This is somewhat interesting. I think it'll open up some discussion w/my daughter and I. I was prepared to be resistant because I thought perhaps the message was going to be related to religion, but it isn't. In fact, he said that in over 30 countries and over the course of many years the common core values of honesty, responsibility, respect, fairness, and compassion have been repeatedly identified and are the same for both religious and non religious people.
the bottom line is, for me, that kids emulate there parents. If you are not living an ethical life, chances are your kids will not either.
Now, for arguements sake, it is MY opinion, that since the liberal movement began, it was the beginning of the moral decay in this country....when the government stepped in our educational system, it only magnified...the whole "Moral Relativism" teaching our children that American values, traditions, customs, and our system of government are no better than any other social government....that religon is bad.
Not saying that non-relgious people cannot be moral....but the further we get from the "truth" the further we travel down the road we are on.....jails or overcrowded, single parents is normal, personal responsiblity is NOT the norm, many kids do not know or understand the word, respect.
:no:
The good note is, home-schooling is growing.....and I think we are getting a new generation of thinkers, who are seeing through this liberalism, and there may be hope yet... :wink:
but then again, that is just MY opinion. :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 22, 2010, 01:21:59 PM
the bottom line is, for me, that kids emulate there parents. If you are not living an ethical life, chances are your kids will not either.
Now, for arguements sake, it is MY opinion, that since the liberal movement began, it was the beginning of the moral decay in this country....when the government stepped in our educational system, it only magnified...the whole "Moral Relativism" teaching our children that American values, traditions, customs, and our system of government are no better than any other social government....that religon is bad.
Not saying that non-relgious people cannot be moral....but the further we get from the "truth" the further we travel down the road we are on.....jails or overcrowded, single parents is normal, personal responsiblity is NOT the norm, many kids do not know or understand the word, respect.
:no:
The good note is, home-schooling is growing.....and I think we are getting a new generation of thinkers, who are seeing through this liberalism, and there may be hope yet... :wink:
but then again, that is just MY opinion. :yes:
Henry I am going to agree with some of the thing your saying. But, But, I am sick of you saying everything bad in America is a Liberal thing. Not so. As an atheist who was brought believing all of the smoke and mirrors and fairy tales in the bible. I can say a atheist, liberal I am ethical, fair minded, moral. More so than you in many ways. I still believe that people who isn't as smart, had the breaks, and from a lower class than myself deserves some help and break too. I sure don't believe the rich gets all of the breaks and you have to kiss their ass. :kiss:
I raised my boy to follow the golden rule, not to bully other people and of all things to be fair and treat people fairly and to treat people like he would want to be treated. And I think his mother and with my help raise a good man. I sure didn't beat him over the head with religion and the Bible.
We have a group of people to think that since their ancestors were slaves they have a right to take advantage of the system and other people. This has cripple them in many ways.
Home school, I against it. It raises a group of weird kids. Home school, send them to a religious college and then send them out into the cold cruel world where all of the wolves and sharks to eat them up. Kid have to be with the other kids to be "normal". But then, what is normal anymore.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 22, 2010, 01:21:59 PM
the bottom line is, for me, that kids emulate there parents. If you are not living an ethical life, chances are your kids will not either.
I agree.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 22, 2010, 01:21:59 PM
Now, for arguements sake, it is MY opinion, that since the liberal movement began, it was the beginning of the moral decay in this country....when the government stepped in our educational system, it only magnified...the whole "Moral Relativism" teaching our children that American values, traditions, customs, and our system of government are no better than any other social government....that religon is bad.
Not saying that non-relgious people cannot be moral....but the further we get from the "truth" the further we travel down the road we are on.....jails or overcrowded, single parents is normal, personal responsiblity is NOT the norm, many kids do not know or understand the word, respect.
:no:
The good note is, home-schooling is growing.....and I think we are getting a new generation of thinkers, who are seeing through this liberalism, and there may be hope yet... :wink:
but then again, that is just MY opinion. :yes:
I seriously don't understand how any unethical trend can be blamed on being liberal or non-religious (understanding that not all non-religious are liberals and vice versa) when there's so much corruption to be found in the religious community at large. It's been that way for thousands of years. :-\
I think I need to re-word that a little. I am wrong to insinuate all liberals are bad. That is not what mean, or intend.
I do think the whole "entitlement" mentality and government intervention era was what I think was the beginning of downturn.
When people got to the place where they demanded entitlements, from welfare payments to housing to food....along with the agenda of "socialism is good, capitalism is bad" mentality...and mostly...when the NEA got power over our school systems...THAT, IMO, was the biggest downturn in our "Raising of Ethical Children".
now again, this is the way I see it.....at one time, when I was a kid, we began school with a prayer and the "Pledge of Allegiance". We took pride in raising our flag in the morning and lowering it in the afternoon. We had Christmas Programs, Easter Programs. Kid's got the "board" on their behinds when they misbehaived. We had respect for our elders.
The NEA, pushed to get the God-based religions from the public schools and have them replaced with man-based religion of Atheistic Secular Humanism....Evolution was/is taught as FACT.
Is it now just a coincidence that 40 percent of fourth graders cannot read a simple children's book....and among blacks and Hispanics, that proportion is as high as 65 percent.
As a nation we have watched a 50 percent drop in the number of students who score over 700 on the SAT verbal test in the last 45 years...about the very timeframe that I beleive when this "liberal" movement began....we now just "Pass" kids instead of holding them back until they got it right...
Guys, this is just MY observation...but it seems pretty compelling to me.
If you want to pledge you allegiance to the country of the United States of America, I think that's great. We have so many, many people who think is all right to buy everything foreign made, cars, clothes everything and it won't come back to bit us in the ass with unemployment. We need to teach the kids that we have to make America and to keep America the greatest country and not let it become a third world country.
Prayer in schools, NO! The religious Christians are like the camel trying to get nose under the tent. Once it get in, it destroys the tent. The religious leaders want to get the kids young so they can cloud the minds with smoke and mirrors of religion.
So they can be fairy tale, myth believing adults to continue giving money to the religious leaders. It's all about money. Plain and simple. It's been that way for centuries, thousands of years.
I'm sorry, but I don't see the correlation between losing religion in schools and poor performance. It seems like a different problem with a different solution all together.
Quote from: The Troll on November 23, 2010, 12:00:03 PM
If you want to pledge you allegiance to the country of the United States of America, I think that's great. We have so many, many people who think is all right to buy everything foreign made, cars, clothes everything and it won't come back to bit us in the ass with unemployment. We need to teach the kids that we have to make America and to keep America the greatest country and not let it become a third world country.
Prayer in schools, NO! The religious Christians are like the camel trying to get nose under the tent. Once it get in, it destroys the tent. The religious leaders want to get the kids young so they can cloud the minds with smoke and mirrors of religion.
So they can be fairy tale, myth believing adults to continue giving money to the religious leaders. It's all about money. Plain and simple. It's been that way for centuries, thousands of years.
Guys, I am just making an observation......I didn't say the prayers SHOULD be manditory in schools...NOR, am I saying that Christians are better than NON-Christians. (I'm quite certain, that I know of plenty of bad and good apples from both sides)
I'm just sayin, we have had a cultural change, and my observation tells me, that it has not been ALL for the good.
some of it was, but more so this entitlement mentality has been a very, very bad vice, that has denograted (sp) our ethical system.
imo!.. ;)
I think one of the problems with the kids of to day is TO MUCH FREEDOM, TO MUCH STUFF. money, cell phones, brand name clothes, Black Berries and to much unsupervised time. With the lawyers, child protections agencies and the intelligence of the kids, they know you can't touch them. Most of them are spoiled brats, even if they are poor. Mom spoiled them to much and dad isn't around. This with over a 55% divorce rate. What do you get, single parents and latchkey kids.
The old saying spare the rod and spoil the child is so true in many ways, how I not saying beat them. A lot of parents will not punish the misbehaving children of any reason and also want to be a friend to them instead of being a stern parent. In other words not taking any crap from their kid.
I just can't imagine being a teacher, especially a male teacher try to teach these spoiled rotten, hard headed and bull headed kids. A man can't even touch a young girl,s shoulder and pat her and say, "Good job."
I don't know what to do, it's below my pay scale. The only thing people can do, is try to do the best for their children. My wife and I tried and I think we did pretty good as a team. Tho my son tried his best to do it, I didn't take any crap from him. He did what I said, even tho it took a little to to do it. :biggrin: :yes: