This is all over the news, of course...
http://www.courierpress.com/news/2010/sep/07/top-us-commander-churchs-plan-burn-quran-endangers/
and it has me thinking along a couple-three lines.
The state department and the military have asked them not to do it, and the weirdo preacher pretty much said "fuck you." Huh? I thought keeping the men and women serving overseas as safe as possible was a primary consideration of the conservatives. This dweeb thinks his "statement" is so important he doesn't give a rat's ass what kind of repercussions it will have for our people in harm's way, or how valuable a recruiting tool it will be for the jihadists. What god is he following anyway?
Next, to burn a Quran, you must actually have one in your hand. Who does? Well, Islamists of course, but I doubt they would be willing to hold a match to one. So where are these books coming from? Is it within the realm of possibility that this event is being co-sponsored by a publishing house?
And then there is this paragraph:
Jones, who runs the small, evangelical Christian church with an anti-Islam philosophy, says he has received more than 100 death threats and has started wearing a .40-caliber pistol strapped to his hip.
This spokesman for the Christian God defines his doctrine as anti (he's preaching hate in the name of the Prince of Peace), and he is packin' heat. I hope to hell he shoots his foot off!
That is about the dumbest thing anyone could ever do. This man has no clue what he's bringing on the congregation, himself, probably the town, and our troops if he is crazy enough to go through with this idiocy.
Stupid religious people arguing against other stupid religious people. On and on we go, year after year, century after century with the "My Sky Daddy is better than your sky daddy!" crap.
Quote from: Locutus on September 07, 2010, 07:18:06 PM
Stupid religious people arguing against other stupid religious people. On and on we go, year after year, century after century with the "My Sky Daddy is better than your sky daddy!" crap.
And therein lies the root of every single conflict on the face of this earth! :yes:
What I want the pastor to do is draw a really big cartoon of Prophet Muhammad doing another man Greek style and show it, in front of his church. I wonder how many TV channels would have the balls to show it on TV.
If you're going to piss them off, do it right. :rotfl: :rotfl: Let us :pray: :pope:
Maybe they have the same attitude as the church does that pickets soldier's funerals. So they really don't care if a few more soldiers are killed bacause of their actions.
I just heard on the radio, that satalite trucks as far as the eye can see are down in florida to cover this nutjob....the media, in my opinion are WANTING this bozo to gain some popularity, to make this a bigger story than it is or deserves....
this would make you libs happy as hell for some riots to come out of this, all in the name of ALLAH! or better yet JESUS...(for you athiest who don't even remotly understand a Christian)
the media is going to keep pumping oxygen on this story, until there is a REAL story to follow.....just watch and see... :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 08, 2010, 11:18:24 AM
this would make you libs happy as hell for some riots to come out of this, all in the name of ALLAH! or better yet JESUS...(for you athiest who don't even remotly understand a Christian)
Now THAT is a cheap shot!
Quote from: Olias on September 08, 2010, 11:37:51 AM
Now THAT is a cheap shot!
Probably so.....(but I am WAY behind on the cheap shot ratio....zone vs. HH)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 08, 2010, 11:18:24 AM
...this would make you libs happy as hell for some riots to come out of this...
Are you sober?
Funny. . . didn't Hitler burn books too? :spooked:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 08, 2010, 11:18:24 AM
I just heard on the radio, that satalite trucks as far as the eye can see are down in florida to cover this nutjob....the media, in my opinion are WANTING this bozo to gain some popularity, to make this a bigger story than it is or deserves....
this would make you libs happy as hell for some riots to come out of this, all in the name of ALLAH! or better yet JESUS...(for you athiest who don't even remotly understand a Christian)
the media is going to keep pumping oxygen on this story, until there is a REAL story to follow.....just watch and see... :yes:
If the crazy bastards want to riot and come after us. Let them. Have the machine guns ready. Mortars ready and have some F 18 orbiting overhead with some cluster bombs and send all of the bastards to their 72 virgins. They surly are running out of them.
Is it still news if nobody watches the coverage?
Got a question, remember how the ragheads rioted when that newspaper printed cartoon of their Muhammad. They burn flag, cars tore up the city.
Well, what would happen if our CIA sent our drones over all of their cities and dropped really deviated cartoons of Muhammad every weekend for weeks. Either they would burn up or tear up everything they got or they would quite.
They were talking to a Navy Seal and ask him what he thought of the Afghanistan people. He said "All of the men are terrorist, the boys are going to be terrorist and the women and girls are going to give birth to more terrorist.
Quote from: LOsborne on September 08, 2010, 08:21:26 PM
Are you sober?
sadly but yes!!..it was another 'shot', but yet there is a small amount of truth to my statement.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 09, 2010, 09:24:05 AM
sadly but yes!!..it was another 'shot', but yet there is a small amount of truth to my statement.
Is that like being partially pregnant?
Quote from: Olias on September 09, 2010, 09:43:25 AM
Is that like being partially pregnant?
that is a great analogy...
Despite calls to halt plans for a Quran burning from Gen. Petraeus, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, radical preacher Terry Jones says he is moving forward with what he claims are instructions from God.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39079573/ns/world_news/
Now it should be clear why atheists and agnostics are so outspoken against religion. This fuckin' nutjob thinks he's doing what "god told him to do" just like the nutty Muslims think they're doing what god wants them to do in defending their dumb-ass holy book.
I say we burn every fucking bible and every fucking Quran, expunge religion from human thought, and call it even. :mad: Belief in a deity is the absolute vilest of memes in the history of the human race.
Quote from: Locutus on September 09, 2010, 12:37:11 PM
Despite calls to halt plans for a Quran burning from Gen. Petraeus, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, radical preacher Terry Jones says he is moving forward with what he claims are instructions from God.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39079573/ns/world_news/
Now it should be clear why atheists and agnostics are so outspoken against religion. This fuckin' nutjob thinks he's doing what "god told him to do" just like the nutty Muslims think they're doing what god wants them to do in defending their dumb-ass holy book.
I say we burn every fucking bible and every fucking Quran, expunge religion from human thought, and call it even. :mad: Belief in a deity is the absolute vilest of memes in the history of the human race.
said the mad man!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 09, 2010, 12:52:07 PM
said the mad man!
You're damn right! I'm sick of stupid people who believe in wacky ass shit doing stupid things in the name of their Sky Daddy. :mad: That fucking preacher is so stupid that he doesn't understand that the shit he believes in is just as nutty, wacky, and loony as the shit the Muslims believe in.
C'mon PH.
Quit beatin' around the bush and tell us how you really feel.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 09, 2010, 09:24:31 AM
nope
Then, given the fact that a certain "supreme being" has been reputed to have provided free will to its loyal subjects, they have the ability to make this a non-event simply by choosing to refuse to watch it. No?
Quote from: followsthewolf on September 09, 2010, 01:15:52 PM
C'mon PH.
Quit beatin' around the bush and tell us how you really feel.
I think you menat Locutus, but for the record my perspectives mirror those he has related.
Quote from: Locutus on September 09, 2010, 12:37:11 PM
Despite calls to halt plans for a Quran burning from Gen. Petraeus, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, radical preacher Terry Jones says he is moving forward with what he claims are instructions from God.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39079573/ns/world_news/
Now it should be clear why atheists and agnostics are so outspoken against religion. This fuckin' nutjob thinks he's doing what "god told him to do" just like the nutty Muslims think they're doing what god wants them to do in defending their dumb-ass holy book.
I say we burn every fucking bible and every fucking Quran, expunge religion from human thought, and call it even. :mad: Belief in a deity is the absolute vilest of memes in the history of the human race.
As an Atheist I don't give a damn what the religious nut cases do. Except when then are trying to change the laws to screw with the rest of us.
Let the dumbass burn Korans . As long as he's fucking with the Muslims he not screwing with the rest of us.
troll
Okay. . . I think this jackass is indeed trolling for attention and he has achieved that goal. So now what?
Everybody that is anybody is coming out with statements that strongly indicate their disagreement with this idiot's actions, but the problem is our constitution directly supports his right to carry through with his stated plan. Millions of us have fought and given our lives in support of this very ideal, and I see no reason to change it now.
Let him burn them, let him have his moment in the limelight, and if his actions/words result in the additional deaths of innocent human beings around the world, let him wear their blood and carry direct responsibility for them.
If he ends up with a C4 enema delivered by an extremist sector of another religion, you cannot say he was not deserving of it; for his words and actions are inflammatory and inciting toward those who hold an extremist perspective. On all sides of this.
I do agree that the media is feeding this, but what's done is done, and it cannot now be changed. One has to hope that those in control of the media will learn the lesson surrounding the power they hold to control what the people of the world pay attention to. Then again, perhaps that is the very idea behind why this jackass is so much of a headline today? They are proving the point that when you own the information you can bend it all you want.
Quote from: Palehorse on September 09, 2010, 01:29:50 PM
Then, given the fact that a certain "supreme being" has been reputed to have provided free will to its loyal subjects, they have the ability to make this a non-event simply by choosing to refuse to watch it. No?
I think you menat Locutus, but for the record my perspectives mirror those he has related.
Now, THIS is a major OOOOOPS!!!!
My sincerest apologies, PH.
Quote from: followsthewolf on September 09, 2010, 03:23:26 PM
Now, THIS is a major OOOOOPS!!!!
My sincerest apologies, PH.
:biggrin:
I knew what you meant. . .and to whom it was directed. :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on September 09, 2010, 01:04:12 PM
You're damn right! I'm sick of stupid people who believe in wacky ass shit doing stupid things in the name of their Sky Daddy. :mad: That fucking preacher is so stupid that he doesn't understand that the shit he believes in is just as nutty, wacky, and loony as the shit the Muslims believe in.
AND I AM SICK OF PEOPLE BEING DISRESPECTFUL OF MY GOD!!!.....I can't help the fact there are nuts in this world, and this guy IS a moron.......but, there some on the other end of the spectrum who are pushing to hard, and getting a just as mouthy, that will eventually force some of us, who have never harmed anyone with our beliefs to start swinging back. I have nor will I shove my beliefs down anyones throat, but I will stand on principals that I have learned through my faith.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 09, 2010, 03:40:42 PM
AND I AM SICK OF PEOPLE BEING DISRESPECTFUL OF MY GOD!!!.....I can't help the fact there are nuts in this world, and this guy IS a moron.......but, there some on the other end of the spectrum who are pushing to hard, and getting a just as mouthy, that will eventually force some of us, who have never harmed anyone with our beliefs to start swinging back. I have nor will I shove my beliefs down anyones throat, but I will stand on principals that I have learned through my faith.
The problem here is the same as with other things...one bad apple spoils the whole bunch...or...one nutjob gives the rest a bad name. People just choose to make more of an issue of things if it's something they don't agree with anyway and I think we're all guilty of that too.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 09, 2010, 03:40:42 PM
AND I AM SICK OF PEOPLE BEING DISRESPECTFUL OF MY GOD!!!.....I can't help the fact there are nuts in this world, and this guy IS a moron.......but, there some on the other end of the spectrum who are pushing to hard, and getting a just as mouthy, that will eventually force some of us, who have never harmed anyone with our beliefs to start swinging back. I have nor will I shove my beliefs down anyones throat, but I will stand on principals that I have learned through my faith.
Who exactly is it that's being disrespectful to your god? Is pointing out the that you believing in your god is just as nutty as the Muslims believing in their god disrespecting your god?
I'm sorry HH, but if we ever are to progress as humans, for the common good of everyone, religion has to go. It's outdated and antiquated software of the brain that may very well kill us all if some of us (you and those like you) don't start thinking critically and stop believing in stupid nonexistent BS from times gone by. There is no difference in the nutty shit the Muslims believe in and the nutty shit that the Christians believe in. No difference.
"Faith means making a virtue out of not thinking. It's nothing to brag about. And those who preach faith, and enable and elevate it are intellectual slaveholders, keeping mankind in a bondage to fantasy and nonsense that has spawned and justified so much lunacy and destruction." --- Bill Maher
Quote from: Palehorse on September 09, 2010, 03:27:10 PM
:biggrin:
I knew what you meant. . .and to whom it was directed. :biggrin:
Yeah, I kinda' figured that was aimed in my direction too. ;D
Well, it would appear that he got what he was after; fame. . . He has called off the burning. . .
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 09, 2010, 03:40:42 PM
AND I AM SICK OF PEOPLE BEING DISRESPECTFUL OF MY GOD!!!.....
Oh boy, me too! Coyote thinks it's funny, but Kali is in a vengeful mood. Y'all need to stay away from the curry and goat's head soup for awhile.
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr111/hlovett_2008/Fate-god-hates-you-turtle.jpg)
Oh wait. . .now he is rethinking his plan to call it off! :rolleyes:
Won't Gawd be pissed? ;D
Maybe he'll have to ride the lightening! :biggrin:
Oooh or maybe the debil disguised himself as Gawd. He has a habit of doing that. :biggrin:
Well, last I had heard the debbil went down to Georgia, so it wouldn't take much for him to hoof it on down to Florida now would it?
Maybe sweet baby Jeebus can intervene and give ol Florida an exorcism!
Stupid fuckin' people believing in their stupid fuckin' shit. :mad: :mad: :mad: And yes HH, that includes you.
So few see it all for that danger that it truly is. I fear for our future.
"If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people." -- Dr. Gregory House, M.D.
Quote from: Palehorse on September 09, 2010, 11:28:02 PM
Well, last I had heard the debbil went down to Georgia, so it wouldn't take much for him to hoof it on down to Florida now would it?
Maybe sweet baby Jeebus can intervene and give ol Florida an exorcism!
Tell him to bring an enema.
Quote from: Locutus on September 10, 2010, 12:17:26 AM
Stupid fuckin' people believing in their stupid fuckin' shit. :mad: :mad: :mad: And yes HH, that includes you.
So few see it all for that danger that it truly is. I fear for our future.
"If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people." -- Dr. Gregory House, M.D.
Well pal, because our forefathers who WAS Godly men, gave us our Constitution that give us Americans that very RIGHT to believe in that
stupid fuckin' shit so I respectfully say, fuck'n get over it, or move to another Country and start your OWN NO RELIGION CULT... ;) ....yeah I said Cult, that is what people like you are, look it up... :razz: ;) .....it seems like YOU are the one who wants to pose a "danger".
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 10, 2010, 09:04:40 AM
Well pal, because our forefathers who WAS Godly men, gave us our Constitution that give us Americans that very RIGHT to believe in that stupid fuckin' shit so I respectfully say, fuck'n get over it, or move to another Country and start your OWN NO RELIGION CULT... ;) ....yeah I said Cult, that is what people like you are, look it up... :razz: ;) .....it seems like YOU are the one who wants to pose a "danger".
I think that if I live down there close and all of those cameras were there. I get me a Koran go over to the reporters and tell them to get ready. Then I would take out my self lighting propane torch and set the damn thing on fire. Then tell them "Well, boys and girls it's over and the world didn't come to it's end and then just walk away. :rotfl: :rotfl: :pray: my ass.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 10, 2010, 09:04:40 AM
Well pal, because our forefathers who WAS Godly men, gave us our Constitution that give us Americans that very RIGHT to believe in that stupid fuckin' shit so I respectfully say, fuck'n get over it, or move to another Country and start your OWN NO RELIGION CULT... ;) ....yeah I said Cult, that is what people like you are, look it up... :razz: ;) .....it seems like YOU are the one who wants to pose a "danger".
Well pal, fortunately for him (and everyone else) our forefathers gave him the right to stay right here and call religion stupid and believe what he wants. Since all religions are cults, then obviously you don't need to leave the country to form one of those either. Cult = followers of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices. That's what people like
YOU are.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on September 10, 2010, 10:16:45 AM
Well pal, fortunately for him (and everyone else) our forefathers gave him the right to stay right here and call religion stupid and believe what he wants. Since all religions are cults, then obviously you don't need to leave the country to form one of those either. Cult = followers of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices. That's what people like YOU are.
:blah: :kazz:
:ditto:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 10, 2010, 09:04:40 AM
Well pal, because our forefathers who WAS Godly men, gave us our Constitution that give us Americans that very RIGHT to believe in that stupid fuckin' shit so I respectfully say, fuck'n get over it, or move to another Country and start your OWN NO RELIGION CULT... ;) ....yeah I said Cult, that is what people like you are, look it up... :razz: ;) .....it seems like YOU are the one who wants to pose a "danger".
1. I never said you don't have a right to believe in any stupidity you choose to believe in. This forum is replete with evidence of some of the absolute and complete shit that you believe in most of the time without a single shred of evidence to back it up. The problem with people like you, and the Muslims, and anyone else who thinks they hear from a nonexistent Sky Daddy, is that you're all so collectively stupid that you can't see the danger that such beliefs pose to the human race.
2. Here is the definition of cult:
–noun
1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology . a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7. the members of such a religion or sect.
8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.
Now I would love to hear your explanation of why atheists and/or agnostics fit into that definition. Show me that you're not the dummy I think you are.
3. While you're at it, step on up and support this statement with a few more facts:
....it seems like YOU are the one who wants to pose a "danger".C'mon HH, do something other than acting like a monkey throwing shit on a wall to see what sticks.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on September 10, 2010, 10:16:45 AM
Well pal, fortunately for him (and everyone else) our forefathers gave him the right to stay right here and call religion stupid and believe what he wants. Since all religions are cults, then obviously you don't need to leave the country to form one of those either. Cult = followers of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices. That's what people like YOU are.
Where I find fault here is with you wanting to lump all religions and christians into one pot. They are not all bad just a few select nutjobs out there and that is where I differ from you in that I don't particularly go for organized religion nor do I consider myself a christian but I won't put people who are true christians like a very good friend of ours or HH. It is just not right to lump them in with the nutjobs and put them down for what they believe. All this hate and malice toward christians in general is crazy. Can't it just be aimed at the particular group or person without including others who have never done nor do they intend to do any harm to anyone?
Quote from: me on September 10, 2010, 12:40:04 PM
Where I find fault here is with you wanting to lump all religions and christians into one pot. They are not all bad just a few select nutjobs out there and that is where I differ from you in that I don't particularly go for organized religion nor do I consider myself a christian but I won't put people who are true christians like a very good friend of ours or HH. It is just not right to lump them in with the nutjobs and put them down for what they believe. All this hate and malice toward christians in general is crazy. Can't it just be aimed at the particular group or person without including others who have never done nor do they intend to do any harm to anyone?
Hello!!! Ironic to see you two claiming the very constitutional rights you would both deny to the Islamic center in New York!
Hate and malice indeed!
How about the religions of this nation start pulling their weight and upholding their civic duty by paying real estate taxes? I bet that would force them to get realistic about their mansions of deceit and hypocrisy!
Quote from: Palehorse on September 10, 2010, 12:49:19 PM
Hello!!! Ironic to see you two claiming the very constitutional rights you would both deny to the Islamic center in New York!
Hate and malice indeed!
How about the religions of this nation start pulling their weight and upholding their civic duty by paying real estate taxes? I bet that would force them to get realistic about their mansions of deceit and hypocrisy!
The Islamic center is not being denied the place they chose to put it is the objection. There are almost 200 already there and no has a problem with them. Everyone is fully aware they are within their rights they just question the wisdom of it and the reason for it.
Quote from: me on September 10, 2010, 12:55:36 PM
The Islamic center is not being denied the place they chose to put it is the objection. There are almost 200 already there and no has a problem with them. Everyone is fully aware they are within their rights they just question the wisdom of it and the reason for it.
Yeah, right. That is NOT what guys like this Florida Zealot and those supporting him say. It's not what has been said within this very forum, and I still have not received an acceptable response to:
1. Why it is acceptable for Christian religious symbols to be posted throughout Oklahoma City, when a Christian did the deed.
2. How far away is far enough? This proposed Islamic center will be replacing one that presently exists 2 blocks from the proposed location, and 4 blocks from ground zero. So is 4 blocks the new standard?
Moreover, why is it that you so vigorously invoke constitutional protections when the issue concerns Christianity, but are equally vigorous in opposing those same rights to practitioners of Islam? A chapel in a hospital doesn't make it a church anymore than a prayer room makes a community center a mosque, yet to some on here it would seem to be the case.
This is nothing more than histrionics that play directly into the master plan of the 9/11 terrorists; divide and conquer, the oldest play in the book and we are falling for it 9 years later and we are still reeling.!
The POTUS said it himself this morning;"Building this Islamic center is no different than building a synagog or church on the same site, and you cannot object to one without objecting to all of them". (paraphrased).
L,
It won't mean a hill of beans to you what proof or links or statements I would post to support my "beliefs".....MY BELIEF's....and I am willing to DIE for MY BELIEFS. Just as YOU have YOUR beliefs....that is ALL they are L, BELIEFS. You cannot prove that God does NOT exist anymore than I can prove he does. Buy you calling me a "stupid fucking" person who believes in "stupid fucking shit" is NOT enough for me to throw up a white flag and kiss some athiest ass.
according to Wikipedia, The word cult refers to a group whose beliefs or practices are considered strange........by most polls, less than 2% of Amerians identify themselvse as Athiests...so, to MOST Amerians that could very well fall under tha "strange" category....so, I can continue to build an arguement that YOU are a cult member.....but, I know better, and have enough respect for you, LOCUTUS, not to ever call you a "stupid fucker" who believes in "stupid fucking shit"....and you know lo, I could even build an arguement that YOU pose a danger to Americans...but, I know you don't.
What gets me on this forum, is how "unclassy" this forum has become....at one time, I truly felt as if we was what I call "cyber" friends. I was wrong!...and that is due to my own gullibleness....and maybe it is just I am getting thinner skin as I get older. But some of the shots I have recieved over the last few months has almost become comical....and I will admit I probably deserve some of them.....but one thing I have noticed is how liberals are basicly, mean-spirited to ANYONE who does not see things the way they do. I am getting way off on a tangent, and off topic, but I am being myself and laying it all out there...this IS a forum, RIGHT?
I am NEVER, EVER going to change anyone's opinion on here and I am certain, that no one is going to do likewise to me......so, it is becoming almost pointless to continue. I have tried to walk away from here several times, but I always come back....so, I either get removed from here by force, or I just keep on as is, speak my piece and take my licks.
I will say ONE more thing before I move on....I am, and always will be a very, very proud Christian, who believes in God and His Son, with all my might....I know that this land became a great nation because of God, and the men who put Him first. They designed the law of the land for this Country with His guidence and principals. When it gets to the point where a few people of this land start bitchin at me, because I "choose" to put God first and those people are calling me a danger to the existence of mankind because I choose to do so....well, there ARE going to be some real problems...some problems that I could NOT and WILL not back down from....EVER!
I honestly feel I have been nothing but kind, honest and decent to MOST everyone on here since day one....and yet,......
Quote from: Palehorse on September 10, 2010, 12:49:19 PM
Hello!!! Ironic to see you two claiming the very constitutional rights you would both deny to the Islamic center in New York!
Hate and malice indeed!
How about the religions of this nation start pulling their weight and upholding their civic duty by paying real estate taxes? I bet that would force them to get realistic about their mansions of deceit and hypocrisy!
Listen PH, I have not once said that the muslim never had their RIGHT's to build or not build any mosque...just like the preacher who want's to burn the qu'ran....but, the is right and wrong....that is all I have stated....talk about hate and malice?....wow, all I have gathered from you is how much hate and malice you have towards Conservatives and Christian...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 10, 2010, 01:14:47 PM
Listen PH, I have not once said that the muslim never had their RIGHT's to build or not build any mosque...just like the preacher who want's to burn the qu'ran....but, the is right and wrong....that is all I have stated....talk about hate and malice?....wow, all I have gathered from you is how much hate and malice you have towards Conservatives and Christian...
Have you noticed how quiet the Republican leaders are about the Koran burning. You know want to know why? They started the hate and fear mongering Bullshit. Newt, Beck, Hannity and many more. They want it to go on. They want trouble, distrust, smoke screen until November. They want this country in termoil and pain so they can win.
Just like I said before the Republican Party is EVIL.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 10, 2010, 01:14:47 PM
Listen PH,....talk about hate and malice?....wow, all I have gathered from you is how much hate and malice you have towards Conservatives and Christian...
If that is all you have taken away from this dialog and the ongoing dialog within this forum, then I submit that I will waste no further time in attempting to enlighten you, for it is a futile effort.
You will not recognize reason and common sense when they are 180 degrees from that which you hold as truth.
You will not consider empirical evidence nor recognize the proof it represents.
You steadfastly respond with insidious invectives toward those who endeavor to point out the multitude of errors within your statements, perspectives, and beliefs, then become offended when the opposition utilizes the very same methodology toward you in a last ditch effort to obtain your attention.
I disagree 100% with the majority of conservative values and initiatives presently being put forth. Rolling up the tents and closing up shop where government is concerned, is NOT a constructive answer toward addressing the pressing and increasing needs of the growing number of American citizens who are in dire straights in this country.
I disagree 100% with the republican initiative to undertake obstructionist politics especially in this time of urgent need.
These and many more of the things happening right now, are exactly the milestones the 9/11 terrorists had hoped to achieve, and while it has taken 9 years to get us here, it is undeniably a direct result of what happened that day.
Instead of pulling together and working toward common goals that will support the average family in this country, we find the republican party hellbent on doing anything they can to make the current administration look bad, and doing whatever it takes to make sure the rich get richer and on the backs of the middle class of this country.
You claim this guy in Florida does not represent Christianity and its purposes in this day and age. Okay, but neither do the actions of the 9/11 terrorists represent the Islamic religion.
Quote from: Palehorse on September 10, 2010, 01:32:45 PM
If that is all you have taken away from this dialog and the ongoing dialog within this forum, then I submit that I will waste no further time in attempting to enlighten you, for it is a futile effort.
You will not recognize reason and common sense when they are 180 degrees from that which you hold as truth.
You will not consider empirical evidence nor recognize the proof it represents.
You steadfastly respond with insidious invectives toward those who endeavor to point out the multitude of errors within your statements, perspectives, and beliefs, then become offended when the opposition utilizes the very same methodology toward you in a last ditch effort to obtain your attention.
I disagree 100% with the majority of conservative values and initiatives presently being put forth. Rolling up the tents and closing up shop where government is concerned, is NOT a constructive answer toward addressing the pressing and increasing needs of the growing number of American citizens who are in dire straights in this country.
I disagree 100% with the republican initiative to undertake obstructionist politics especially in this time of urgent need.
These and many more of the things happening right now, are exactly the milestones the 9/11 terrorists had hoped to achieve, and while it has taken 9 years to get us here, it is undeniably a direct result of what happened that day.
Instead of pulling together and working toward common goals that will support the average family in this country, we find the republican party hellbent on doing anything they can to make the current administration look bad, and doing whatever it takes to make sure the rich get richer and on the backs of the middle class of this country.
You claim this guy in Florida does not represent Christianity and its purposes in this day and age. Okay, but neither do the actions of the 9/11 terrorists represent the Islamic religion.
Oh, you have such a way words and I agree with you 100%. I afraid that If Henry and "ME" got their way the American way of life would suck.
Quote from: The Troll on September 10, 2010, 01:31:21 PM
Have you noticed how quiet the Republican leaders are about the Koran burning. You know want to know why? They started the hate and fear mongering Bullshit. Newt, Beck, Hannity and many more. They want it to go on. They want trouble, distrust, smoke screen until November. They want this country in termoil and pain so they can win.
Just like I said before the Republican Party is EVIL.
Excuse me Troll but they all discourage hate and violence because it accomplishes nothing and Beck even tells people not to fall into that trap and let the far left goad you into it. Don't even go there dude.
Quote from: me on September 10, 2010, 02:58:40 PM
Excuse me Troll but they all discourage hate and violence because it accomplishes nothing and Beck even tells people not to fall into that trap and let the far left goad you into it. Don't even go there dude.
And yet. . . their messages and daily programs are filled with hate and malice right out of the gate!
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Limbaugh: Obama's "Wreck-onomics" Have Created A "Trail Of Tears"
Posted: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 16:38:44 EDT
Rush began today's show with a rant about President Obama and the policies Limbaugh later dubbed "wreck-onomics" and blamed for creating a "trail of tears and destructions." In his opening tirade, Limbaugh suggested that the president has become a "caricature" of a "bumbling, unfocused, destructive politician," claimed that Obama's "word can't be trusted," and called Obama "out of touch" and a "disingenuous guy." Rush then transitioned from attacks on Obama's character to attacks on his economic policies, claiming that the President is "waging war on the entire private sector" and is "destroying the lives of Americans from all walks of life."
Limbaugh then delved into the controversy surrounding the Islamic community center located near Ground Zero. Rush claimed that the site would not be a community center at all, but instead a "recruitment location" for terrorists. Rush also criticized Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, who will be the spiritual leader of the proposed center's religious activities, highlighting his comments from an interview with CNN's Soledad O'Brien and suggesting that they were "blackmail" or "some kind of a threat." Limbaugh even went so far as to claim that Imam Rauf's comments were "exactly how terrorists negotiate." In fact, Rauf's comments echo those of national security experts who have warned of the security implications of anti-Muslim protests.
Limbaugh also speculated about a potential rift between Hillary Clinton and President Obama. He joined the right-wing chorus distorting her comments about the federal debt at a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations to suggest she was attacking Obama. Limbaugh also discussed an article in The Atlantic in which Cuban leader Fidel Castro stated that the "Cuban model doesn't even work for us anymore." Rush saw this as an attempt by Castro to appeal to his "simpatico" in the White House, "Barack Hussein Imam Obama," to drop the Cuban trade embargo.
http://feeds.mediamatters.org/MediaMattersForAmerica-LimbaughWire (http://feeds.mediamatters.org/MediaMattersForAmerica-LimbaughWire)
Limbaugh: Media want to tie me to Quran-burning pastor "because they want the Muslims to call a fatwa on my head"
30 MINUTES AGO
Limbaugh proud that "casual throwaway" line about Obama's wedding ring is now a Politico story 13 MINUTES AGO
Media rife with anti-Muslim rhetoric in weeks leading up to 9-11 anniversarySeptember 09, 2010 9:14 am ET —
As the nation prepares to mark the ninth anniversary of the September 11 terrorist attacks, numerous media figures have propagated anti-Muslim rhetoric, often smearing Muslims as "terrorists," "jihadists," and "extremists," and dismissing Islam altogether as a "militant" and "anti-Semitic" faith.
Media display anti-Muslim bigotry in recent weeksGeller: "[A]nti-semitism is a basic tenet of Islam." In a September 8 blog post, Atlas Shrugs blogger Pamela Geller quoted Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf's statement that "[t]he very word 'islam' comes from a word cognate to shalom, which means peace in Hebrew." Geller wrote: "Considering that Islamic anti-semitism is a basic tenet of Islam. This is particularly disgusting. Talk about giving us the middle finger."
Peretz questions whether Muslims "are worthy of the privileges of the First Amendment." In a September 4 New Republic column, editor-in-chief Martin Peretz wrote that an "intense epidemic of slaughter [in the Islamic world] has been going on for nearly a decade and a half ... without protest, without anything. And it has been going for decades and centuries before that." Peretz then asked, "Why do not Muslims raise their voices against these at once planned and random killings all over the Islamic world?" He continued:
But, frankly, Muslim life is cheap, most notably to Muslims. And among those Muslims led by the Imam Rauf there is hardly one who has raised a fuss about the routine and random bloodshed that defines their brotherhood. So, yes, I wonder whether I need honor these people and pretend that they are worthy of the privileges of the First Amendment which I have in my gut the sense that they will abuse.
Buchanan: "[A] Western nation that opens its doors to mass migration from the Islamic world is taking a grave risk with its unity and identity." In an August 24 column, Pat Buchanan defended prejudice against Muslims by stating that while there are millions of "decent, peace-loving Muslims," "one would have to be obtuse not to understand that a Western nation that opens its doors to mass migration from the Islamic world is taking a grave risk with its unity and identity." Buchanan further stated:
This is not an argument for war with Islam, but for recognition that "East is East and West is West" and America cannot absorb and assimilate all the creeds of mankind without ceasing to be who we are.
Prejudice is prejudgment. And if prejudgment is rooted in the history and traditions of a people, and what life has taught us, it is a shield that protects. Only a fool would reject the inherited wisdom of his kind because it fails to comport with the ideology of the moment.
Franklin Graham: "True Islam" can't be practiced in U.S. because "you cannot beat your wife, you cannot do honor killing." On the August 19 broadcast of CNN's John King USA, Franklin Graham repeated his frequent attacks on Islam, claiming: "Remember, true Islam cannot be practiced here in this country. You cannot beat your wife. You cannot do honor killing if you think your daughter has misbehaved. You cannot kill her. And they're protected by the laws of this country. We're not under Sharia law. We're under the Constitution of the United States. And so we're protected."
Buchanan: Islam "is a militant faith." In an August 17 column about Obama's comments on the proposed Islamic center in New York, Buchanan wrote: "Islam is a rising faith, the largest on earth, with 1.5 billion adherents. It is a militant faith that believes it will one day encompass all mankind." He further claimed:
Where it has become the dominant faith, it has been intolerant of rivals, especially Christianity, the faith of the Crusaders.
By no means are all or most Muslims fanatics of the Osama bin Laden variety, but many are uncompromising in their belief that, once their faith becomes the majority faith in a community or society, Muslims should write the rules and Muslims should make the laws.
And if Americans believe that Islam is consistent with pluralism, ecumenism and a belief in the equality of all religions and all lifestyles, we are headed for what the Chinese call "interesting times."
Gingrich compares Islamic center to Nazis erecting sign near Holocaust museum, Japanese site near Pearl Harbor. On the August 16 edition of Fox & Friends, Newt Gingrich said: "Nazis don't have the right to put up a sign next to the Holocaust museum in Washington. We would never accept the Japanese putting up a site next to Pearl Harbor. There's no reason for us to accept a mosque next to the World Trade Center."
Nugent: "The mosque will attract extremists and radicals who will try to harm America." In an August 19 Washington Times op-ed attacking Park51, Ted Nugent wrote that "[t]he mosque will attract extremists and radicals who will try to harm America." Nugent repeatedly referred to Islam as a "voodoo religion" and concluded, "If additional American blood is spilled in the Big Apple, the politicians who supported this mosque will be as guilty as the Muslim voodoo kooks who love death and destruction in the name of Allah."
Cal Thomas repeatedly suggests Park51 would be a terrorist front. In an August 3 column, conservative commentator Cal Thomas wrote: "Ask yourself: if you wanted to infiltrate a country, wouldn't a grand strategy be to rapidly build mosques from Ground Zero in New York, to Temecula, Calif., and establish beachheads so fanatics could plan and advance their strategies under the cover of religious freedom and that great American virtue known as 'tolerance,' which is being used against us?" In a July 21 post on The Washington Post's On Faith blog, Thomas wrote:
A mosque near Ground Zero is not about tolerance, but triumphalism. It isn't about honoring the dead, but celebrating their deaths.
[...]
Don't we know why our enemies desire a beachhead in America? They wish to launch new terror attacks and forcibly convert Americans to their way of thinking and believing. What will we gain by allowing this to happen?
Morris: Park 51 will be used to "train and recruit Sharia law advocates who become terrorists." On the August 19 edition of Fox & Friends, Fox News contributor Dick Morris cited a study that he claimed said "80 percent of the mosques ... teach Sharia law as the main event." Morris later claimed that Park 51 will be used to "study and promote and train and recruit Sharia law advocates, which, who become terrorists." In his August 18 column, Morris wrote, "The proposed mosque near to ground zero is not really a religious institution. It would be -- as many mosques throughout the nation are -- a terrorist recruitment, indoctrination and training center." Morris also stated, "There can be no doubt that any mosque organized and run by Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf will be based on Sharia Law and will serve as local branch office of the pan-Islamic terrorist offensive against the west."
Morris: "[T]hese Sharia mosques ... have become the command center for terrorists," and Park51 "would be, too." On the August 18 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, during a discussion of Park51, Morris claimed that "these Sharia mosques ... have become the command centers for terrorists," adding, "so this one would be, too."
Bolling: Park51 "may be a meeting place for some of the scariest minds -- some of the biggest terrorist minds." On the August 19 edition of Fox & Friends, Fox Business host Eric Bolling claimed that Park51 "may be a meeting place for some of the scariest minds -- some of the biggest terrorist minds."
Kilmeade: "The next Hamburg cell could be right downtown." During the discussion with Bolling on the August 19 Fox & Friends, co-host Brian Kilmeade said of Park51, "The next Hamburg cell could be right downtown." A terrorist cell in Hamburg, Germany -- whose members would later become the 9-11 hijackers -- is believed to be the origin of the 9-11 plot.
Limbaugh suggests Park51 would be a "recruiting tool for domestic extremists." On the August 3 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh stated that if the Guantanamo Bay detention center "is a recruiting tool for foreign extremists, what about a World Trade Center mosque being a recruiting tool for domestic extremists?"
Fox guest suggests Islamic cultural center is intended to "trumpet" Muslim conquest. On the August 16 edition of Fox & Friends, guest Jeanine Pirro -- former Republican candidate for New York state attorney general -- said, "I think the whole idea of the mosque is outrageous, and if you're a student of history, you know that mosques are often built to trumpet their victories."
Beck asks, "[A]fter you've killed 3,000 people, you're going to now build your mosque?" On his August 18 radio show, Glenn Beck said of Park51: "You look for things that are uniting, I'm sorry, but the Cordoba Project is not uniting. If you wanted to unite people, you don't spit in their face. You don't spit in their face. On the 10th anniversary, after you've killed 3,000 people, you're going to now build your mosque on there, really?" Beck has repeatedly falsely claimed that Park51 was scheduled to open on September 11, 2011. He has also referred to the Islamic center as "the 9-11 mosque" and has wondered if it is "a possibility" that Park51's location is about "inoculation."
Limbaugh calls Islamic center "a victory monument at Ground Zero." On August 17, Limbaugh called Park51 "a victory monument at Ground Zero, which is what this mosque is." He added: "The real question is why do people who don't like this country want that mosque there? What is so important about having it there?"
Palin calls Park 51 a "stab in the heart" for Americans and a "slap" to 9-11 victims. During the August 16 edition of Fox News' On the Record, Fox News contributor Sarah Palin claimed that it was "an insensitive move on the part of those Muslims who want to build that mosque in this location. It feels like a stab in the heart to, collectively, Americans who still have that lingering pain from 9-11." Palin later said, "[T]his is a slap to those innocent victims who were murdered that day on 9-11."
Hoft dubs Park 51 the "Ground Zero Victory Mosque." In an August 16 Gateway Pundit post, Jim Hoft touted Fox News' Bill O'Reilly's criticism of Obama's comments about Park 51 and described the Islamic community center as the "Ground Zero Victory Mosque."
Washington Times: "If the mosque is constructed, the terrorists win." In an August 19 editorial, The Washington Times stated of the planned Islamic community center in New York City: "The Ground Zero Mosque is not healing a rift but deepening a wound. If the mosque is constructed, the terrorists win."
Geller absurdly compared NYC Islamic cultural center to building a KKK "shrine" near black Alabama church. On the August 11 edition of Fox & Friends, Geller absurdly compared building an Islamic cultural center two blocks away from Ground Zero in New York to building a Ku Klux Klan "shrine" near a black church in Alabama.
Hemmer: Park51 could be "the first stop for a radical jihadist who comes to America who wants to go pray." On the September 7 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom, co-host Bill Hemmer said of Park51, "It could also be the first stop for a radical jihadist who comes to America who wants to go pray."
Boortz: Park51 "being built to commemorate a great victory over the United States on 9-11." During the August 31 edition of Fox & Friends, right-wing radio host Neil Boortz claimed that Park51 is "being built to commemorate a great victory over the United States on 9-11."
Urbanski: "Would it be inflammatory to call the mosque a 'murder mosque' if it's there on Ground Zero?" On the August 27 edition of The Rush Limbaugh Show, guest host Doug Urbanski asked, "Would it be inflammatory to call the mosque a 'murder mosque' if it's there on Ground Zero?"
Limbaugh compares campaign against Park51 to Cold War: "We're now fighting the mosqueovites." On his August 25 radio show, Limbaugh compared the right-wing campaign against Park51 to the Cold War, claiming, "We're now fighting the mosqueovites."
Gaffney: Protesters holding signs with "Shariah" written in "dripping, blood-red ink" is "informed opposition" to Park51. In an August 26 Washington Times op-ed, Frank Gaffney wrote that protesters at a recent rally against the planned Islamic community center in Manhattan "had come together ... in informed opposition to the impetus behind that mosque: Shariah." Gaffney added: "In fact, throughout the crowd could be seen signs with just the word 'Shariah' lettered in dripping, blood-red ink."
http://mediamatters.org/research/201009090008 (http://mediamatters.org/research/201009090008)
Quote from: me on September 10, 2010, 02:58:40 PM
Excuse me Troll but they all discourage hate and violence because it accomplishes nothing and Beck even tells people not to fall into that trap and let the far left goad you into it. Don't even go there dude.
You and the :chick: have such a hate for the poor, the down and out, the unions, the sick who have no insurance, reading your bullshit, you would think you were in the super rich ilk.
But you guys really don't hardly have two dimes to rub together.
I would like the :chick: to loss his job and couldn't find another and have no safety nets like they have now. Nothing, like the Republicans want. I wonder how long he would have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. I seen it happen to people who were far better off than the :chick:.
And "me" I like to see how you and your husband lived without your Social Security and Medicare and drug plan I wonder how long you would last if one of you got sick. You guys really don't give a damn about anyone but yourselves. You are true Republicans, to the marrow of our bones. I would sure like you to get what you want to put on other people.
Media Matters is the same on the left as you say WND is on the right so don't even try to use that one. Beck even say's don't believe what he says or what anyone else tells you do the research yourself and then make up your mind. He does not incite anything nor does O'Reilley. I don't listen to Limbaugh so I don't have an opinion on that one except that I have never liked to listen to him. Hannity, well he has guests and both sides of things and I haven't been watching him lately. Now if these guy's giving opinions or presenting happenings of the day are any different, except they're more truthful, than Air America or any other right wing "opinion show" then something is amiss.
Quote from: Palehorse on September 10, 2010, 03:16:45 PM
And yet. . . their messages and daily programs are filled with hate and malice right out of the gate!
http://feeds.mediamatters.org/MediaMattersForAmerica-LimbaughWire (http://feeds.mediamatters.org/MediaMattersForAmerica-LimbaughWire)
Limbaugh: Media want to tie me to Quran-burning pastor "because they want the Muslims to call a fatwa on my head"
30 MINUTES AGO
Limbaugh proud that "casual throwaway" line about Obama's wedding ring is now a Politico story 13 MINUTES AGO
Media rife with anti-Muslim rhetoric in weeks leading up to 9-11 anniversary
September 09, 2010 9:14 am ET —
As the nation prepares to mark the ninth anniversary of the September 11 terrorist attacks, numerous media figures have propagated anti-Muslim rhetoric, often smearing Muslims as "terrorists," "jihadists," and "extremists," and dismissing Islam altogether as a "militant" and "anti-Semitic" faith.
Media display anti-Muslim bigotry in recent weeks
Geller: "[A]nti-semitism is a basic tenet of Islam." In a September 8 blog post, Atlas Shrugs blogger Pamela Geller quoted Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf's statement that "[t]he very word 'islam' comes from a word cognate to shalom, which means peace in Hebrew." Geller wrote: "Considering that Islamic anti-semitism is a basic tenet of Islam. This is particularly disgusting. Talk about giving us the middle finger."
Peretz questions whether Muslims "are worthy of the privileges of the First Amendment." In a September 4 New Republic column, editor-in-chief Martin Peretz wrote that an "intense epidemic of slaughter [in the Islamic world] has been going on for nearly a decade and a half ... without protest, without anything. And it has been going for decades and centuries before that." Peretz then asked, "Why do not Muslims raise their voices against these at once planned and random killings all over the Islamic world?" He continued:
But, frankly, Muslim life is cheap, most notably to Muslims. And among those Muslims led by the Imam Rauf there is hardly one who has raised a fuss about the routine and random bloodshed that defines their brotherhood. So, yes, I wonder whether I need honor these people and pretend that they are worthy of the privileges of the First Amendment which I have in my gut the sense that they will abuse.
Buchanan: "[A] Western nation that opens its doors to mass migration from the Islamic world is taking a grave risk with its unity and identity." In an August 24 column, Pat Buchanan defended prejudice against Muslims by stating that while there are millions of "decent, peace-loving Muslims," "one would have to be obtuse not to understand that a Western nation that opens its doors to mass migration from the Islamic world is taking a grave risk with its unity and identity." Buchanan further stated:
This is not an argument for war with Islam, but for recognition that "East is East and West is West" and America cannot absorb and assimilate all the creeds of mankind without ceasing to be who we are.
Prejudice is prejudgment. And if prejudgment is rooted in the history and traditions of a people, and what life has taught us, it is a shield that protects. Only a fool would reject the inherited wisdom of his kind because it fails to comport with the ideology of the moment.
Franklin Graham: "True Islam" can't be practiced in U.S. because "you cannot beat your wife, you cannot do honor killing." On the August 19 broadcast of CNN's John King USA, Franklin Graham repeated his frequent attacks on Islam, claiming: "Remember, true Islam cannot be practiced here in this country. You cannot beat your wife. You cannot do honor killing if you think your daughter has misbehaved. You cannot kill her. And they're protected by the laws of this country. We're not under Sharia law. We're under the Constitution of the United States. And so we're protected."
Buchanan: Islam "is a militant faith." In an August 17 column about Obama's comments on the proposed Islamic center in New York, Buchanan wrote: "Islam is a rising faith, the largest on earth, with 1.5 billion adherents. It is a militant faith that believes it will one day encompass all mankind." He further claimed:
Where it has become the dominant faith, it has been intolerant of rivals, especially Christianity, the faith of the Crusaders.
By no means are all or most Muslims fanatics of the Osama bin Laden variety, but many are uncompromising in their belief that, once their faith becomes the majority faith in a community or society, Muslims should write the rules and Muslims should make the laws.
And if Americans believe that Islam is consistent with pluralism, ecumenism and a belief in the equality of all religions and all lifestyles, we are headed for what the Chinese call "interesting times."
Gingrich compares Islamic center to Nazis erecting sign near Holocaust museum, Japanese site near Pearl Harbor. On the August 16 edition of Fox & Friends, Newt Gingrich said: "Nazis don't have the right to put up a sign next to the Holocaust museum in Washington. We would never accept the Japanese putting up a site next to Pearl Harbor. There's no reason for us to accept a mosque next to the World Trade Center."
Nugent: "The mosque will attract extremists and radicals who will try to harm America." In an August 19 Washington Times op-ed attacking Park51, Ted Nugent wrote that "[t]he mosque will attract extremists and radicals who will try to harm America." Nugent repeatedly referred to Islam as a "voodoo religion" and concluded, "If additional American blood is spilled in the Big Apple, the politicians who supported this mosque will be as guilty as the Muslim voodoo kooks who love death and destruction in the name of Allah."
Cal Thomas repeatedly suggests Park51 would be a terrorist front. In an August 3 column, conservative commentator Cal Thomas wrote: "Ask yourself: if you wanted to infiltrate a country, wouldn't a grand strategy be to rapidly build mosques from Ground Zero in New York, to Temecula, Calif., and establish beachheads so fanatics could plan and advance their strategies under the cover of religious freedom and that great American virtue known as 'tolerance,' which is being used against us?" In a July 21 post on The Washington Post's On Faith blog, Thomas wrote:
A mosque near Ground Zero is not about tolerance, but triumphalism. It isn't about honoring the dead, but celebrating their deaths.
[...]
Don't we know why our enemies desire a beachhead in America? They wish to launch new terror attacks and forcibly convert Americans to their way of thinking and believing. What will we gain by allowing this to happen?
Morris: Park 51 will be used to "train and recruit Sharia law advocates who become terrorists." On the August 19 edition of Fox & Friends, Fox News contributor Dick Morris cited a study that he claimed said "80 percent of the mosques ... teach Sharia law as the main event." Morris later claimed that Park 51 will be used to "study and promote and train and recruit Sharia law advocates, which, who become terrorists." In his August 18 column, Morris wrote, "The proposed mosque near to ground zero is not really a religious institution. It would be -- as many mosques throughout the nation are -- a terrorist recruitment, indoctrination and training center." Morris also stated, "There can be no doubt that any mosque organized and run by Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf will be based on Sharia Law and will serve as local branch office of the pan-Islamic terrorist offensive against the west."
Morris: "[T]hese Sharia mosques ... have become the command center for terrorists," and Park51 "would be, too." On the August 18 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, during a discussion of Park51, Morris claimed that "these Sharia mosques ... have become the command centers for terrorists," adding, "so this one would be, too."
Bolling: Park51 "may be a meeting place for some of the scariest minds -- some of the biggest terrorist minds." On the August 19 edition of Fox & Friends, Fox Business host Eric Bolling claimed that Park51 "may be a meeting place for some of the scariest minds -- some of the biggest terrorist minds."
Kilmeade: "The next Hamburg cell could be right downtown." During the discussion with Bolling on the August 19 Fox & Friends, co-host Brian Kilmeade said of Park51, "The next Hamburg cell could be right downtown." A terrorist cell in Hamburg, Germany -- whose members would later become the 9-11 hijackers -- is believed to be the origin of the 9-11 plot.
Limbaugh suggests Park51 would be a "recruiting tool for domestic extremists." On the August 3 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh stated that if the Guantanamo Bay detention center "is a recruiting tool for foreign extremists, what about a World Trade Center mosque being a recruiting tool for domestic extremists?"
Fox guest suggests Islamic cultural center is intended to "trumpet" Muslim conquest. On the August 16 edition of Fox & Friends, guest Jeanine Pirro -- former Republican candidate for New York state attorney general -- said, "I think the whole idea of the mosque is outrageous, and if you're a student of history, you know that mosques are often built to trumpet their victories."
Beck asks, "[A]fter you've killed 3,000 people, you're going to now build your mosque?" On his August 18 radio show, Glenn Beck said of Park51: "You look for things that are uniting, I'm sorry, but the Cordoba Project is not uniting. If you wanted to unite people, you don't spit in their face. You don't spit in their face. On the 10th anniversary, after you've killed 3,000 people, you're going to now build your mosque on there, really?" Beck has repeatedly falsely claimed that Park51 was scheduled to open on September 11, 2011. He has also referred to the Islamic center as "the 9-11 mosque" and has wondered if it is "a possibility" that Park51's location is about "inoculation."
Limbaugh calls Islamic center "a victory monument at Ground Zero." On August 17, Limbaugh called Park51 "a victory monument at Ground Zero, which is what this mosque is." He added: "The real question is why do people who don't like this country want that mosque there? What is so important about having it there?"
Palin calls Park 51 a "stab in the heart" for Americans and a "slap" to 9-11 victims. During the August 16 edition of Fox News' On the Record, Fox News contributor Sarah Palin claimed that it was "an insensitive move on the part of those Muslims who want to build that mosque in this location. It feels like a stab in the heart to, collectively, Americans who still have that lingering pain from 9-11." Palin later said, "[T]his is a slap to those innocent victims who were murdered that day on 9-11."
Hoft dubs Park 51 the "Ground Zero Victory Mosque." In an August 16 Gateway Pundit post, Jim Hoft touted Fox News' Bill O'Reilly's criticism of Obama's comments about Park 51 and described the Islamic community center as the "Ground Zero Victory Mosque."
Washington Times: "If the mosque is constructed, the terrorists win." In an August 19 editorial, The Washington Times stated of the planned Islamic community center in New York City: "The Ground Zero Mosque is not healing a rift but deepening a wound. If the mosque is constructed, the terrorists win."
Geller absurdly compared NYC Islamic cultural center to building a KKK "shrine" near black Alabama church. On the August 11 edition of Fox & Friends, Geller absurdly compared building an Islamic cultural center two blocks away from Ground Zero in New York to building a Ku Klux Klan "shrine" near a black church in Alabama.
Hemmer: Park51 could be "the first stop for a radical jihadist who comes to America who wants to go pray." On the September 7 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom, co-host Bill Hemmer said of Park51, "It could also be the first stop for a radical jihadist who comes to America who wants to go pray."
Boortz: Park51 "being built to commemorate a great victory over the United States on 9-11." During the August 31 edition of Fox & Friends, right-wing radio host Neil Boortz claimed that Park51 is "being built to commemorate a great victory over the United States on 9-11."
Urbanski: "Would it be inflammatory to call the mosque a 'murder mosque' if it's there on Ground Zero?" On the August 27 edition of The Rush Limbaugh Show, guest host Doug Urbanski asked, "Would it be inflammatory to call the mosque a 'murder mosque' if it's there on Ground Zero?"
Limbaugh compares campaign against Park51 to Cold War: "We're now fighting the mosqueovites." On his August 25 radio show, Limbaugh compared the right-wing campaign against Park51 to the Cold War, claiming, "We're now fighting the mosqueovites."
Gaffney: Protesters holding signs with "Shariah" written in "dripping, blood-red ink" is "informed opposition" to Park51. In an August 26 Washington Times op-ed, Frank Gaffney wrote that protesters at a recent rally against the planned Islamic community center in Manhattan "had come together ... in informed opposition to the impetus behind that mosque: Shariah." Gaffney added: "In fact, throughout the crowd could be seen signs with just the word 'Shariah' lettered in dripping, blood-red ink."
http://mediamatters.org/research/201009090008 (http://mediamatters.org/research/201009090008)
Quote from: The Troll on September 10, 2010, 01:31:21 PM
Have you noticed how quiet the Republican leaders are about the Koran burning. You know want to know why? They started the hate and fear mongering Bullshit. Newt, Beck, Hannity and many more. They want it to go on. They want trouble, distrust, smoke screen until November. They want this country in termoil and pain so they can win.
Just like I said before the Republican Party is EVIL.
open your ears troll, they ALL have spoken out against this guy, Hannity has, Rush has, Palin has...as mater of fact I haven't heard anyone, of signifcant value side up with this guy....like normal, you are talking out of your ass...
Quote from: me on September 10, 2010, 04:51:05 PM
Media Matters is the same on the left as you say WND is on the right so don't even try to use that one. Beck even say's don't believe what he says or what anyone else tells you do the research yourself and then make up your mind. He does not incite anything nor does O'Reilley. I don't listen to Limbaugh so I don't have an opinion on that one except that I have never liked to listen to him. Hannity, well he has guests and both sides of things and I haven't been watching him lately. Now if these guy's giving opinions or presenting happenings of the day are any different, except they're more truthful, than Air America or any other right wing "opinion show" then something is amiss.
PROVE they did not say the things listed within the articles I have posted thus far. You can't because the proof is there, in their own words and on video!
Quote from: Palehorse on September 10, 2010, 01:32:45 PM
If that is all you have taken away from this dialog and the ongoing dialog within this forum, then I submit that I will waste no further time in attempting to enlighten you, for it is a futile effort.
Please do, I have enough common sense to understand right and wrong, I don't need MORE spin loaded, material, you guys insist as empirical evidence...what is happening now, is NOT obstructionism by the republicans, it is lack of leadership...by someone who PROMISED he would build a bridge and get back to bi-partisan politics, but he has done NOTHING but, whine and complain and put down republicans.....HE is the one who is supposed to reach out across the aisle and put in place HIS policies to make things better.....Reagan was able to accomplish HIS mission with democrats running congress....because he was a leader, and compromised to get his policies into place....
Obama has failed, and he has no one to blame but himself....he has more than enough on both sides of congress, to where IF, he had any integrity and decency, he could have been very successful, and owned Washington for 6 more years....
you also said that I said the guy in Florida does not represent Christianity and its purposes in this day and age. Okay, but neither do the actions of the 9/11 terrorists represent the Islamic religion.....
but I never ONCE said such a thing, I have always agreed 100% with that the actions of the 9/11 terrorists does NOT represent the Islamic religion....and THIS is what get's my goat on here, you guys are ALWAYS putting generalizations of what the media says as the gospel...that is clearly what I see is going on....and that is as wrong as can be.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 10, 2010, 05:33:05 PM
Please do, I have enough common sense to understand right and wrong, I don't need MORE spin loaded, material, you guys insist as empirical evidence...what is happening now, is NOT obstructionism by the republicans, it is lack of leadership...by someone who PROMISED he would build a bridge and get back to bi-partisan politics, but he has done NOTHING but, whine and complain and put down republicans.....HE is the one who is supposed to reach out across the aisle and put in place HIS policies to make things better.....Reagan was able to accomplish HIS mission with democrats running congress....because he was a leader, and compromised to get his policies into place....
Obama has failed, and he has no one to blame but himself....he has more than enough on both sides of congress, to where IF, he had any integrity and decency, he could have been very successful, and owned Washington for 6 more years....
you also said that I said the guy in Florida does not represent Christianity and its purposes in this day and age. Okay, but neither do the actions of the 9/11 terrorists represent the Islamic religion.....
but I never ONCE said such a thing, I have always agreed 100% with that the actions of the 9/11 terrorists does NOT represent the Islamic religion....and THIS is what get's my goat on here, you guys are ALWAYS putting generalizations of what the media says as the gospel...that is clearly what I see is going on....and that is as wrong as can be.
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 10, 2010, 05:33:05 PM
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but I never ONCE said such a thing, I have always agreed 100% with that the actions of the 9/11 terrorists does NOT represent the Islamic religion....and THIS is what get's my goat on here, you guys are ALWAYS putting generalizations of what the media says as the gospel...that is clearly what I see is going on....and that is as wrong as can be.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 27, 2010, 04:20:57 PM
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ie, building a mosque where over 70% of the people CLEARLY does not want it there is not pursuit or insightful or a riot or worse?
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 27, 2010, 03:43:42 PM
The problem as I see it, is that decency and common sense know longer applies...there is right and wrong....this case with (I)man ( ;) ) ... is wrong. It is obvious his reasons for building this mosque on that particular site has larger motives other than trying to build "bridges" in the community.
He is going to get his way, because he is protected by our Constitution, and that part is fantastic, but the fact of the mater is, he IS offending many, many citizens of that community by building this mosque, and he does not seem interested in TRYING to "build any bridges"....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 27, 2010, 03:04:01 PM
If it was offending 70% of the people that lived there then maybe there would be an arguement....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 27, 2010, 02:32:32 PM
But, a radical muslim decision to build a mosque on the site of a building that was destroyed by radical Islamic muslims is NOT being a jackass?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 27, 2010, 10:41:23 AM
Enough of the "YOU PEOPLE" bullshit!!....Not every Christian is a Jerry Falwell Bible thumper....I say "f" YOU PEOPLE.
Quit acting as if this world would be a better without good-hearted, Christian folks. The extreme vast majority of the Christians in America are not shoving nothing down anyones throat. We ALL have different opinions, and we have a system where we vote on what is right and wrong, as long as it does not go outside our Constitution...we ALL have as much right to disagree or agree....but, whether you like it or not, this Country WAS founded on Judeo Christian values and principals....just read the preamble to the Constitution of every State in this Nation.
I can tell you what, just try to stop this NUT from voting on principals that I think is best for this country... ;)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 25, 2010, 02:49:58 PM
i think it is ignorant to think that this inman does not have further motives than a community sing along...
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 25, 2010, 01:10:13 PM
my only objection is this particular inman, what is his real motives.....like I said, IF they was wanting to build a "real" bridge, they could leave out the mosque or add a church, a synagoge and places of worship for others.....he didn't.
It is my formed opinion that there is more to his motives...if THAT makes me a bigot (in your opinion)....that is no skin off of my behind....I am not going to be a wussy, and go along with something that I think is wrong...because I "Might" offend someone.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 25, 2010, 09:57:14 AM
"what YOU people"?...f you Olias!! I can care less what the folks in TN are bitchin about....that is there battle, and maybe they are just plain rednecks, I don't know nor do I give a crap....but, this act on 9/11 was an attack on ALL Americans....and I DO give a crap about what is going on with this inman and his "little" plan he has.
liberals are the most obnoxious, egotistical, self-centered "people" I have ever known....stick that in your pipe....
Quote from: The Troll on September 10, 2010, 03:43:04 PM
I would like the :chick: to loss his job and couldn't find another and have no safety nets like they have now. Nothing, like the Republicans want....
I'm calling foul (that's with a "u", not a "w") on this post. No matter how often, or how stridently we disagree, this forum is a community of sorts. We celebrate our personal triumphs together, and grieve teach other's losses. To call down misfortune upon one of our own is ugly.
Hank,
me, much as I enjoy trading barbs with you both, I wish you only good things.
Quote from: LOsborne on September 10, 2010, 07:04:40 PM
Hank, me, much as I enjoy trading barbs with you both, I wish you only good things.
I would hope that's a sentiment across the board with everyone here.
Quote from: The Troll on September 10, 2010, 03:43:04 PM
You and the :chick: have such a hate for the poor, the down and out, the unions, the sick who have no insurance, reading your bullshit, you would think you were in the super rich ilk.
But you guys really don't hardly have two dimes to rub together.
I would like the :chick: to loss his job and couldn't find another and have no safety nets like they have now. Nothing, like the Republicans want. I wonder how long he would have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. I seen it happen to people who were far better off than the :chick:.
And "me" I like to see how you and your husband lived without your Social Security and Medicare and drug plan I wonder how long you would last if one of you got sick. You guys really don't give a damn about anyone but yourselves. You are true Republicans, to the marrow of our bones. I would sure like you to get what you want to put on other people.
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Quote from: Palehorse on September 10, 2010, 05:29:34 PM
PROVE they did not say the things listed within the articles I have posted thus far. You can't because the proof is there, in their own words and on video!
Like you're always telling HH and me, taken out of the whole context it makes it appear like what they are telling you it says when, like Anne said, it was not meant like that. Why didn't they chose the clip where he said what he did about doing your own research and make up your mind from that and not from what anyone tells you, even him? They hand picked and twisted pure and simple.
Quote from: LOsborne on September 10, 2010, 07:04:40 PM
I'm calling foul (that's with a "u", not a "w") on this post. No matter how often, or how stridently we disagree, this forum is a community of sorts. We celebrate our personal triumphs together, and grieve teach other's losses. To call down misfortune upon one of our own is ugly.
Hank, me, much as I enjoy trading barbs with you both, I wish you only good things.
Got you're panties all bunched again. Get them out of your butt crack. I didn't mean for him to actually loose his job. But if he does he would deserve everything he wishes on the untrained, the unwashed, the uneducated and people that doesn't quite stand to his high standards. :finger:
His elitist remark about him having a college education and "some untrained worker" could make more money than him, just because they belonged to a union. You and him can :kissit:
The Troll a dirty UAW union factory worker. A proud American worker. :4th3: and I helped build America's great cars for 38 years.
You did take my statement wrong and I am not sorry.
Quote from: me on September 10, 2010, 07:25:14 PM
Like you're always telling HH and me, taken out of the whole context it makes it appear like what they are telling you it says when, like Anne said, it was not meant like that. Why didn't they chose the clip where he said what he did about doing your own research and make up your mind from that and not from what anyone tells you, even him? They hand picked and twisted pure and simple.
Thats bullshit and you know it. (IF you even bothered to watch the clips or read the statements).
Quote from: Locutus on September 10, 2010, 07:06:41 PM
I would hope that's a sentiment across the board with everyone here.
You know it PH. Hey disagreeing is part of life and one has to be big enough to look past the differences. We may be a tad dysfunctional at times but we're family. :yes:
Quote from: me on September 10, 2010, 07:34:32 PM
You know it PH. Hey disagreeing is part of life and one has to be big enough to look past the differences. We may be a tad dysfunctional at times but we're family. :yes:
Thats twice now. . . :spooked:
Quote from: Palehorse on September 10, 2010, 07:30:49 PM
Thats bullshit and you know it. (IF you even bothered to watch the clips or read the statements).
A lot of the Beck shows I watched and I know it's BS. I'm not gonna go any further with this because you won't listen anyway so why bother. You are judging without having watching the entire show and so are the others who are falling for the crap so there's nothing more to be said.
:rolleyes:
More lies and you damned well know it.
So now you can join your feathered friend on the list you don't want to be on. . .
And here's your card as well:
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Quote from: me on September 10, 2010, 07:43:28 PM
:confused:
You and wolfie posted to me instead of Locutus! :spooked:
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Quote from: Palehorse on September 10, 2010, 07:44:27 PM
You and wolfie posted to me instead of Locutus! :spooked:
ROFLMAO.......We must be drinking the same thing. :biggrin:
Quote from: me on September 10, 2010, 08:02:30 PM
We must be drinking the same thing. :biggrin:
Share!
Where can I buy or get free a cheap Koran. I would like to take it up to the campground and burn it in the next campfire we have. I think it woud make me feel good. :bliss: :bliss: :bliss: :flag: Especieally with all the BS we have heard about it. Burn baby, burn baby.
Quote from: me on September 10, 2010, 07:34:32 PM
You know it PH. Hey disagreeing is part of life and one has to be big enough to look past the differences. We may be a tad dysfunctional at times but we're family. :yes:
Damn!! This is the second time in less than two days someone has responded to one of my posts and called me PH. :mad: ;D
Quote from: Palehorse on September 10, 2010, 07:35:36 PM
Thats twice now. . . :spooked:
:yes: :confused:
Perhaps too much Friday afternoon booze is goin' 'round.
Quote from: Locutus on September 11, 2010, 12:18:59 AM
Damn!! This is the second time in less than two days someone has responded to one of my posts and called me PH. :mad: ;D
It's the heat I tell ya it's the heat........ :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on September 11, 2010, 12:18:59 AM
Damn!! This is the second time in less than two days someone has responded to one of my posts and called me PH. :mad: ;D
Feel youself lucky, you could be called something worse the PH. Listen to Glen Beck, you can hear, Nazi, commy, socialist and racist. :biggrin: :yes: