http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/09/02/hawking.god.universe/index.html?hpt=C1 (http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/09/02/hawking.god.universe/index.html?hpt=C1)
. . .God did not create the universe, world-famous physicist Stephen Hawking argues in a new book that aims to banish a divine creator from physics.
Hawking says in his book "The Grand Design" that, given the existence of gravity, "the universe can and will create itself from nothing," according to an excerpt published Thursday in The Times of London.
"Spontaneous creation is the reason why there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," he writes in the excerpt.
"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper [fuse] and set the universe going," he writes. . .
I will be reading this book when I can get my grubby little hooves on it!
Ya know, the whole thing to me is like a chicken egg thing. Even if there were a God who created him? So couldn't both sides of the discussion have a point? Nothing created God and he created the rest.....I know go away.....Heck this whole universe could be a speck of dirt on some giants arm for all we know.
Quote from: me on September 02, 2010, 09:55:38 PM
Ya know, the whole thing to me is like a chicken egg thing. Even if there were a God who created him? So couldn't both sides of the discussion have a point? Nothing created God and he created the rest.....I know go away.....Heck this whole universe could be a speck of dirt on some giants arm for all we know.
Now you're getting it. We can know only what we can see. This faith bullshit, is for the :bird: Let us :pray:
Quote from: The Troll on September 02, 2010, 10:33:51 PM
Now you're getting it. We can know only what we can see. This faith bullshit, is for the :bird: Let us :pray:
What do you mean now I get it? I've always had it...... :biggrin:
If there it a God, he doing a piss poor job. Especieally for the people in his imaige here on earth. Like I have said before he needs to be fired. And do you really think a rainbow is God's promise to not to flood the earth again or it the sunlight refacting off of rain drops. Hummmmm.
Quote from: The Troll on September 03, 2010, 11:11:18 AM
If there it a God, he doing a piss poor job. Especieally for the people in his imaige here on earth. Like I have said before he needs to be fired. And do you really think a rainbow is God's promise to not to flood the earth again or it the sunlight refacting off of rain drops. Hummmmm.
Don't you know nuthin' Troll? We're all in hell 'cause we got cast out of Eden for doin' bad stuff..... :biggrin: Actually I think Hawking is pretty much a flake.
Quote from: me on September 03, 2010, 01:24:22 PM
Actually I think Hawking is pretty much a flake.
I think most people think that about people as absolutely brilliant as he is.
Quote from: Olias on September 03, 2010, 01:31:26 PM
I think most people think that about people as absolutely brilliant as he is.
True 'cause they usually wonder around in a foggy state and behave weird for some unknown reason. Didn't they think Einstein was a fruit cake too?
Quote from: me on September 03, 2010, 01:34:14 PM
True 'cause they usually wonder around in a foggy state and behave weird for some unknown reason. Didn't they think Einstein was a fruit cake too?
Have you seen Hawking lately? Do you really think he can wander around? And how is sitting completely motionless in a wheelchair behaving weirdly?
Quote from: Olias on September 03, 2010, 01:43:24 PM
Have you seen Hawking lately? Do you really think he can wander around? And how is sitting completely motionless in a wheelchair behaving weirdly?
Ok get technical.....some wheel around.....duh....I know he can't move but others can. sheesh :rolleyes:
Common sense is instinct. Enough of it is genius. ~George Bernard Shaw
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~Jonathan Swift
Hawking is amazing! :yes:
I still think Al had it right when he said... "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
Do you have any real conception of what Einstein was talking about when he wrote that little throw-away line in 1941?
...a person who is religiously enlightened appears to me to be one who has, to the best of his ability, liberated himself from the fetters of his selfish desires and is preoccupied with thoughts, feelings, and aspirations to which he clings because of their superpersonalvalue. It seems to me that what is important is the force of this superpersonal content and the depth of the conviction concerning its overpowering meaningfulness, regardless of whether any attempt is made to unite this content with a divine Being...
Einstein was speaking of what he called "cosmic religious feeling," which does not include either fear of the unknown or regulation of morality, and has no anthropomorphic central figure.
The religious geniuses of all ages have been distinguished by this kind of religious feeling, which knows no dogma and no God conceived in man's image; so that there can be no church whose central teachings are based on it. Hence it is precisely among the heretics of every age that we find men who were filled with this highest kind of religious feeling and were in many cases regarded by their contemporaries as atheists, sometimes also as saints. Looked at in this light, men like Democritus, Francis of Assisi, and Spinoza are closely akin to one another.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/einstein/einsci.htm#TWO
If you have read and understood these discourses by Einstein, and still believe Al had it right, I welcome you to the realm of reason.
And here's a more recent example of exactly what you're talking about. The "religion" of the universe. Well worth a 9 minute watch.
I was just thinking Stephen Hawking might not be the anti-christ, but the beast.
I think every generation has had an antichrist, but the final one will claim to do these things that only Hawking seems to have the opportunity to do.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2010, 12:25:43 AM
I still think Al had it right when he said... "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
Science is a scared mans way of trying to figure out the world. They put their little calculations on paper and try to force them to add up. It's really as simple as having faith in God. For those of us who do someday we will have all of the answers.
Quote from: Doc on September 04, 2010, 04:41:16 PM
Science is a scared mans way of trying to figure out the world. They put their little calculations on paper and try to force them to add up. It's really as simple as having faith in God. For those of us who do someday we will have all of the answers.
Just the same old lame brain stupid bullshit out of a brain dead brain moran. You can't prove one damn thing you say. Of the two of you, who would I believe you or Hawking. It's Hawking by far. Just go back to your Bible and Fox News and live in your lame brain world. You just can't fix stupid.
Quote from: Doc on September 04, 2010, 04:41:16 PM
It's really as simple as having faith in God. For those of us who do someday we will have all of the answers.
Sugar, if you are planning to get the answers from religion, you won't even get all the questions.
Solar Systems, Earth, Animals, Plants and Human have been evolved through Million of Years, no invisible guy in the sky named God, had a role in this evloution!