing here in all of this. They are providing jobs and if they can't make money why bother. That's what free enterprise is all about which is what you don't get. From where I sit is seems you are the one begrudging someone having money.
Quote from: me on August 27, 2011, 02:40:37 AM
Since they are paying to advertise they go where they can reach the most people. If no one is reading the paper, or very few are, why would they want to pay big bucks to advertise there? If no one is listening to or watching certain media shows why would they flock to advertise there? Corporations advertise where they have the best results and their advertising will be seen by as many people as possible they could care less about the politics of the program they just want to get seen. Now they may care about the type of program like Disney wouldn't advertise on a program with sexual content, nudity, violence, or something along those lines, but they could care less about the politics of a show if enough people are viewing it. Now if they reap millions from their advertising it's because people liked what they seen and purchased their product or service. Private enterprise at work again.
Quote from: me on August 26, 2011, 08:25:37 PM
Now finish that. A corporation which overpriced its product and therefore the consumer quit buying the product so it is dying due to its own greed. It also didn't take into consideration, quick enough, the internet because they believed there would always be a market for printed news. Private enterprise at work again.
Which is it then? You're cackling in circles! :good or bad:
The problem is you are mixing sectors of business! Manufacturing verses service. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on August 27, 2011, 12:10:56 PM
Which is it then? You're cackling in circles! :good or bad:
The problem is you are mixing sectors of business! Manufacturing verses service. . .
I watched a show from LINK TV last night is was called the "OIL HOLE" It was about the search for the people who built the 100 mile per gallon automobiles, old Buicks and old Ford V-8s, had built them and they either quit afraid for their lives, suddenly died or were bought out. How the oil companies stop these cars, how they control the price of oil and how they manipulate the market.
One thing I thought was very interesting when the oil price really spikes up suddenly and the oil companies raise their gasoline prices, the oil companies like BP are still paying around $3 a barrel for the oil they are still pumping out of the Gulf of Mexico. We are being stuck in the ass for the new price on the gasoline, hundred of thousands of gallons of gas they made on the old world price, but they are still paying $3 a barrel out in the gulf and why should the price of natural gas go up when crude oil goes up. When the natural gas comes out of the Gulf out on it's own pressure. I have sit under the natural gas rigs, out in the Gulf and hear the sound of the gas coming out as the price of crude oil soared and gasoline was $4.50 a gallon.
No wonder they are the most profitable businesses in the world and they still cheat. The citizens of the world are all stupid to let the thieves get by with it.
Yep "ME" and Henery is for it. Let the corporations charge what every they want for the oil we own in the ground. They don't pay one damn dime for the oil they pump out of the people's earth. :mad:
Watch LINKS documentary "THE OIL HOLE" Watch it. It will make you sick, all of us working people are SCHMUCKS for letting the people in Washington DC to let this continue and we taxpayers give the oil companies tax breaks. :angry: :angry: :angry: Just think the Tea Party and the Republicans are for it 100% :mad: :mad: :mad: :angry: and I myself can't do a damn thing about it and we have people who claim they are tax payers condone it. :mad: :mad: :mad:
You know is sorta like a science fiction thing. Where some corporations started collecting oxygen out of the air and storing it. When it got to hard for the people to live without oxygen these corporations would charge us money for them to release just enough for us to live. While the CEOs and the super rich who owned them had oxygen lines ran to the homes, offices and cars and everybody else had to pay for their oxygen they took out of our air. Sound good doesn't it. But it's that way with oil and oil products and byproducts. :wink: :biggrin: Just :stop: and think about this. :puke:
Are you sure it wasn't called Gas Hole? I just saw it last week...
Quote from: Exterminator on August 27, 2011, 02:01:51 PM
Are you sure it wasn't called Gas Hole? I just saw it last week...
Damn, I've had a brain fart. I can't remember how which one, I'm quite sure it's the same. How did you like and what do you think. I think is a crime of the worse magnitude. :yes:
Quote from: The Troll on August 27, 2011, 02:05:54 PM
Damn, I've had a brain fart. I can't remember how which one, I'm quite sure it's the same. How did you like and what do you think. I think is a crime of the worse magnitude. :yes:
The oil companies has the world by the throat and are chocking the very life out of us. How much money do they need?
They are like the Lampreys in the Great lakes. They find a big lake trout and latches on and sucks it blood out until it dies. Then lets go and goes find another trout to suck it's life out. :yes: :'(
Quote from: The Troll on August 27, 2011, 01:44:43 PM
I watched a show from LINK TV last night is was called the "OIL HOLE" It was about the search for the people who built the 100 mile per gallon automobiles, old Buicks and old Ford V-8s, had built them and they either quit afraid for their lives, suddenly died or were bought out. How the oil companies stop these cars, how they control the price of oil and how they manipulate the market.
One thing I thought was very interesting when the oil price really spikes up suddenly and the oil companies raise their gasoline prices, the oil companies like BP are still paying around $3 a barrel for the oil they are still pumping out of the Gulf of Mexico. We are being stuck in the ass for the new price on the gasoline, hundred of thousands of gallons of gas they made on the old world price, but they are still paying $3 a barrel out in the gulf and why should the price of natural gas go up when crude oil goes up. When the natural gas comes out of the Gulf out on it's own pressure. I have sit under the natural gas rigs, out in the Gulf and hear the sound of the gas coming out as the price of crude oil soared and gasoline was $4.50 a gallon.
No wonder they are the most profitable businesses in the world and they still cheat. The citizens of the world are all stupid to let the thieves get by with it.
Yep "ME" and Henery is for it. Let the corporations charge what every they want for the oil we own in the ground. They don't pay one damn dime for the oil they pump out of the people's earth. :mad:
Watch LINKS documentary "THE OIL HOLE" Watch it. It will make you sick, all of us working people are SCHMUCKS for letting the people in Washington DC to let this continue and we taxpayers give the oil companies tax breaks. :angry: :angry: :angry: Just think the Tea Party and the Republicans are for it 100% :mad: :mad: :mad: :angry: and I myself can't do a damn thing about it and we have people who claim they are tax payers condone it. :mad: :mad: :mad:
You know is sorta like a science fiction thing. Where some corporations started collecting oxygen out of the air and storing it. When it got to hard for the people to live without oxygen these corporations would charge us money for them to release just enough for us to live. While the CEOs and the super rich who owned them had oxygen lines ran to the homes, offices and cars and everybody else had to pay for their oxygen they took out of our air. Sound good doesn't it. But it's that way with oil and oil products and byproducts. :wink: :biggrin: Just :stop: and think about this. :puke:
They don't? I guess then that the equipment and labor are donated and they pay nothing to ship it to the refineries. Damn what a rip and all this time I thought they were paying for equipment, wages, and shipping. Hell not to mention research into where to drill. Damn that's nice of those people to donate their time. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on August 27, 2011, 02:36:54 PM
They don't? I guess then that the equipment and labor are donated and they pay nothing to ship it to the refineries. Damn what a rip and all this time I thought they were paying for equipment, wages, and shipping. Hell not to mention research into where to drill. Damn that's nice of those people to donate their time. :rolleyes:
Dumb ass the oil is free. The $3 dollars is cost and the rest is profit. You really can't see it. Can you Dumb ass? :knife: = brain dead. Just look at what the oil countries have built and done with our money. :jc:
Last year EXXON made after all expenses a profit of $44.55 Billion. $45,550,000,000 in profit. How much does just one out of 4 oil companies need. Hell let them break the world banks and the people of the world. :knife: = brain dead. Hail the super rich and the oil companies they own and let the Golden Rule prevail, they who have the gold and oil rule. :salute:
Quote from: The Troll on August 27, 2011, 02:05:54 PM
Damn, I've had a brain fart. I can't remember how which one, I'm quite sure it's the same. How did you like and what do you think. I think is a crime of the worse magnitude. :yes:
Great documentary and explains the issues very well. It was a primary factor in my starting to burn E85 in my Tahoe.
MY BAD!
