Many states celebrate surpluses as Congress struggles with debt
As Washington stares at rising national debt and projected deficits for years to come, many states are faced with the opposite problem: whether to spend their budget surpluses and, if so, on what.
At least a dozen states ended fiscal 2011 with surpluses. Indiana reported one of the largest, with an extra $1.2 billion in its accounts. Gov. Mitch Daniels, a Republican, on Friday authorized bonus payments of up to $1,000 for state employees. An employee who "meets expectations" will get $500, those who "exceed expectations" will receive $750 and "outstanding workers" will see an extra $1,000 in their August paychecks.
"No state anywhere comes close to Indiana's record of spending tax dollars carefully, with total savings over the last six years in the billions. Your spending efficiency has enabled us to stay in the black even as revenues plummeted," said Mr. Daniels.
I find it very interesting many of the states reporting being in the black are led by REPUBLICAN Governors...and those states that are in serious debt are led by DEMOCRAT Govenors....hmmmmmmmmm....Maybe, just maybe, our POTUS should LISTEN to what these guys are doing to be successful with the taxpayers money.....
Idaho ended the year with an $85 million surplus....Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter, a Republican
Maine finished the year with a surplus of nearly $50 million....Gov. Paul LePage, a Republican
Ohio had an $8 billion deficit, and has been wiped it out, and eliminated.... Gov. John Kasich, a Republican
South Carolina in the black..............Gov. Nikki Haley a Republican.
Connecticut ranked worst in the country with overall $53.35 billion of debt....Gov. Dannel Malloy a Democrat
Illinois with Gov Pat Quinn, a Democrat, Hawaii with Gov Neil Abercrombie, a Democrat, Kentucky, with Gov Steve Beshear a Democrat, Massachusetts with Gov Deval Patrick a Democrat...all extremely in debt.
But, then you go to;
Nebraska, with Republican Gov. Dave Heineman, North Dakota with Republican Jack Dalrymple, Utah, with Republican Gov. Gary R. Herbert and Wyoming, with Gov. Matt Mead , a REPULICAN....all have sufficient assets available to meet their debt obligations.
Is it JUST me who thinks this is just not ironic, but perhaps there is something to this?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/17/many-states-celebrate-surpluses-as-congress-strugg/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/17/many-states-celebrate-surpluses-as-congress-strugg/)
Can't wait to see how many ways this gets twisted and bent. And they call us dumb go figure.
You guys keep praying to Grover. . .
Quote from: me on July 18, 2011, 02:49:35 PM
Can't wait to see how many ways this gets twisted and bent. And they call us dumb go figure.
Because you are; here's why...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 18, 2011, 02:27:09 PM
I find it very interesting many of the states reporting being in the black are led by REPUBLICAN Governors...and those states that are in serious debt are led by DEMOCRAT Govenors...
On the surface, this statement is almost true...it would be in Henry had said, "many of those states in serious debt are led by Democrat Governors." Either way, it is a lie because it intentionally tries to paint a picture that isn't true. I won't blame Henry for starting the lie because it's the Washington Post's slanted reporting that did it and he just took what they gave him and regurgitated it without having the intelligence to consider what it said, or more importantly, omitted.
The Post's article goes out of its way to avoid providing a complete list of the states with good performance or by mentioning any state with a surplus whose governor is a Democrat. This is an intentional attempt to make it seem that only those states with Republican governors had surpluses while states with Democrat governors performed poorly...morons eat this shit up! The reality is that 60% of the country's governors are Republicans and 40% are Democrats. I think that if you do the research, you'll find that more or less 60% of the best performing states have Republican governors while the other 40% have Democrats (duh!)...likewise with the states with the worst performance.
Great talking point for those desperate to prove a point and for those too stupid and gullible to see through their ruse.
I provided some simple facts....just pointing out something. I did not use just one source, I used other's to confirm what I stated was true.
I just made a point, and YOU want to twist it....go for it.
I fully expected it.
One of those states is Indiana, and I suppose that was Mitch's doing eh? :rolleyes:
I wonder if we drill down into all of those states budgets to determine the source(s) for these sudden surpluses in hard economic times, what we will find? (Tax sales, fee's, wheel taxes, etc. etc. etc.)
Wonder how much of that is federal stimulus funding that went undistributed?
Quote from: Palehorse on July 19, 2011, 12:09:16 PM
One of those states is Indiana, and I suppose that was Mitch's doing eh? :rolleyes:
I wonder if we drill down into all of those states budgets to determine the source(s) for these sudden surpluses in hard economic times, what we will find? (Tax sales, fee's, wheel taxes, etc. etc. etc.)
Wonder how much of that is federal stimulus funding that went undistributed?
I wonder, I wonder.....the bottom line IS, the states that choose to cut spending and keep taxes low.....IMPROVED. Those that didn't continued their debts.....
Plain and simple.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 19, 2011, 12:34:13 PM
I wonder, I wonder.....the bottom line IS, the states that choose to cut spending and keep taxes low.....IMPROVED. Those that didn't continued their debts.....
Plain and simple.
I just wait until Old Mitch leaves and we'll see all of the skeletons he has left in his dark closets.
Old Mitch pulled a lot of dirty tricks. Like selling our taxpayer Turnpike, for peanuts. Something we will lose our ass over years and years. He sure has hurt education and the towns and cities with cutting of state aid to them.
I sure glad you love the son of a bitch. You can remember him two time a year when you move the hands on you watch, clocks and all of the other clocks you have in office, home and car. Your are so wonderful Henry. :smitten:
Quote from: The Troll on July 19, 2011, 12:50:00 PM
I just wait until Old Mitch leaves and we'll see all of the skeletons he has left in his dark closets.
Old Mitch pulled a lot of dirty tricks. Like selling our taxpayer Turnpike, for peanuts. Something we will lose our ass over years and years. He sure has hurt education and the towns and cities with cutting of state aid to them.
I sure glad you love the son of a bitch. You can remember him two time a year when you move the hands on you watch, clocks and all of the other clocks you have in office, home and car. Your are so wonderful Henry. :smitten:
Old man, say what you want.............big f'ing deal, we don't own a freaking highway up north.......big deal, that we have to change our clocks twice a year.....wow! how horribe that is. We are now doing what the rest of the country is doing. Our schools are fine......no kid is going to be hurt. We could NO longer continue to pay teachers the pay and benifits they are getting and not cut somewhere......we was overspending....and we now have a grip on it......the POTUS should take note and some tips off of ol Mitch.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 19, 2011, 12:09:16 PM
Wonder how much of that is federal stimulus funding that went undistributed?
Actually, as the article that Henry linked to points out, much of the improvement was due to higher than expected receipts; much of that is from stimulus funding that went undistributed. Next year's projections for those same states is not so rosy.
Since I pointed out that there isn't really any monopoly by either party on which states performed the best or the worst but Hank insists on continuing to try to make it appear as though the Republicans "outdid" the Democrats (while claiming someone else is spinning the facts), one can only assume that he is intentionally framing the conversation the way he is because he's a liar....typical.
whatever skippy.... :rolleyes:
It isn't like we haven't known that for some time.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 19, 2011, 01:08:42 PM
It isn't like we haven't known that for some time.
who is "WE"....you and Troll?....
Pretty much everyone but you, "me" and a couple of other right-wing shills that show up here from time to time recognized your willingness to lie or skew information in your feeble attempts to make a point.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 19, 2011, 01:13:09 PM
Pretty much everyone but you, "me" and a couple of other right-wing shills that show up here from time to time recognized your willingness to lie or skew information in your feeble attempts to make a point.
got any proof....or is it just YOUR fucked up opinion?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 19, 2011, 01:15:22 PM
got any proof....or is it just YOUR fucked up opinion?
Uh, this thread pretty much proves you're a fucking liar, genius.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 19, 2011, 01:28:45 PM
Uh, this thread pretty much proves you're a fucking liar, genius.
I did not lie ONCE.....I stated facts.
When you only include some of the facts and slant those in such a way as to make a point that is not true, it is lying.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 19, 2011, 01:44:27 PM
When you only include some of the facts and slant those in such a way as to make a point that is not true, it is lying.
then MSNBC, NBC, CBS, CNN, ABC are all liars then.....
the bottom line is I posted facts about some states, thier finanial status and who was governor.....and stated MY opinion.......that's it.
Draw your own conclusions...I am not the news....just somebody who loves to bug the shit out of you on this forum.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 19, 2011, 11:54:41 AM
Because you are; here's why...
On the surface, this statement is almost true...it would be in Henry had said, "many of those states in serious debt are led by Democrat Governors." Either way, it is a lie because it intentionally tries to paint a picture that isn't true. I won't blame Henry for starting the lie because it's the Washington Post's slanted reporting that did it and he just took what they gave him and regurgitated it without having the intelligence to consider what it said, or more importantly, omitted.
The Post's article goes out of its way to avoid providing a complete list of the states with good performance or by mentioning any state with a surplus whose governor is a Democrat. This is an intentional attempt to make it seem that only those states with Republican governors had surpluses while states with Democrat governors performed poorly...morons eat this shit up! The reality is that 60% of the country's governors are Republicans and 40% are Democrats. I think that if you do the research, you'll find that more or less 60% of the best performing states have Republican governors while the other 40% have Democrats (duh!)...likewise with the states with the worst performance.
Great talking point for those desperate to prove a point and for those too stupid and gullible to see through their ruse.
Did ya make a mistake there smart ass? Oh no, you must have meant that 'cause you don't make mistakes...... :no:
Quote from: me on July 19, 2011, 02:40:57 PM
Did ya make a mistake there smart ass? Oh no, you must have meant that 'cause you don't make mistakes...... :no:
There's a big difference between a typo and being illiterate, douche.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 19, 2011, 03:32:37 PM
There's a big difference between a typo and being illiterate, douche.
Oh I see, when you make a mistake it's a typo and when HH does it it's due to being illiterate. Must be one of the things you learned in your reasoning class.
Quote from: me on July 19, 2011, 03:43:42 PM
Oh I see, when you make a mistake it's a typo and when HH does it it's due to being illiterate. Must be one of the things you learned in your reasoning class.
Just his spinning abilities.............like most liberals.
Look, you two ass-clowns, using the word, "is," intead of, "are," as in, "we is..." is not a fucking typo anymore than saying, "I seen him yesterday." I am not spinning your third grade reading equivalencies; you are.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 19, 2011, 12:59:05 PM
Old man, say what you want.............big f'ing deal, we don't own a freaking highway up north.......big deal, that we have to change our clocks twice a year.....wow! how horribe that is. We are now doing what the rest of the country is doing. Our schools are fine......no kid is going to be hurt. We could NO longer continue to pay teachers the pay and benifits they are getting and not cut somewhere......we was overspending....and we now have a grip on it......the POTUS should take note and some tips off of ol Mitch.
You know Hawk you are a miserable son of a bitch. Always want to cut some one Else's wages and benefits. Damn there is no way I could have you for a friend. For the main reason, I couldn't trust you as far as I could throw my F250 pickup truck. You would stab me in the back :sneaky: the first time you got a chance, lie to me and bare false witness against me or anyone I know.
I don't know what cause you to be the way you are. But dude you are not human. Well, you are a scab and as far as being religious you don't know the main thing in the bible. The Golden Rule. Do un to other as you would have done to you. It is sure not in your book or your life. :pray: :preach: :pope: Put something in the pot Henery, you need too big time. :pray:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 19, 2011, 04:18:55 PM
Look, you two ass-clowns, using the word, "is," intead of, "are," as in, "we is..." is not a fucking typo anymore than saying, "I seen him yesterday." I am not spinning your third grade reading equivalencies; you are.
intead? It seems as that you continually making typo's is showing just how illiterate YOU may very well be....hmmm :yes:
Quote from: The Troll on July 19, 2011, 04:26:27 PM
You know Hawk you are a miserable son of a bitch. Always want to cut some one Else's wages and benefits. Damn there is no way I could have you for a friend. For the main reason, I couldn't trust you as far as I could throw my F250 pickup truck. You would stab me in the back :sneaky: the first time you got a chance, lie to me and bare false witness against me or anyone I know.
I don't know what cause you to be the way you are. But dude you are not human. Well, you are a scab and as far as being religious you don't know the main thing in the bible. The Golden Rule. Do un to other as you would have done to you. It is sure not in your book or your life. :pray: :preach: :pope: Put something in the pot Henery, you need too big time. :pray:
Again, another typical liberal response....gotta get nasty and rude when they can no longer carry a civil debate.
Gotta love it when sheep become editors! LMFATO!
Get called out on the spin and fall back on grammar!
SOP!!!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 18, 2011, 02:27:09 PM
Many states celebrate surpluses as Congress struggles with debt
As Washington stares at rising national debt and projected deficits for years to come, many states are faced with the opposite problem: whether to spend their budget surpluses and, if so, on what.
At least a dozen states ended fiscal 2011 with surpluses. Indiana reported one of the largest, with an extra $1.2 billion in its accounts. Gov. Mitch Daniels, a Republican, on Friday authorized bonus payments of up to $1,000 for state employees. An employee who "meets expectations" will get $500, those who "exceed expectations" will receive $750 and "outstanding workers" will see an extra $1,000 in their August paychecks.
"No state anywhere comes close to Indiana's record of spending tax dollars carefully, with total savings over the last six years in the billions. Your spending efficiency has enabled us to stay in the black even as revenues plummeted," said Mr. Daniels.
I find it very interesting many of the states reporting being in the black are led by REPUBLICAN Governors...and those states that are in serious debt are led by DEMOCRAT Govenors....hmmmmmmmmm....Maybe, just maybe, our POTUS should LISTEN to what these guys are doing to be successful with the taxpayers money.....
Idaho ended the year with an $85 million surplus....Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter, a Republican
Maine finished the year with a surplus of nearly $50 million....Gov. Paul LePage, a Republican
Ohio had an $8 billion deficit, and has been wiped it out, and eliminated.... Gov. John Kasich, a Republican
South Carolina in the black..............Gov. Nikki Haley a Republican.
Connecticut ranked worst in the country with overall $53.35 billion of debt....Gov. Dannel Malloy a Democrat
Illinois with Gov Pat Quinn, a Democrat, Hawaii with Gov Neil Abercrombie, a Democrat, Kentucky, with Gov Steve Beshear a Democrat, Massachusetts with Gov Deval Patrick a Democrat...all extremely in debt.
But, then you go to;
Nebraska, with Republican Gov. Dave Heineman, North Dakota with Republican Jack Dalrymple, Utah, with Republican Gov. Gary R. Herbert and Wyoming, with Gov. Matt Mead , a REPULICAN....all have sufficient assets available to meet their debt obligations.
Is it JUST me who thinks this is just not ironic, but perhaps there is something to this?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/17/many-states-celebrate-surpluses-as-congress-strugg/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/17/many-states-celebrate-surpluses-as-congress-strugg/)
I seem funny how you pick out governor of Kentucky Steve Beshear as a governor who is in debt.
You must look a little farther. Steve Beshear replaced Republican Ernie Fletcher who was dogged by political scandals. Old Ernie Fletcher one of those good old Southern boy left Kentucky in the same condition as George W. left Obama with a economy of garbage.
You're going to wise up a little Hawk Boy. :doh:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 19, 2011, 06:05:40 PM
Gotta love it when sheep become editors! LMFATO!
Get called out on the spin and fall back on grammar!
SOP!!!
seriously PH, I expect that from the asshole but not you...
I call them as I see them! That slanted piece you used was exposed!
Quote from: Palehorse on July 19, 2011, 10:23:15 PM
I call them as I see them! That slanted piece you used was exposed!
there was NOTHING slanted....I pointed out the states that had a suplus and named the Govs party......the top five who struggled the most were dems.....I am not a journalist, I am just a zone friend discussing politics...........and pointing out a few things......that's it.
Getting personal is pretty much the way the libs on here act and it is ridicules.
I would like to think those who SAY they know me could NOT stab me in the back and pile on with personal attack.....but, wtf....I guess I should expect it.
I have been down this road before so, that is just the way it is... 8)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 20, 2011, 08:39:32 AM
...the top five who struggled the most were dems.....I am not a journalist, I am just a zone friend discussing politics...........and pointing out a few things......that's it.
Name those top five.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 20, 2011, 08:39:32 AM
there was NOTHING slanted....I pointed out the states that had a suplus and named the Govs party......the top five who struggled the most were dems.....I am not a journalist, I am just a zone friend discussing politics...........and pointing out a few things......that's it.
Getting personal is pretty much the way the libs on here act and it is ridicules.
I would like to think those who SAY they know me could NOT stab me in the back and pile on with personal attack.....but, wtf....I guess I should expect it.
I have been down this road before so, that is just the way it is... 8)
:music1: Now you say your sorry :music1: and to prove that you are :music1: :cry: cry me a river, :music1: :cry: cry me a river :music1: Herery cried a river over it. :music1: Hee, hee, hee. :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 20, 2011, 10:32:24 AM
Crickets...
I'm done with you Ex....I can have all of the evidence in the world to prove I am right with you and you would never admit, but rather find a grammer error or attack the number of kids I have or anything to distract my point.
I am done with you....period. I really had nothing to prove to you or anyone on here........
I will continue to post what I want and move on....if you like it or dont' like it...it is no sweat off of my brow....
Name the five states that struggled the most, liar.
Wow you called me a liar..........I guess I will do what you say then......... :rolleyes:
suck it!
LMAO! Exposed and pwned!
Quote from: Exterminator on July 20, 2011, 11:36:44 AM
LMAO! Exposed and pwned!
pwned?????? Is that a new word in the world of snobs? Maybe you should have taken a typing class too. :razz:
Quote from: me on July 20, 2011, 03:23:12 PM
pwned?????? Is that a new word in the world of snobs? Maybe you should have taken a typing class too. :razz:
Once again, your ignorance shines! God forbid you ever actually look anything up before you comment...
(http://chronic-dev.org/files/pwned.jpg)
Quote from: Exterminator on July 21, 2011, 08:35:18 AM
Once again, your ignorance shines! God forbid you ever actually look anything up before you comment...
(http://chronic-dev.org/files/pwned.jpg)
EX, "ME" is so serious she wouldn't know what the game "WARCRAFT" would be. She was so poor as a child the only thing she had to play with was herself. :rotfl: :rotfl: I say that girl was so poor and alone her dad had to put a pork chop around her neck to get the family dog to play with her. Hee, hee, hee. :chick:
Heck, I'm not even familiar with the game Warcraft but the use of the word "pwned" is pretty widely known...I've even heard it discussed on a language program on NPR!
This is jest two gunny for wordsicals. Lest alonnee typooooos.
Pwned! Kin yew emagine woh snobberisich that sowndz!!
Yew snobbbbbbery yew!
Quote from: Exterminator on July 21, 2011, 10:29:35 AM
Heck, I'm not even familiar with the game Warcraft but the use of the word "pwned" is pretty widely known...I've even heard it discussed on a language program on NPR!
"pwned - warcraft" Goggle says it is a corruption of owned. The word came about with a computer map designer misspelling the work "owned" in the game of Warcraft.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 21, 2011, 08:35:18 AM
Once again, your ignorance shines! God forbid you ever actually look anything up before you comment...
(http://chronic-dev.org/files/pwned.jpg)
And again your snobbery is showing. Why should I look up an idiot word, or invented word, just to please an inconsiderate, insecure, know it all, snob?
Quote from: me on July 22, 2011, 05:24:48 PM
And again your snobbery is showing. Why should I look up an idiot word, or invented word, just to please an inconsiderate, insecure, know it all, snob?
He may be showing his snobbery, but you're showing your ass. Dim Blub is you had read my post, just 2 post before yours, I had looked it up and I posted it for you half bright ding dongs. Your sure not the brightest bulb in the package. :flap: :flap: :yes: :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on July 22, 2011, 05:35:53 PM
He may be showing his snobbery, but you're showing your ass. Dim Blub is you had read my post, just 2 post before yours, I had looked it up and I posted it for you half bright ding dongs. Your sure not the brightest bulb in the package. :flap: :flap: :yes: :biggrin:
I did dumb ass. I was replying about his reply to my post which had nothing to do with what you posted. Keep up Troll.
Quote from: me on July 22, 2011, 05:47:37 PM
I did dumb ass. I was replying about his reply to my post which had nothing to do with what you posted. Keep up Troll.
Thanks DB, (dim blub)
I see ol Mitchie pooh took some of the "surplus" and threw the dogs a bone with it. . . :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 24, 2011, 02:53:07 PM
I see ol Mitchie pooh took some of the "surplus" and threw the dogs a bone with it. . . :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
damned if he does...damned if he doesn't....MORE propagand BS
Quote from: Palehorse on July 24, 2011, 02:53:07 PM
I see ol Mitchie pooh took some of the "surplus" and threw the dogs a bone with it. . . :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I wonder how much ass kissing :kissit: brown nosing and tea bagging these people had to do to get their bonus. Hail to Caesar Mitch, the bald head bitch. :biggrin:
For me it like Old Bald Head Mitch is pouring salt into the taxpayers wounds. Fuck you Indiana Republicans SOBs.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 24, 2011, 05:46:09 PM
damned if he does...damned if he doesn't....MORE propagand BS
I don't want to hear anything about unemployment being unfunded in this state! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: