AN 8.9 EARTHQUAKE Struck off the coast of Japan at about 1:00 - 1:30AM EST this morning followed by a 13 to 33 foot TSUNAMI!
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BULLETIN
TSUNAMI MESSAGE NUMBER 7
NWS PACIFIC TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER EWA BEACH HI
133 AM HST FRI MAR 11 2011
TO - CIVIL DEFENSE IN THE STATE OF HAWAII
SUBJECT - TSUNAMI WARNING SUPPLEMENT
A TSUNAMI WARNING CONTINUES IN EFFECT FOR THE STATE OF HAWAII.
AN EARTHQUAKE HAS OCCURRED WITH THESE PRELIMINARY PARAMETERS
ORIGIN TIME - 0746 PM HST 10 MAR 2011
COORDINATES - 38.3 NORTH 142.4 EAST
LOCATION - NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU JAPAN
MAGNITUDE - 8.9 MOMENT
MEASUREMENTS OR REPORTS OF TSUNAMI WAVE ACTIVITY
GAUGE LOCATION LAT LON TIME AMPL PER
TOSASHIMIZU SHIKOKU 32.8N 133.0E 0946Z 0.84M / 2.8FT 28MIN
ADAK AK 51.9N 176.6W 1034Z 0.35M / 1.2FT 22MIN
YAP FM 9.5N 138.1E 1013Z 0.15M / 0.5FT 88MIN
LEGASPI PH 13.1N 123.8E 1022Z 0.29M / 1.0FT **MIN
MIDWAY 28.2N 177.4W 1028Z 1.56M / 5.1FT 80MIN
DART 21415 50.2N 171.8E 0845Z 0.27M / 0.9FT 52MIN
WAKE US 19.3N 166.6E 0928Z 0.39M / 1.3FT 14MIN
NAHA OKINAWA JP 26.2N 127.7E 0901Z 0.25M / 0.8FT 60MIN
SAIPAN US 15.2N 145.7E 0916Z 0.65M / 2.1FT 30MIN
OMAEZAKI HONSHU JP 34.6N 138.2E 0818Z 1.42M / 4.6FT 56MIN
DART 21419 44.5N 155.7E 0716Z 0.40M / 1.3FT 20MIN
DART 21413 30.5N 152.1E 0659Z 0.76M / 2.5FT 32MIN
HANASAKI HOKKAIDO J 43.3N 145.6E 0657Z 2.79M / 9.2FT 76MIN
DART 21401 42.6N 152.6E 0643Z 0.67M / 2.2FT 40MIN
DART 21418 38.7N 148.7E 0619Z 1.08M / 3.5FT 06MIN
LAT - LATITUDE (N-NORTH, S-SOUTH)
LON - LONGITUDE (E-EAST, W-WEST)
TIME - TIME OF THE MEASUREMENT (Z IS UTC IS GREENWICH TIME)
AMPL - TSUNAMI AMPLITUDE MEASURED RELATIVE TO NORMAL SEA LEVEL.
IT IS ...NOT... CREST-TO-TROUGH WAVE HEIGHT.
VALUES ARE GIVEN IN BOTH METERS(M) AND FEET(FT).
PER - PERIOD OF TIME IN MINUTES(MIN) FROM ONE WAVE TO THE NEXT.
NOTE - DART MEASUREMENTS ARE FROM THE DEEP OCEAN AND THEY
ARE GENERALLY MUCH SMALLER THAN WOULD BE COASTAL
MEASUREMENTS AT SIMILAR LOCATIONS.
EVALUATION
A TSUNAMI HAS BEEN GENERATED THAT COULD CAUSE DAMAGE ALONG
COASTLINES OF ALL ISLANDS IN THE STATE OF HAWAII. URGENT ACTION
SHOULD BE TAKEN TO PROTECT LIVES AND PROPERTY.
A TSUNAMI IS A SERIES OF LONG OCEAN WAVES. EACH INDIVIDUAL WAVE
CREST CAN LAST 5 TO 15 MINUTES OR MORE AND EXTENSIVELY FLOOD
COASTAL AREAS. THE DANGER CAN CONTINUE FOR MANY HOURS AFTER THE
INITIAL WAVE AS SUBSEQUENT WAVES ARRIVE. TSUNAMI WAVE HEIGHTS
CANNOT BE PREDICTED AND THE FIRST WAVE MAY NOT BE THE LARGEST.
TSUNAMI WAVES EFFICIENTLY WRAP AROUND ISLANDS. ALL SHORES ARE AT
RISK NO MATTER WHICH DIRECTION THEY FACE. THE TROUGH OF A TSUNAMI
WAVE MAY TEMPORARILY EXPOSE THE SEAFLOOR BUT THE AREA WILL
QUICKLY FLOOD AGAIN. EXTREMELY STRONG AND UNUSUAL NEARSHORE
CURRENTS CAN ACCOMPANY A TSUNAMI. DEBRIS PICKED UP AND CARRIED
BY A TSUNAMI AMPLIFIES ITS DESTRUCTIVE POWER. SIMULTANEOUS HIGH
TIDES OR HIGH SURF CAN SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE THE TSUNAMI HAZARD.
THE ESTIMATED ARRIVAL TIME IN HAWAII OF THE FIRST TSUNAMI WAVE IS
0307 AM HST FRI 11 MAR 2011
MESSAGES WILL BE ISSUED HOURLY OR SOONER AS CONDITIONS WARRANT.
The projected Tsunami waves are projected to reach the west coast of mainland USA around 10:45 this morning. . . It is projected to hit Hawaii within the next hour or so.
The waves projected to hit the west coast are predicted to reach up to 7 feet in height!
Estimated times of initial tsunami arrival:
DART 21415 2340 AKST MAR 10 0840 UTC MAR 11
Attu, Alaska 0012 AKST MAR 11 0912 UTC MAR 11
Shemya, Alaska 0013 AKST MAR 11 0913 UTC MAR 11
DART 21414 0013 AKST MAR 11 0913 UTC MAR 11
Amchitka Pass, Alaska (125 miles W of Adak) 0026 AKST MAR 11 0926 UTC MAR 11
Amchitka, Alaska 0029 AKST MAR 11 0929 UTC MAR 11
DART 46413 0051 AKST MAR 11 0951 UTC MAR 11
Atka, Alaska 0108 AKST MAR 11 1008 UTC MAR 11
Adak, Alaska 0110 AKST MAR 11 1010 UTC MAR 11
DART 46408 0111 AKST MAR 11 1011 UTC MAR 11
DART 46402 0138 AKST MAR 11 1038 UTC MAR 11
Nikolski, Alaska 0151 AKST MAR 11 1051 UTC MAR 11
DART 46403 0212 AKST MAR 11 1112 UTC MAR 11
Akutan, Alaska 0217 AKST MAR 11 1117 UTC MAR 11
Dutch Harbor, Alaska 0220 AKST MAR 11 1120 UTC MAR 11
Unimak Pass, Alaska (80 miles NE of Dutch Harbo 0228 AKST MAR 11 1128 UTC MAR 11
St. Paul, Alaska 0231 AKST MAR 11 1131 UTC MAR 11
DART 46409 0253 AKST MAR 11 1153 UTC MAR 11
King Cove, Alaska 0255 AKST MAR 11 1155 UTC MAR 11
Sand Point, Alaska 0257 AKST MAR 11 1157 UTC MAR 11
Perryville, Alaska 0319 AKST MAR 11 1219 UTC MAR 11
DART 46410 0319 AKST MAR 11 1219 UTC MAR 11
Cold Bay, Alaska 0329 AKST MAR 11 1229 UTC MAR 11
Chignik Bay, Alaska 0350 AKST MAR 11 1250 UTC MAR 11
Cape Suckling, Alaska (75 miles SE of Cordova) 0351 AKST MAR 11 1251 UTC MAR 11
Kodiak, Alaska 0351 AKST MAR 11 1251 UTC MAR 11
Old Harbor, Alaska 0353 AKST MAR 11 1253 UTC MAR 11
Hinchinbrook Entrance, Alaska (90 miles E of Se 0401 AKST MAR 11 1301 UTC MAR 11
Seward, Alaska 0416 AKST MAR 11 1316 UTC MAR 11
Alitak, Alaska 0417 AKST MAR 11 1317 UTC MAR 11
Elfin Cove, Alaska 0418 AKST MAR 11 1318 UTC MAR 11
Kennedy Entrance, Alaska (40 miles SW of Homer) 0420 AKST MAR 11 1320 UTC MAR 11
Yakutat, Alaska 0425 AKST MAR 11 1325 UTC MAR 11
Sitka, Alaska 0425 AKST MAR 11 1325 UTC MAR 11
Salisbury Sound, Alaska (25 miles NW of Sitka) 0426 AKST MAR 11 1326 UTC MAR 11
Saint Matthew Island, Alaska 0426 AKST MAR 11 1326 UTC MAR 11
Cape Fairweather, Alaska (80 miles SE of Yakuta 0426 AKST MAR 11 1326 UTC MAR 11
Port Alexander, Alaska 0427 AKST MAR 11 1327 UTC MAR 11
the Alaska/British Columbia border 0531 PST MAR 11 1331 UTC MAR 11
Valdez, Alaska 0435 AKST MAR 11 1335 UTC MAR 11
Langara Island, British Columbia 0535 PST MAR 11 1335 UTC MAR 11
Cordova, Alaska 0445 AKST MAR 11 1345 UTC MAR 11
Cape Decision, Alaska (85 miles SE of Sitka) 0447 AKST MAR 11 1347 UTC MAR 11
DART 46419 0600 PST MAR 11 1400 UTC MAR 11
Homer, Alaska 0508 AKST MAR 11 1408 UTC MAR 11
DART 46404 0617 PST MAR 11 1417 UTC MAR 11
the north tip of Vancouver Island, British Colu 0619 PST MAR 11 1419 UTC MAR 11
DART 46407 0625 PST MAR 11 1425 UTC MAR 11
Craig, Alaska 0526 AKST MAR 11 1426 UTC MAR 11
Ketchikan, Alaska 0533 AKST MAR 11 1433 UTC MAR 11
Juneau, Alaska 0535 AKST MAR 11 1435 UTC MAR 11
DART 46411 0649 PST MAR 11 1449 UTC MAR 11
Gambell, Alaska 0558 AKST MAR 11 1458 UTC MAR 11
Tofino, British Columbia 0658 PST MAR 11 1458 UTC MAR 11
the Washington-British Columbia border 0704 PST MAR 11 1504 UTC MAR 11
Prince Rupert, British Columbia 0704 PST MAR 11 1504 UTC MAR 11
Neah Bay, Washington 0710 PST MAR 11 1510 UTC MAR 11
Cape Blanco, Oregon 0711 PST MAR 11 1511 UTC MAR 11
La Push, Washington 0711 PST MAR 11 1511 UTC MAR 11
Clatsop Spit, Oregon 0712 PST MAR 11 1512 UTC MAR 11
the Oregon-Washington border 0712 PST MAR 11 1512 UTC MAR 11
Point Grenville, Washington 0714 PST MAR 11 1514 UTC MAR 11
Port Moller, Alaska 0614 AKST MAR 11 1514 UTC MAR 11
Charleston, Oregon 0715 PST MAR 11 1515 UTC MAR 11
Cascade Head, Oregon (70 miles SW of Portland) 0716 PST MAR 11 1516 UTC MAR 11
Douglas/Lane County Line, Oregon (10 miles SW o 0717 PST MAR 11 1517 UTC MAR 11
Cape Mendocino, California 0717 PST MAR 11 1517 UTC MAR 11
Tillamook Bay, Oregon 0718 PST MAR 11 1518 UTC MAR 11
Horse Mountain, California (50 miles SW of Eure 0719 PST MAR 11 1519 UTC MAR 11
Fort Bragg, California 0721 PST MAR 11 1521 UTC MAR 11
Humboldt Bay, California 0722 PST MAR 11 1522 UTC MAR 11
the Oregon-California border 0723 PST MAR 11 1523 UTC MAR 11
Crescent City, California 0723 PST MAR 11 1523 UTC MAR 11
Seaside, Oregon 0724 PST MAR 11 1524 UTC MAR 11
Westport, Washington 0725 PST MAR 11 1525 UTC MAR 11
Newport, Oregon 0726 PST MAR 11 1526 UTC MAR 11
Point Arena, California 0726 PST MAR 11 1526 UTC MAR 11
Gualala Point, California (80 miles NW of San F 0727 PST MAR 11 1527 UTC MAR 11
Point Reyes, California 0739 PST MAR 11 1539 UTC MAR 11
Davenport, California (10 miles NW of Santa Cru 0739 PST MAR 11 1539 UTC MAR 11
Point Sur, California 0742 PST MAR 11 1542 UTC MAR 11
Astoria, Oregon 0744 PST MAR 11 1544 UTC MAR 11
Monterey, California 0744 PST MAR 11 1544 UTC MAR 11
Port Angeles, Washington 0748 PST MAR 11 1548 UTC MAR 11
Ragged Point, California (45 miles NW of San Lu 0750 PST MAR 11 1550 UTC MAR 11
DART 46412 0752 PST MAR 11 1552 UTC MAR 11
Point Concepcion, California 0757 PST MAR 11 1557 UTC MAR 11
Port San Luis, California 0803 PST MAR 11 1603 UTC MAR 11
Bella Bella, British Columbia 0805 PST MAR 11 1605 UTC MAR 11
San Francisco, California 0808 PST MAR 11 1608 UTC MAR 11
Cape Newenham, Alaska 0716 AKST MAR 11 1616 UTC MAR 11
Santa Barbara, California 0817 PST MAR 11 1617 UTC MAR 11
Rincon Point, California (15 miles SE of Santa 0828 PST MAR 11 1628 UTC MAR 11
Santa Monica, California 0831 PST MAR 11 1631 UTC MAR 11
San Pedro, California 0832 PST MAR 11 1632 UTC MAR 11
Newport Beach, California 0837 PST MAR 11 1637 UTC MAR 11
La Jolla, California 0841 PST MAR 11 1641 UTC MAR 11
Seattle, Washington 0844 PST MAR 11 1644 UTC MAR 11
Alamitos Bay, California (20 miles SE of L.A.) 0846 PST MAR 11 1646 UTC MAR 11
the California-Mexico border 0847 PST MAR 11 1647 UTC MAR 11
Hooper Bay, Alaska 0846 AKST MAR 11 1746 UTC MAR 11
Little Diomede Island, Alaska 0856 AKST MAR 11 1756 UTC MAR 11
Dillingham, Alaska 0938 AKST MAR 11 1838 UTC MAR 11
Nome, Alaska 1051 AKST MAR 11 1951 UTC MAR 11
Unalakleet, Alaska 1422 AKST MAR 11 2322 UTC MAR 11
Quote from: Palehorse on March 11, 2011, 07:09:53 AM
The projected Tsunami waves are projected to reach the west coast of mainland USA around 10:45 this morning. . . It is projected to hit Hawaii within the next hour or so.
The waves projected to hit the west coast are predicted to reach up to 7 feet in height!
Is it this year or next year that the world comes to it's end. :biggrin:
Next year, 2012, my grandson is bummed because it is his 18th birthday. Don't think he is very worried about it though, too much going on in his life that is good.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/03/11/vo.whirlpool.earthquake.nhk?hpt=C2 (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/03/11/vo.whirlpool.earthquake.nhk?hpt=C2)
Above link connects you to a video of a giant whirlpool that formed off the shore of Japan after this earthquake! :spooked:
Damage reports coming in from areas of Hawaii now. . .
I just heard from my friend, she's safe and okay.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on March 11, 2011, 10:08:56 AM
I just heard from my friend, she's safe and okay.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
This is but a sip of the true flood of despair and destruction God can reign upon you
Quote from: Doc on March 11, 2011, 11:35:15 AM
This is but a sip of the true flood of despair and destruction God can reign upon you
Who let you out of your cage?
Hundreds are now being reported dead in Japan.
Let the skydaddy blathering begin!
http://www.youtube.com/v/JhJzdtzl6KY
Okay, this is just plain old scary! :spooked: :spooked: :spooked: :spooked:
:spooked:
At least one of Japan's nuclear power generation stations has experienced fire and a "nuclear incident" due to this EQ. . .
Radiation readings are rising in area adjacent to the plant. . . :spooked:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 11, 2011, 12:21:20 PM
Radiation readings are rising in area adjacent to the plant. . . :spooked:
according to the POTUS there are no radiation leaks....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 11, 2011, 01:12:25 PM
according to the POTUS there are no radiation leaks....
Excuse me for trying to pass along the latest information from the media sources I consult. I will no longer attempt to keep anyone but myself informed.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 11, 2011, 01:15:03 PM
Excuse me for trying to pass along the latest information from the media sources I consult. I will no longer attempt to keep anyone but myself informed.
are you serious? :confused: :razz: I am just passing on what the POTUS JUST said during his press conference...I am NOT trying to counterdict anything you stated....
wth? :spooked:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 11, 2011, 01:17:17 PM
are you serious? :confused: :razz: I am just passing on what the POTUS JUST said during his press conference...I am NOT trying to counterdict anything you stated....
wth? :spooked:
You're not trying to contradict anything I am saying? Okay. . .
I'm glad you watched the POTUS, as I myself did, and hope you were paying attention to his factual statements surrounding the status of oil production and consumption in this country.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 11, 2011, 01:32:14 PM
You're not trying to contradict anything I am saying? Okay. . .
I'm glad you watched the POTUS, as I myself did, and hope you were paying attention to his factual statements surrounding the status of oil production and consumption in this country.
I did "listen" to him, as I am doing my job.
I'm not convinced they are "factual" statements surrounding the status of oil production and consumption in this country..but, I did hear them and find them interesting. He HAS been known to not always have his facts correct...so, I'm not all giddy, and ready to declare his statements as FACTS.
Quote. . .U.S. President Barack Obama said Friday that Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan told him there was no evidence so far of radiation leaks from nuclear reactors due to the earthquake and tsunami, an assertion also made by Edano earlier in the day.
Yet Edano said the Fukushima Daiichi reactor "remains at a high temperature," because it "cannot cool down." The Kyodo agency reported Friday that the radiation level was rising in a turbine building at the plant.
That plant and three others were shut down following the quake, after Japan declared a state of atomic power emergency. . .
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/11/japan.nuclear/index.html?hpt=T1 (http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/11/japan.nuclear/index.html?hpt=T1)
1 USN Aircraft carrier already on site, 2 in route as well as support vessels. All at official Japanese request.
The nuclear plant mentioned above is presently the target of at least one mission US forces have been tasked with; to carry in cooling water for the targeted facility in order to attempt to prevent an environmental release. (Cooling water sources normally used for this task have been rendered inoperable due to the massive electricity shortages driven by the tsunami)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 11, 2011, 01:41:47 PM
I did "listen" to him, as I am doing my job.
I'm not convinced they are "factual" statements surrounding the status of oil production and consumption in this country..but, I did hear them and find them interesting. He HAS been known to not always have his facts correct...so, I'm not all giddy, and ready to declare his statements as FACTS.
Nothing he stated should have come as a surprise to you. It is
all information I and others have been stating since the Gulf Oil crises. . . And the resources necessary to confirm it
all are contained in that topic. :yes:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/03/11/vo.whirlpool.earthquake.nhk?hpt=C2 (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/03/11/vo.whirlpool.earthquake.nhk?hpt=C2)
Check out the video of the massive whirlpool off the coast of Japan.
SPECULATION:
Historically, when we've seen whirlpools like this form in connection with a seismic even, they are indicative of a HUGE shift downward of one of the oceanic plates sub-surface. My point in making this speculative statement is that such shifts are typically associated with tremendous pressures being transferred along those plate lines, globally, which in turn translates into increased pressures along fault lines and plate lines around the world. While this incident is a the release of pressure in the area it occurred in, it also represents increase(s) elsewhere in the world.
I wonder where we'll see it next? Logically it will begin in areas logistically close to the area at first, (Mount Fuji eruption?), but odds are it will not stop there. . . (For every action there is an equal opposite reaction). . . :spooked: :spooked: :spooked:
A 6.6 just hit Nagano Japan, 200 miles from the first one. :spooked:
And this is a different plate than the one that shook this morning. . . (IIRC) :spooked:
two reactors in that Nagano area....also, that quake was 12 miles below the surface.
UPDATED
Magnitude
6.2
Date-Time
Friday, March 11, 2011 at 18:59:15 UTC
Saturday, March 12, 2011 at 03:59:15 AM at epicenter
Location
37.037°N, 138.355°E
Depth
1 km (~0.6 mile)
Region
NEAR THE WEST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
Distances
46 km (29 miles) NNE (21°) from Nagano, Honshu, Japan
95 km (59 miles) NW (318°) from Maebashi, Honshu, Japan
116 km (72 miles) SSW (212°) from Niigata, Honshu, Japan
197 km (122 miles) NW (321°) from TOKYO, Japan
Location Uncertainty
horizontal +/- 12.9 km (8.0 miles); depth +/- 0.2 km (0.1 miles)
Parameters
NST=409, Nph=415, Dmin=55.7 km, Rmss=1.16 sec, Gp= 29°,
M-type=teleseismic moment magnitude (Mw), Version=9
Source
U.S. Geological Survey, National Earthquake Information Center:
World Data Center for Seismology, Denver
Event ID
usc0001z2a
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usc0001z2a.php (http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usc0001z2a.php)
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/10/140_40.php (http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/10/140_40.php)
This will help provide a little perspective surrounding where these two quakes, (and several others), have occurred in Japan today. Note that the one to the left of the map (in red) is the one from Nagano, and it is in a geographically different area compared to the rest of the activity:
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr111/hlovett_2008/140_40.gif)
Watch the video on this page ...
http://www.rdmag.com/News/2011/03/Earthquake-Tsunami-waves-hit-Hawaii-sweep-across-islands/ (http://www.rdmag.com/News/2011/03/Earthquake-Tsunami-waves-hit-Hawaii-sweep-across-islands/)
Quote from: Olias on March 11, 2011, 04:09:45 PM
Watch the video on this page ...
http://www.rdmag.com/News/2011/03/Earthquake-Tsunami-waves-hit-Hawaii-sweep-across-islands/ (http://www.rdmag.com/News/2011/03/Earthquake-Tsunami-waves-hit-Hawaii-sweep-across-islands/)
Thats some serious shaking! :yes:
A couple of facts surfacing from the media (NOT CONFIRMED yet)
Radiation coming from the out of control reactor is said to be 1,000 times normal levels.
Tsunami now said to be impacting Easter Island off coast of Chili . . .
Some of the live video feeds now coming in at sunrise in Japan are shocking to say the least. In addition to the damage inflicted by the EQ and tsunami, there is standing water that is going nowhere due to Japan's elevation. . . How utterly horrible and sad! :spooked: :spooked: :spooked:
CNN and Fox are having coverage of earthquake and tsunami. Real time translation from Japanese tv stations.
I can't watch any more of this. . . It is overwhelming. . .
One thing that has crossed my mind, but let me preface this by saying I understand the dire needs and the moral implications surrounding the needs of the Japanese people as human beings, and I totally agree with doing what we are to assist them. . . BUT - -
I find it VERY hard to morally reconcile the fact that once again the US and its peoples are stepping up to the plate to assist a country that has become a victim of a devastating natural disaster, and yet this same country and its peoples seem to turn a blind eye to those of us in this country who are suffering from unemployment, the financial crises, plant closings, hunger, etc. etc. etc.
"WE" (in the general use of the term), begrudge the victims next door across this nation, the assistance they require to overcome conditions that, in their world/life, represent just as dire consequences to their lives as those the people of Japan are now enduring.
"We" don't stop to think for one second about extending BILLIONS in aid and relief efforts and dollars to foreign countries, but shun our very own citizens as if they have the plague; even holding what very few lifelines they do have available to them "hostage" to a political principle. (The funding of which is nothing when compared to the billions this country extends in humanitarian aid each and every year to foreign countries).
We quibble over comparative pennies in aid to our own citizens while endlessly throwing dollars to foreigners. . . That is just wrong on so many levels I don't even know what else to say.
I wonder how many other countries are responding at the level we are? I wonder how many other countries will respond to Lady Liberty when she is similarly situated?
Quote from: Palehorse on March 11, 2011, 07:12:02 PM
I can't watch any more of this. . . It is overwhelming. . .
One thing that has crossed my mind, but let me preface this by saying I understand the dire needs and the moral implications surrounding the needs of the Japanese people as human beings, and I totally agree with doing what we are to assist them. . . BUT - -
I find it VERY hard to morally reconcile the fact that once again the US and its peoples are stepping up to the plate to assist a country that has become a victim of a devastating natural disaster, and yet this same country and its peoples seem to turn a blind eye to those of us in this country who are suffering from unemployment, the financial crises, plant closings, hunger, etc. etc. etc.
"WE" (in the general use of the term), begrudge the victims next door across this nation, the assistance they require to overcome conditions that, in their world/life, represent just as dire consequences to their lives as those the people of Japan are now enduring.
"We" don't stop to think for one second about extending BILLIONS in aid and relief efforts and dollars to foreign countries, but shun our very own citizens as if they have the plague; even holding what very few lifelines they do have available to them "hostage" to a political principle. (The funding of which is nothing when compared to the billions this country extends in humanitarian aid each and every year to foreign countries).
We quibble over comparative pennies in aid to our own citizens while endlessly throwing dollars to foreigners. . . That is just wrong on so many levels I don't even know what else to say.
I wonder how many other countries are responding at the level we are? I wonder how many other countries will respond to Lady Liberty when she is similarly situated?
No one. Maye some knows, but I don't remember Canada helping with the Gulf oil spill.
Also We're going to help Japan, but our government cut the Tasmania detection aid to Hawaii. Go figure. :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 11, 2011, 07:12:02 PM
I can't watch any more of this. . . It is overwhelming. . .
One thing that has crossed my mind, but let me preface this by saying I understand the dire needs and the moral implications surrounding the needs of the Japanese people as human beings, and I totally agree with doing what we are to assist them. . . BUT - -
I find it VERY hard to morally reconcile the fact that once again the US and its peoples are stepping up to the plate to assist a country that has become a victim of a devastating natural disaster, and yet this same country and its peoples seem to turn a blind eye to those of us in this country who are suffering from unemployment, the financial crises, plant closings, hunger, etc. etc. etc.
"WE" (in the general use of the term), begrudge the victims next door across this nation, the assistance they require to overcome conditions that, in their world/life, represent just as dire consequences to their lives as those the people of Japan are now enduring.
"We" don't stop to think for one second about extending BILLIONS in aid and relief efforts and dollars to foreign countries, but shun our very own citizens as if they have the plague; even holding what very few lifelines they do have available to them "hostage" to a political principle. (The funding of which is nothing when compared to the billions this country extends in humanitarian aid each and every year to foreign countries).
We quibble over comparative pennies in aid to our own citizens while endlessly throwing dollars to foreigners. . . That is just wrong on so many levels I don't even know what else to say.
I wonder how many other countries are responding at the level we are? I wonder how many other countries will respond to Lady Liberty when she is similarly situated?
plain and simple...I agree Palehorse.
The angel of death was very busy in Japan yesterday. I'm hearing preliminary estimates in excess of 5,000 killed in various media outlets. . . and going up. . . :spooked: One town is reporting as many as 9,500 still missing. . . :spooked: :spooked:
Yep, I was just reading this:
QuoteRoughly 9,500 in Minamisanriku -- a town of 17,000 in Miyagi Prefecture -- remain missing or unaccounted for, according to the Kyodo news agency, citing local government officials. As of Saturday evening, police said that 621 were confirmed dead, with thousands more missing. More than 210,000 had been evacuated.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/12/AR2011031201452.html?hpid=topnews&wpisrc=nl_natlalert
Grim picture :(
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on March 12, 2011, 10:01:54 AM
Yep, I was just reading this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/12/AR2011031201452.html?hpid=topnews&wpisrc=nl_natlalert
Grim picture :(
It is a really grim picture, but that comes with living in Japan. It's not if they are going to have an earthquake or a Tidal wave, it's when they will have a distaster.
But good old Uncle Sap will come to their aid and borrow some more money from China while we let they sell their Jap cars here in America duty free. Think about it. :biggrin:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.before.after/index.html?hpt=C2 (http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.before.after/index.html?hpt=C2)
Watch the above video. It contains before and after shots of areas devastated by the EQ and Tsunami.
Also, I've heard and read reports today that state the EQ moved the shoreline of Japan 8 feet, and tipped the earth off its axis! :eek: :eek: :eek:
Reports indicate that Japan may be getting nuked again; but this time we aren't doing it. . .
Officials say a meltdown of the reactor is very possible. They dumped a bunch of seawater into the reactor today in a last ditch effort to cool it down. I've not heard anything further surrounding the success or failure of that effort, and to tell you the truth, I don't have the heart to hear the news right now. :'(
This whole nuke thing has me thinking about things here in the US. I mean, I know it represents a much needed source for electricity generation, and we can sit here and discuss the pros and cons of nuclear energy forever and never get anywhere. What bothers me is that I am very concerned for what will happen when one of these earthen burps happen in the US, and in particular the central mid west; which is just chock full of nuclear power generation sites.
Let's face it, when it comes to homeland disaster responses in this country, I believe it is pretty safe to say that there are few to any of us that are content with our record surrounding response times and appropriateness of response. And I dare say that those of us amongst the population that have endured any of the disasters this country has been subject to will attest to the level of frustration and disappointment this has driven.
Yes, 9/11 drove some badly needed attention toward the subject, but still; events subsequent to that disaster clearly indicate improvements are needed. . . And they probably always will be.
Still. . . it is just a matter of time before a seismic event such as the one that happened in Japan, happens in the central midwest of this country, and those of living in Indiana are sitting very near to the New Madrid fault; which last burped in December 1811 through January 1812. Thats quickly approaching the 200 year mark. Plus, there are a TON of minor fault lines that run very near and throughout central and northern Indiana that, as we saw in Japan over the last 24 hours, can and will do a little burping of there own should New Madrid let loose.
Japan has been preparing for just such an event, (but expected to come from a very different intersection of plates), since 1976, and look at the trouble they are STILL having in dealing with it. And while we may not have the tsunami to deal with, we WILL have the nuke exposure - and depending upon exactly where momma earth decides to burp here, we may have a much higher level of possible exposure than they are enduring!
Yes, "they plan" for such things, but so did Japan; and despite redundant systems designed to thwart a plethora of scenarios, they all failed anyway. . . And while it is true that most of these facilities are west of Indiana, (Indiana has none - Turtle Creek is a coal fired generation station), one must consider that the prevailing winds track easterly, and should a release event happen in Illinois. . . well you get the picture. . .
I don't know about any of you, but I am going to be reviewing our disaster supplies, their locations, and my insurance policies here real soon. I hate being caught off guard, and do not want to be forced to wait days or even weeks upon disaster teams to provide the basic necessities needed to assure my family can survive whatever comes down the pike. . . And something is. . . I can feel it. . .
The Troll is for nuclear power. Absolutity nothing is 100% safe. We need them and we need they bad. I wish we had thousands. Remember they say that we are going to be hit by a killer astroid, not if but when.
But from what I have read :read: the Japanese nukes shut down because of the tidal wave and the earthquake. Guess what, when they shut down it stopped the electrical power that ran the water pumps that they needed to cool the rector down. :doh:
Quote from: The Troll on March 12, 2011, 08:15:51 PM
The Troll is for nuclear power. Absolutity nothing is 100% safe. We need them and we need they bad. I wish we had thousands. Remember they say that we are going to be hit by a killer astroid, not if but when.
But from what I have read :read: the Japanese nukes shut down because of the tidal wave and the earthquake. Guess what, when they shut down it stopped the electrical power that ran the water pumps that they needed to cool the rector down. :doh:
They shut down according to SOP as soon as the earthquake happened. The tidal wave took out the redundant systems providing secondary power sources and cooling water.
Your approach toward a potential seismic event in the midwest is the prevailing one, and exactly why it concerns me.
US reactors located in Illinois are predominantly cooled with ponds or lakes that are manmade specifically for this purpose; I know this because I fished most of them in the Northern and central areas of that state for years. In fact, most of them are "perched" meaning they are surrounded by earthen mounds designed to keep the water in place, and elevated above the elevation of the surrounding topography to allow the prevailing winds to blow across them. The main point here is the fact that they are "man made" and as such subject to failure in a seismic event. (This
could be somewhat more of a factor with the Braidwood facility because it was built in part upon an old strip mine).
Now, even if the electricity is working you still need water, and a LOT of it, to cool the reactor(s) down in the event of an emergency shutdown. And if that water escapes containment due to a breach in the earthworks, or a crack in the crust that sucks it all down, and you are MILES from another water source from which sufficient water can be obtained. . . sorry. You are SOL. (And relying on public utility water sources is not a solution due to the fact they are more likely to be disrupted due to main line burst etc., as I am sure you already know).
Illinois Braidwood facility has two reactors, and both rely on the same lake. . . 2,537 acres in size. (Imagine all of that water escaping due to structural failure of the containment) And, while I can tell you I loved the fishing there, (some of the best striper fishing in the state, and due to the year round growth rate of the fish driven by the warm year round water temps, some monsters are taken out of that lake each year.), I do NOT want to be downwind of that thing should a release event take place.
http://www.exeloncorp.com/powerplants/braidwood/Pages/profile.aspx (http://www.exeloncorp.com/powerplants/braidwood/Pages/profile.aspx)
http://www.exeloncorp.com/assets/energy/powerplants/docs/Braidwood/fact_braidwoodplant.pdf (http://www.exeloncorp.com/assets/energy/powerplants/docs/Braidwood/fact_braidwoodplant.pdf)
And Illinois has plenty more of them just like this one. . .
My son works in nuclear power, in SC at Seneca and now in FL at Crystal River, it may be shut down now. I haven't talked to him since the incident in Japan. He never seems to be very concerned about the safety of them. They are supposed to build another one in Crystal River.
I don't disagree that they are safe under normal everyday operating conditions. I am sure the Japanese facilities were just as safe under normal conditions. Moreover, I am also fairly certain that due to the fact that they were built in an area that experiences a high level of seismic activity within a given year, they took measures in design and construction to compensate for this. And yet. . .
Food for thought though, since these facilities are normally located in the very same rural locations the state of Indiana is now constructing wind farms upon, why would replacing them with wind farms not be a viable alternative??? (Not to mention environmental impact)
I don't know if this is hyped by the media or not, but CNN is reporting that a high level Japanese official has stated that "we are assuming a meltdown has occurred".
Japan now has two separate facilities in critical jeopardy, and one of them has already supposedly experienced meltdown.
Surrounding the loss of redundant electrical resource failure - Japanese officials stated that diesel powered generators used for this were critically damaged during the earthquake, rendering them inoperable. Earlier today they also stated they were still awaiting emergency replacements for these generators.
"We are assuming that a meltdown has occurred" at a quake-damaged nuclear reactor, Japan's chief Cabinet secretary says. ~ source: CNN
Shirakawa, Japan (CNN) -- Japanese authorities are operating on the presumption that possible meltdowns are under way at two nuclear reactors, a government official said Sunday, adding that there have been no indications yet of hazardous emissions of radioactive material into the atmosphere...
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.quake/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1 (http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.quake/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1)
Quote from: Palehorse on March 12, 2011, 10:40:42 PM
I don't know if this is hyped by the media or not, but CNN is reporting that a high level Japanese official has stated that "we are assuming a meltdown has occurred".
Japan now has two separate facilities in critical jeopardy, and one of them has already supposedly experienced meltdown.
Surrounding the loss of redundant electrical resource failure - Japanese officials stated that diesel powered generators used for this were critically damaged during the earthquake, rendering them inoperable. Earlier today they also stated they were still awaiting emergency replacements for these generators.
"We are assuming that a meltdown has occurred" at a quake-damaged nuclear reactor, Japan's chief Cabinet secretary says. ~ source: CNN
There are hundred of rods in the main chamber. Some probably are stuck together, meltdown. As long as not too many and they remain in the containment chamber, the apparatus that holds the rods, the less chance of a real problem. just like 3 Mile Island.
Quote from: Doc on March 11, 2011, 11:35:15 AM
This is but a sip of the true flood of despair and destruction God can reign upon you
That would make your god really suck, now wouldn't it?
Quote from: dan foster on March 13, 2011, 09:30:51 PM
That would make your god really suck, now wouldn't it?
Doesn't Doc just kill you? He's so up beat. :bliss: :bliss: :grin2: :kiss:
I talked to my son last night and he said the feeling was they would be able to contain it before the worst case happens. I asked him if they heard more than we did through the media and he said probably. Take it for what it is worth. I don't usually ask him a lot of questions about his work, never know when I am over stepping.
Quote from: Anne on March 14, 2011, 04:19:30 PM
I talked to my son last night and he said the feeling was they would be able to contain it before the worst case happens. I asked him if they heard more than we did through the media and he said probably. Take it for what it is worth. I don't usually ask him a lot of questions about his work, never know when I am over stepping.
Isn't it amazing how just when we need Atomic Energy we get an earthquake and a tidal wave on an atomic plant on a coast on the island of Japan. Amazing. :yes: I wonder if the Oil Companies cause this. Just kidding. :biggrin:
I'm just sayin, and when it happens maybe you'll remember the questions I asked before it happened here. . .
Japan was just rocked with another major quake.........a 7.4 with a tsunami on its way.... :no:
Yup! Now, I wonder what that does to the progress they have made on the whole nuke thing!?!
Quote from: Palehorse on April 07, 2011, 12:14:18 PM
Yup! Now, I wonder what that does to the progress they have made on the whole nuke thing!?!
all I know is, my heart goes out to them.....
Well, that nuke emergency in Japan very well could happen here. As I posted earlier somewhere on this forum, the US facilities are no better prepared for EQ's or other disasters. Just read this from CNN today:
. . .Parts of the grounds are already under water as the swollen Missouri River overflows its banks, including areas around some auxiliary buildings, Jones said.
In addition to the berm, authorities have put in place flood gates and other barriers to help protect the facility.
The plant is designed to withstand waters up to 1,014 feet above mean sea level, according to the OPPD. The river currently stands at 1,006.3 feet and is not expected to exceed 1,008 feet, the Power District said.. . .
Unless more torrential rains sweep across the lands! :eek: Then what???
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/26/nebraska.flooding/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 (http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/26/nebraska.flooding/index.html?hpt=hp_t2)