Quote from: The Troll on August 27, 2011, 02:55:32 PM
Dumb ass the oil is free. The $3 dollars is cost and the rest is profit. You really can't see it. Can you Dumb ass? :knife: = brain dead. Just look at what the oil countries have built and done with our money. :jc:
Last year EXXON made after all expenses a profit of $44.55 Billion. $45,550,000,000 in profit. How much does just one out of 4 oil companies need. Hell let them break the world banks and the people of the world. :knife: = brain dead. Hail the super rich and the oil companies they own and let the Golden Rule prevail, they who have the gold and oil rule. :salute:
And did they day how much of the cost of a gallon of gas is tax, state, federal, and what ever else tax the government puts on it? Hell no they didn't 'cause you are supposed to believe that the entire cost at the pump is theirs, the oil companies. Did they bother to say that a lot of that profit is invested right back into the business? Hell no they didn't. Just exactly who sponsored and produced it?
Quote from: me on August 27, 2011, 04:35:23 PM
And did they day how much of the cost of a gallon of gas is tax, state, federal, and what ever else tax the government puts on it? Hell no they didn't 'cause you are supposed to believe that the entire cost at the pump is theirs, the oil companies. Did they bother to say that a lot of that profit is invested right back into the business? Hell no they didn't. Just exactly who sponsored and produced it?
LMFAO! You can actually post this and accuse others of being sheeple and led around by a ring in their noses? Do your lips get black from sucking the dick of big oil?
Quote from: me on August 27, 2011, 04:35:23 PM
And did they day how much of the cost of a gallon of gas is tax, state, federal, and what ever else tax the government puts on it? Hell no they didn't 'cause you are supposed to believe that the entire cost at the pump is theirs, the oil companies. Did they bother to say that a lot of that profit is invested right back into the business? Hell no they didn't. Just exactly who sponsored and produced it?
Did you see it? NO! :no: Would you watch it if you were given a chance to see it? NO! :no: Will you continue living with your head up your ass? Yes. :yes:
Just watch LINKS program list, I know t will be back soon. That is, if you will take your head out of your ass. Gum Ball. :kiss:
You're wasting your time, Troll; there is no talking to people who have convinced themselves they are far more intelligent and better informed than they actually are. You dogged me for suggesting that she participate in an IQ test comparison but that request had a not unreasonable basis...and it was a foregone conclusion that she wouldn't partcipate.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 27, 2011, 05:39:52 PM
LMFAO! You can actually post this and accuse others of being sheeple and led around by a ring in their noses? Do your lips get black from sucking the dick of big oil?
So you think every cent that is pumped through the pump goes to the oil companies huh? And I'm dumb???
Quote from: me on August 27, 2011, 10:53:35 PM
So you think every cent that is pumped through the pump goes to the oil companies huh? And I'm dumb???
Now I want to read this very carefully. Exxon one of the four, 4 largest oil companies made $45.22 Billion profit after they paid every body and I do mean everybody. What in hell don't you see it. My god you have to be one of the most stupid persons in the world. And you get to vote and you voted for Reagan, Nixon, Ford, George H., George W. twice and McCain and Palin.. Damn are you stupid. :doh: Sweetie Dum Dum. :kiss:
Quote from: The Troll on August 27, 2011, 11:28:52 PM
Now I want to read this very carefully. Exxon one of the four, 4 largest oil companies made $45.22 Billion profit after they paid every body and I do mean everybody. What in hell don't you see it. My god you have to be one of the most stupid persons in the world. And you get to vote and you voted for Reagan, Nixon, Ford, George H., George W. twice and McCain and Palin.. Damn are you stupid. :doh: Sweetie Dum Dum. :kiss:
What don't you understand about that is the money they use to reinvest?
Quote from: me on August 28, 2011, 03:29:44 AM
What don't you understand about that is the money they use to reinvest?
That's not what my Exxon stock reflects.
Quote from: me on August 28, 2011, 03:29:44 AM
What don't you understand about that is the money they use to reinvest?
We need some new refineries, new and repaired pipelines, some new oil wells inland on oil leases they bought and have never used. The only new oil being discovered in the country is by independent wild catters. In reality they are sitting on their money creating a shortage to raise the price of oil products. :mad:
What are they going with their money. Giving large, huge, extreme pay checks to their top executives and board members.
Oh yeah, they are trying to take Algae and pond scum to make diesel oil. :doh: keep believing in Magic, Baby Cakes. :kiss: