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Title: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: Palehorse on July 20, 2010, 04:48:12 PM
Ms Sherrod was regional director for rural development for the USDA until yesterday. Ms Sherrod and her family owned a 6,000 acre portion of prime agricultural land, along with 10 other families 30 years ago, and eventually, because these families were all discriminated against by the USDA and those in power at the time, these families were forced off the property and foreclosed upon. Ms Sherrod is African American.

Subsequent to losing the farm, Ms Sherrod went to work for a non-profit organization with the mission of assisting farmers who were in trouble and offering assistance. 28 years ago in the course of her work she was asked for assistance by a white farmer, and although she had never historically been asked to help by a white farmer, she went about her work.

25 years ago, Ms Sherrod began using the story of her experiences in that case to motivate her audiences and provide an example of how people can work together if they can move beyond racial separation. 25 years ago! (She did not begin working for the USDA until 2009)

Fox news and Glenn Beck got hold of a copy of that speech, which was taped and edited so that it appeared that Ms Sherrod was making racially inflammatory statements in her speech, after it was posted by a conservative (Andrew Breitbart) on line post editing. The video went viral and even the NAACP issued a statement coming out against this woman.

The Secretary of Agriculture subsequently made a decision to separate this woman from her employment over this video posting, because it (in its edited form) appears to be racially inflammatory. Even though it was a speech made 25 years ago, 23 years before she ever became a government employee. Even though she herself had been subjected to racism and saw her family lose its livelihood, its home, and a father to the KKK. Even though the very family about which this video taped speech was about, has come out and stated publicly that Sherrod is NOT a racist and had worked long and hard to help them keep their farm! The family has nothing but praise for her and they remain friends to this very day.

As this story develops it increasingly appears that the USDA and NAACP have both gone off half-cocked, without investigating, without any effort what so ever to look into the matter, and wrongfully separated an employee in this situation. She is not a racist, she has been victimized by the racial divide. . .

Ms Sherrod's own description of what has happened; "The NAACP got into a fight with the tea party, and the tea party dug this video of me up, edited it and took a portion out of context, and my losing my position is the result".
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: kimmi on July 20, 2010, 05:01:25 PM
It seems to me that more and more people, groups, etc  are apt to not research things they hear from media and take it as gospel.  Now I don't know anything about this woman and I have not heard this story before.  But it seems to me that it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for a non-profit to have employed her for 25 years if indeed she was a racist.  I would think that when the USDA hired her, she had to have several references and lots of face to face interviews.  If she had been a racist, I would like to think it would have come out then.  It just doesn't make sense.

I think if Fox News did edit the original speech in order to change the context, they ought to be sued for slander.  IMO
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: Palehorse on July 20, 2010, 05:14:52 PM
In 2004 Andrew Breitbart  was a guest commentator on Fox News Channel's morning show and frequently appears as a guest panelist on Fox News's late night program, Red Eye w/ Greg Gutfeld. He posted the edited version of the video on his web site and youtube. He is the source for the edited version from what I can tell at this point, and the source for Faux-news and Glenn Beck as well. And sources indicate that Breitbart refused to post the full length video until Sherrod was removed from office.
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: kimmi on July 20, 2010, 05:21:40 PM
Yep!  Where is my attorney!  :yes:
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: me on July 20, 2010, 05:26:49 PM
I think she's being a scapegoat myself.  Glen Beck didn't do anything on her yesterday as a matter of fact and he is defending her and not only did Fox air the tape yesterday they did not edit anything, it was shown exactly like it is.  You can say whatever you wish but this is a blatant attempt to make Fox and Glen look like the bad guys at the expense of this woman and it's just plain wrong.
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: me on July 20, 2010, 05:28:33 PM
Quote from: kimmi on July 20, 2010, 05:01:25 PM
It seems to me that more and more people, groups, etc  are apt to not research things they hear from media and take it as gospel.  Now I don't know anything about this woman and I have not heard this story before.  But it seems to me that it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for a non-profit to have employed her for 25 years if indeed she was a racist.  I would think that when the USDA hired her, she had to have several references and lots of face to face interviews.  If she had been a racist, I would like to think it would have come out then.  It just doesn't make sense.

I think if Fox News did edit the original speech in order to change the context, they ought to be sued for slander.  IMO
They did not edit the original speech because I saw it and it was exactly as given. 
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: Bo D on July 20, 2010, 05:32:45 PM
Quote from: me on July 20, 2010, 05:28:33 PM
They did not edit the original speech because I saw it and it was exactly as given.

You saw that speech 25 years ago and you remember every word? Unbelievable!
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: Anne on July 20, 2010, 05:34:49 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on July 20, 2010, 04:48:12 PM
Ms Sherrod was regional director for rural development for the USDA until yesterday. Ms Sherrod and her family owned a 6,000 acre portion of prime agricultural land, along with 10 other families 30 years ago, and eventually, because these families were all discriminated against by the USDA and those in power at the time, these families were forced off the property and foreclosed upon. Ms Sherrod is African American.

Subsequent to losing the farm, Ms Sherrod went to work for a non-profit organization with the mission of assisting farmers who were in trouble and offering assistance. 28 years ago in the course of her work she was asked for assistance by a white farmer, and although she had never historically been asked to help by a white farmer, she went about her work.

25 years ago, Ms Sherrod began using the story of her experiences in that case to motivate her audiences and provide an example of how people can work together if they can move beyond racial separation. 25 years ago! (She did not begin working for the USDA until 2009)

Fox news and Glenn Beck got hold of a copy of that speech, which was taped and edited so that it appeared that Ms Sherrod was making racially inflammatory statements in her speech, after it was posted by a conservative (Andrew Breitbart) on line post editing. The video went viral and even the NAACP issued a statement coming out against this woman.

The Secretary of Agriculture subsequently made a decision to separate this woman from her employment over this video posting, because it (in its edited form) appears to be racially inflammatory. Even though it was a speech made 25 years ago, 23 years before she ever became a government employee. Even though she herself had been subjected to racism and saw her family lose its livelihood, its home, and a father to the KKK. Even though the very family about which this video taped speech was about, has come out and stated publicly that Sherrod is NOT a racist and had worked long and hard to help them keep their farm! The family has nothing but praise for her and they remain friends to this very day.

As this story develops it increasingly appears that the USDA and NAACP have both gone off half-cocked, without investigating, without any effort what so ever to look into the matter, and wrongfully separated an employee in this situation. She is not a racist, she has been victimized by the racial divide. . .

Ms Sherrod's own description of what has happened; "The NAACP got into a fight with the tea party, and the tea party dug this video of me up, edited it and took a portion out of context, and my losing my position is the result".

Wasn't on Gleen Beck last night. Ms Sherrod was fired before Mr. Beck aired the story.
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: Henry Hawk on July 20, 2010, 05:37:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GNArUTCo0Q&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GNArUTCo0Q&feature=related)

I don't see where fox did any editing to who words......she herself was telling a story about a white farmer who she discriminated against....I have no doubt the tea party is trying to show examples of racism by the very group who is screaming racism....I think she CLEARLY shows that she WAS discriminating against white people, and was probably speaking inappropriatly at a NCAAP conference...

I think of a bigger example where the NCAAP is wrong, they want to cast a shadow over a entire group of people who represent the "tea party", but yet has not come out against the "new black panther party".....who is of the utmost racist groups in existence today.....

I can wager you that there will NOT be ANY racial overtones that will be tolerated at ANY upcoming Tea Party event, especially now.....the vast majority of those folks will NOT put up with any racial crap....

to me it is nothing more than a attack on the Tea Party by the left to demonize this movement and try to take away the spark it has ignited.....
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: me on July 20, 2010, 05:39:22 PM
Quote from: Olias on July 20, 2010, 05:32:45 PM
You saw that speech 25 years ago and you remember every word? Unbelievable!
I watched it yesterday on Fox in it's entirety...unedited....as given....You have been lied to plain and simple.
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: me on July 20, 2010, 05:41:52 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 20, 2010, 05:37:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GNArUTCo0Q&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GNArUTCo0Q&feature=related)

I don't see where fox did any editing to who words......she herself was telling a story about a white farmer who she discriminated against....I have no doubt the tea party is trying to show examples of racism by the very group who is screaming racism....I think she CLEARLY shows that she WAS discriminating against white people, and was probably speaking inappropriatly at a NCAAP conference...

I think of a bigger example where the NCAAP is wrong, they want to cast a shadow over a entire group of people who represent the "tea party", but yet has not come out against the "new black panther party".....who is of the utmost racist groups in existence today.....

I can wager you that there will NOT be ANY racial overtones that will be tolerated at ANY upcoming Tea Party event, especially now.....the vast majority of those folks will NOT put up with any racial crap....

to me it is nothing more than a attack on the Tea Party by the left to demonize this movement and try to take away the spark it has ignited.....
She was giving it as an example of where her thinking was wrong all those years ago and saying it isn't and shouldn't be just about black and white any longer it should be about people.  There was nothing, absolutely nothing, wrong with the speech and she shouldn't have been fired.  She was not portrayed badly on Fox period.   *Sorry to disagree with ya here HH but I happened to see what was aired yesterday and I know it wasn't intended to be a racist thing and was not inappropriate.
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: Palehorse on July 20, 2010, 05:46:05 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 20, 2010, 05:37:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GNArUTCo0Q&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GNArUTCo0Q&feature=related)

I don't see where fox did any editing to who words......she herself was telling a story about a white farmer who she discriminated against....I have no doubt the tea party is trying to show examples of racism by the very group who is screaming racism....I think she CLEARLY shows that she WAS discriminating against white people, and was probably speaking inappropriatly at a NCAAP conference...

I think of a bigger example where the NCAAP is wrong, they want to cast a shadow over a entire group of people who represent the "tea party", but yet has not come out against the "new black panther party".....who is of the utmost racist groups in existence today.....

I can wager you that there will NOT be ANY racial overtones that will be tolerated at ANY upcoming Tea Party event, especially now.....the vast majority of those folks will NOT put up with any racial crap....

to me it is nothing more than a attack on the Tea Party by the left to demonize this movement and try to take away the spark it has ignited.....
Quote from: me on July 20, 2010, 05:39:22 PM
I watched it yesterday on Fox in it's entirety...unedited....as given....You have been lied to plain and simple.

I never said it aired on Glenn Beck or Faux News. It did not have to. The version was on youtube and that was the version that (initially) Faux and Beck had. CNN had it too, but unlike a lot of their supposed competition, they chose to investigate it before reporting on it. . . Also unlike her former employer.

Beck was scheduled to run a story on her and his show contacted the USDA for comment. Ms Sherrod was forced to resign under pressure and threat of firing. . .

Now, if you saw the full version, how you come away from it even thinking this woman is a racist is beyond comprehension. . . But big surprise here; right now you seem to agree with the NAACP. . .

EDIT: BTW, Sherrod herself was told by her superior over the phone, that "Beck was going to do a piece on her over that speech, and because of that the White House was insisting that she resign". This came from her bosses mouth according to Sherrod, and she was asked to pull over where she was and submit her resignation immediately.

The Secretary of the USDA himself issued a statement indicating that it was he, ad he alone, who made the decision to separate her, and the white house had no input in the matter, nor did he speak to anyone at the white house about it.
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: me on July 20, 2010, 05:57:02 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on July 20, 2010, 05:46:05 PM
I never said it aired on Glenn Beck or Faux News. It did not have to. The version was on youtube and that was the version that (initially) Faux and Beck had. CNN had it too, but unlike a lot of their supposed competition, they chose to investigate it before reporting on it. . . Also unlike her former employer.

Beck was scheduled to run a story on her and his show contacted the USDA for comment. Ms Sherrod was forced to resign under pressure and threat of firing. . .

Now, if you saw the full version, how you come away from it even thinking this woman is a racist is beyond comprehension. . . But big surprise here; right now you seem to agree with the NAACP. . .
Did you not read my above post?  Fox did not air the edited version period.  They edited the full version.  They did not do nor did they intend to do what they were accused of.  Get off that Fox News bad guy thing for petes sake. 
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: Palehorse on July 20, 2010, 06:04:10 PM
Quote from: me on July 20, 2010, 05:57:02 PM
Did you not read my above post?  Fox did not air the edited version period.  They edited the full version.  They did not do nor did they intend to do what they were accused of.  Get off that Fox News bad guy thing for petes sake.

Tell that to her boss, because that is what was given to her as justification for asking for her resignation. I am not saying it, I am repeating what Ms Sherrod herself said she was told to her by her superior!  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: me on July 20, 2010, 06:11:54 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on July 20, 2010, 06:04:10 PM
Tell that to her boss, because that is what was given to her as justification for asking for her resignation. I am not saying it, I am repeating what Ms Sherrod herself said was told to her by her superior!  :rolleyes:
Because they thought Fox News "might" get ahold of the story?  That's a crock and she is being used.  Fox said when they did show the video that it was something that happened 20yrs ago and showed her saying she learned her lesson from that experience and it isn't about black and white but about people.  It wasn't even presented as a racist story.  I say again....the other media is lying about this pure and simple.
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: Palehorse on July 20, 2010, 06:16:44 PM
Quote from: me on July 20, 2010, 06:11:54 PM
Because they thought Fox News "might" get ahold of the story?  That's a crock and she is being used.  Fox said when they did show the video that it was something that happened 20yrs ago and showed her saying she learned her lesson from that experience and it isn't about black and white but about people.  It wasn't even presented as a racist story.  I say again....the other media is lying about this pure and simple.

I heard the statement from Ms Sherrod herself, live on CNN this morning and this afternoon. It was 25 years ago. . .

Now, the smoking gun is the edited version came from Andrew Breitbart, one of Faux News favorite freelancers and guest speakers. It was posted online by HIM! Read the postings dammit! Breitbart refused to release the full version until after Sherrod was fired, and once she was he released it. . .

Moreover, the "subject" of that story in the video, the farmer and his wife, both went on live TV and made statements that fully support Sherrod's version of what happened back then, and both of them are mad as hell that she has lost her job over it. It was clear that Sherrod was caught unaware when the reporter first put the wife on the air, but clearly the farmers wife fully supported her. On Rick Sanchez's show this afternoon the farmer and his wife were interviewed from their home (televised) and both of them clearly say there is not a racist bone in this woman's body, and that she went to the wall for them and enabled them to keep their farm.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/07/20/spooners.usda.int.cnn?hpt=C1 (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/07/20/spooners.usda.int.cnn?hpt=C1)

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/07/20/nr.sherrod.intv.entire.cnn/?hpt=C1 (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/07/20/nr.sherrod.intv.entire.cnn/?hpt=C1)
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: me on July 20, 2010, 07:17:43 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on July 20, 2010, 06:16:44 PM
I heard the statement from Ms Sherrod herself, live on CNN this morning and this afternoon. It was 25 years ago. . .

Now, the smoking gun is the edited version came from Andrew Breitbart, one of Faux News favorite freelancers and guest speakers. It was posted online by HIM! Read the postings dammit! Breitbart refused to release the full version until after Sherrod was fired, and once she was he released it. . .

Moreover, the "subject" of that story in the video, the farmer and his wife, both went on live TV and made statements that fully support Sherrod's version of what happened back then, and both of them are mad as hell that she has lost her job over it. It was clear that Sherrod was caught unaware when the reporter first put the wife on the air, but clearly the farmers wife fully supported her. On Rick Sanchez's show this afternoon the farmer and his wife were interviewed from their home (televised) and both of them clearly say there is not a racist bone in this woman's body, and that she went to the wall for them and enabled them to keep their farm.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/07/20/spooners.usda.int.cnn?hpt=C1 (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/07/20/spooners.usda.int.cnn?hpt=C1)

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/07/20/nr.sherrod.intv.entire.cnn/?hpt=C1 (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/07/20/nr.sherrod.intv.entire.cnn/?hpt=C1)
And you are not reading what I am writing.  They fired her because Fox News "might" make something out of it.  It is being twisted because the White House jumped the gun and did something stupid because they're starting to believe their own stupid lies about Fox News.  If you'd pay attention you'd see them jumping like crazy to cover their asses for being so stupid.  They can say Breitbart threatened them all day long but that don't make it so.  Where's the proof?  It's just their word period trying to cover their own asses. 
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: LOsborne on July 20, 2010, 07:27:30 PM
While I have a feeling this horse is near death, in the interest of accuracy, I will post the latest story from AOL:

http://www.aolnews.com/politics/article/black-usda-official-shirley-sherrod-resigns-in-flap-over-white-farmer/19560922

along with the one from Fox News:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/19/clip-shows-usda-official-admitting-withheld-help-white-farmer/

And just in case y'all want to get into timelines, both of them are date-lined today.

Maybe it's just me, but I get a distinctly different feel from these two reports.
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: The Troll on July 20, 2010, 07:27:50 PM
Quote from: me on July 20, 2010, 05:57:02 PM
Did you not read my above post?  Fox did not air the edited version period.  They edited the full version.  They did not do nor did they intend to do what they were accused of.  Get off that Fox News bad guy thing for petes sake.

  Get off of Fox lying ass, you got to be kidding.  Anyone who watches Fox is absolutely brain dead.  How could anyone with a brain can't see all of the lies they tell.  If they don't have news they make it up.

  You can take Rupert Murdoch, Fox News and :kazz: :me:
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: Palehorse on July 20, 2010, 07:41:28 PM
Quote from: me on July 20, 2010, 07:17:43 PM
And you are not reading what I am writing.  They fired her because Fox News "might" make something out of it.  It is being twisted because the White House jumped the gun and did something stupid because they're starting to believe their own stupid lies about Fox News.  If you'd pay attention you'd see them jumping like crazy to cover their asses for being so stupid.  They can say Breitbart threatened them all day long but that don't make it so.  Where's the proof?  It's just their word period trying to cover their own asses.

My, reading comprehension is your friend. I never said Faux news or Beck aired it, what I said is the video was posted by Breitbart, who posted it on his site and youtube. It went viral, and THAT caught the attention of Beck and Faux news. (NOTICE: I gave Fox the benefit of the doubt).

Now, according to what Lolly posted it appears Faux not only posted it, but continues to post it online. . . And Faux is continuing to assume the worst based upon an out of context statement contained within an edited version of the video.

You yourself said it was not racist, but Faux continues to list an inaccurate and false account on the matter, and continues to highlight the negative NAACP reaction despite an official retraction. . .

Yeah, "they're on it"!  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: kimmi on July 20, 2010, 07:45:26 PM
I would still find someone to take to court!   :razz:
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: Palehorse on July 20, 2010, 07:47:48 PM
The more information (accurate) that comes to light on this, the more I tend to agree with Sherrod. She is the victim of a knee jerk reaction to the situation between the NAACP and the Tea Party!  :yes:
Quote from: kimmi on July 20, 2010, 07:45:26 PM
I would still find someone to take to court!   :razz:

It would appear there is no shortage of entities that are at fault here too!  :yes:

Sue them ALL!  :yes:
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: me on July 20, 2010, 07:59:01 PM
Watched the CNN clip on Fox earlier today too.   :razz:
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: The Troll on July 20, 2010, 09:08:32 PM
Quote from: me on July 20, 2010, 07:59:01 PM
Watched the CNN clip on Fox earlier today too.   :razz:

  Yep, that's the only way you would watch CNN, is through Fox New Network.   :yes: :yes: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: LOsborne on July 20, 2010, 09:12:58 PM
Was it edited? snicker
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: me on July 20, 2010, 09:39:29 PM
Quote from: LOsborne on July 20, 2010, 09:12:58 PM
Was it edited? snicker
No sure wasn't.  When ya'll figure out you're getting lied to about Fox you'll be a lot better off for sure.  In the meantime just go right ahead and make fun, follow MSNBC, NBC, and ABC, maybe CNN if they got scared off by the warning they were sent for airing a negative story last week, and remain in your cozy little world hating and putting down everything that disagrees with this administration. 
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: Palehorse on July 20, 2010, 09:43:06 PM
Quote from: me on July 20, 2010, 09:39:29 PM
No sure wasn't.  When ya'll figure out you're getting lied to about Fox you'll be a lot better off for sure.  In the meantime just go right ahead and make fun, follow MSNBC, NBC, and ABC, maybe CNN if they got scared off by the warning they were sent for airing a negative story last week, and remain in your cozy little world hating and putting down everything that disagrees with this administration.

Hater. . .
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: The Troll on July 20, 2010, 09:54:43 PM
Quote from: me on July 20, 2010, 09:39:29 PM
No sure wasn't.  When ya'll figure out you're getting lied to about Fox you'll be a lot better off for sure.  In the meantime just go right ahead and make fun, follow MSNBC, NBC, and ABC, maybe CNN if they got scared off by the warning they were sent for airing a negative story last week, and remain in your cozy little world hating and putting down everything that disagrees with this administration.

  You forgot CBS, isn't it amazing, out of five (5) national news broadcasting corporations, only one  BSFOX, is right all of the time.  Are you out of your frigging mind :me:,  Get  your head out of your ass and breathe.  :waaa:  There coming to get me ha, ha to the funny farm we go  hee,hee.  :waaa:
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: Anne on July 20, 2010, 10:03:51 PM
If you watched Mr. Beck or Mr. Baier tonight you would have seen that both reported the story correctly - happebed 25 years ago when the lady was not working for USDA, corrected her mistake and learned a lesson. Not at all what you are saying. If you don't watch these shows how do you know what is said?
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: me on July 20, 2010, 11:12:32 PM
Quote from: Anne on July 20, 2010, 10:03:51 PM
If you watched Mr. Beck or Mr. Baier tonight you would have seen that both reported the story correctly - happebed 25 years ago when the lady was not working for USDA, corrected her mistake and learned a lesson. Not at all what you are saying. If you don't watch these shows how do you know what is said?
Because their wonderful loving fair minded newscasters on those other networks tell them... :wink:  I know, being fair minded and all that those other networks will have Breitbart on to tell his side of the story.  I mean it's only fair since they, the White House, lied about what went on to cover their butts.

Anne these people have no clue about Fox and how many positive stories about the administration they carry because they only listen to those other networks who suck up and never report the negative stuff 'cause they know if they did, like CNN dared to do last week I think it was, they too will get a stern warning from the powers that be.
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: Palehorse on July 21, 2010, 12:22:05 AM
Umm. . . he was on CNN this evening. . . :rolleyes:

TRY to keep up!
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: Anne on July 21, 2010, 12:49:06 AM
Who? Mr. Beck, Mr. Baier, President Obama, head of NAACP?
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: LOsborne on July 21, 2010, 07:25:26 AM
Quote from: me on July 20, 2010, 11:12:32 PM

Anne these people have no clue about Fox and how many positive stories about the administration they carry because they only listen to those other networks ...

I am by god damned sure one of those links I posted was Fox. Do you think I just went searching for it? Me, I watch them all -- mostly the on-line stream, because I don't have that much time to watch TV, but I can stream news while I'm working on something else. But only the "news" programs. I don't find it necessary to have any of the commentators tell me what I should think about the facts. Try it. It's surprisingly liberating.
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: The Troll on July 21, 2010, 08:56:31 AM
Quote from: LOsborne on July 21, 2010, 07:25:26 AMI am by god damned sure one of those links I posted was Fox. Do you think I just went searching for it? Me, I watch them all -- mostly the on-line stream, because I don't have that much time to watch TV, but I can stream news while I'm working on something else. But only the "news" programs. I don't find it necessary to have any of the commentators tell me what I should think about the facts. Try it. It's surprisingly liberating.

  Lolly, I know how you feel about dealing with dumbasses.  But you know, like I know that anyone to thinks Glen Beck and The Fox New Network are truthful and smart and totally brain dead. :dead: :suck: :suck:  :suck: :blah: :blah: :blah:  :wacko:
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: Henry Hawk on July 21, 2010, 09:40:38 AM
  I will admit, that the tone of racism in Ms Sherrod's voice was more than likely NOT the way she intended it...and I believe she is a good woman, who got fired by a knee jerk reaction.....the point IS though, the NAACP is looking bad in my opinion....I think they TRIED to make a whole group of the Tea Party look bad for political gain...this is a clear case of "playing the race card" to demonize some folks who does not agree with thier agenda....

It seems like they also, along with themedia, have totally ignored the letter to the Congressional Black Caucas that the Tea Party Federation sent back in April, when they tried to clear the air about racism then.....




National Tea Party Federation
1801 Sawtelle Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA




April 24, 2010


Via Federal Express and Email

Chairwoman Barbara Lee
C/O Congressional Black Caucus
2444 Rayburn Building
Washington, DC 20515

Dear Chairwoman Lee,

The National Tea Party Federation (the "Federation") is comprised of approximately seventy-five local and national tea party groups, which collectively represent over 500,000 individual members.  The Federation was formed primarily to create a unified message and media response amongst key leadership and their affiliates.

The Federation does not and will not tolerate any form of racism, violence or hate speech; in fact, its charter expressly rejects the same, and its membership rules specifically require that each member and its leadership comport themselves accordingly.  It will not surprise you, therefore, that we treat each and every allegation of racism lodged against the Tea Party with the utmost concern, which is the reason we write you today.

As you are no doubt aware, on March 20, 2010, the Tea Party held a "Code Red Healthcare Rally" (the "Rally") on and around Capitol grounds in Washington D.C.  Both during and subsequent to the Rally, members of your Caucus, including Congressmen John Lewis, Andre Carson and Emanuel Cleaver, but in particular Congressmen Carson and Lewis, alleged that members of the assembled Tea Party crowd hurled racial epithets at them multiple times, i.e., the N-word, 15 times.

We believe to our core that racism and hate speech have no place in civil political discourse and debate - and, we are sure you agree.  So, it is no doubt in our mutual interest to drill down on this incident and identify those persons alleged to have used the N-word at the Rally, so that they can be appropriately isolated and personally condemned. 

Unfortunately, despite weeks of searching, we have been unable to find any evidence corroborating Mr. Lewis' and Mr. Carson's allegations.

We therefore turn to you, and respectfully request that you provide us with any and all evidence – video, audio, interviews, first-hand accounts, etc. – of the N-word being hurled against your members (or anyone else) during the Rally.  To this end, we also ask that you also make available to us Congressman Carson (or that you encourage Congressman Carson to make himself available to us) in order to be interviewed about his allegations.  In particular, we think it would help if Congressman Carson could resolve the discrepancies in his conflicting accounts of the location of the alleged incident.

You can fully expect that the Federation will condemn any instance in which corroborating evidence is produced that a Tea Party member hurled a racial epithet at anyone, much less Congressman Lewis. 

We thank you in advance for your prompt attention to this matter, and we look forward to your help getting to the bottom of this unfortunate incident.


Sincerely,


Mark A. Skoda
Chairman, The Memphis TEA Party
Founding Member, National Tea Party Federation


                                     
Jamie Radtke                                                                 Christina K Botteri
President, Richmond Tea Party                                        Founding Member, National Tea Party Federation
                                                                   
                                                                   


President & Founder, New Libert                         Robin Stublen
President & Founder, New Liberty Democrats                    Robin Stublen
Founding Member, National Tea Party Federation  Punta Gorda Tea Party
                       
                                                                   
                                                                   Mark K Lloyd
Jason W. Hoyt                                                                Mark K Lloyd
Founding Member, National Tea Party Federation  Chairman, Lynchburg Tea Party
Tea Party Patriots Live & Orlando Tea Party                      Founding Member, National Tea Party Federation


Maryetta Ables                   
Maryetta Ables                                                               Toby Marie Walker
Central West Virginia Tea Party                                       President, Waco Tea Party
                                                                   Chairwoman, Heart of Texas Tea Party Coalition
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Suzanne Pak                                                                  Lisa Feroli
Executive Director, Song of Truth Foundation                    Floridians Unite
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Maggie Hunt                                 Jeanie Coates
Maggie Hunt                                                                  Jeanie Coates
Organizer, The Santee East County TEA Party Group          Director, New Mexico Patriots
Founding Member, National Tea Party Federation
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: Palehorse on July 21, 2010, 03:57:23 PM
The United States Government (White House) has issued an official apology for the actions taken against Ms Sherrod, on behalf of the administration. The White House had no input into the process, but has stated the Secretary of Agriculture is re-evaluating the actions taken given the fact that they were initiated on incomplete information.

The NAACP has also issued an official apology to Ms Sherrod for their part in this kangaroo court, and states they were snookered by Fox News and Breitbart.

Ms Sherrod was subjected to unnecessary and irresponsible journalistic head hunting, as well as political skullduggery, and all for doing her job and doing it well.

You really need to watch the entire 35 minute speech to understand how dirty Breitbart and Fox news have done her, in the name of "getting even" or "scoring points" with an eye toward the furthering of a political agenda. (If I were her I'd sue them into oblivion). And until you do watch the entire speech, you are unable to arrive at an educated decision surrounding whether or not her speech was racist. It wasn't. It was a high level USDA official speaking about a group of farmers and using her life experiences to provide real life examples of the points she wanted to highlight. . . that racism is unacceptable.

There was NO racism present within Ms Sherrods speech, what so ever! Zero.

Fox news channel was all over the air calling for this woman's head on Monday! And their decision to run with the story without input form both sides, and without any investigation outside of the character assassination piece created by Breitbart, clearly demonstrates that Fox, despite their claims, is "not on it"!
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: Palehorse on July 21, 2010, 04:26:40 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on July 21, 2010, 03:57:23 PM
The United States Government (White House) has issued an official apology for the actions taken against Ms Sherrod, on behalf of the administration. The White House had no input into the process, but has stated the Secretary of Agriculture is reevaluating the actions taken given the fact that they were initiated on incomplete information.

The NAACP has also issued an official apology to Ms Sherrod for their part in this kangaroo court, and states they were snookered by Fox News and Breitbart.

Ms Sherrod was subjected to unnecessary and irresponsible journalistic head hunting, as well as political skulduggery, and all for doing her job and doing it well.

You really need to watch the entire 35 minute speech to understand how dirty Breitbart and Fox news have done her, in the name of "getting even" or "scoring points" with an eye toward the furthering of a political agenda. (If I were her I'd sue them into oblivion). And until you do watch the entire speech, you are unable to arrive at an educated decision surrounding whether or not her speech was racist. It wasn't. It was a high level USDA official speaking about a group of farmers and using her life experiences to provide real life examples of the points she wanted to highlight. . . that racism is unacceptable.

There was NO racism present within Ms Sherrods speech, what so ever! Zero.

Fox news channel was all over the air calling for this woman's head on Monday! And their decision to run with the story without input form both sides, and without any investigation outside of the character assassination piece created by Breitbart, clearly demonstrates that Fox, despite their claims, is "not on it"!

And just so we are clear here on Fox's role - Bill O'reilly is the one who called for her firing on his show, and Fox.Com ran the story, and was still running the story in a negative light late into the evening yesterday, and all based on Breitbart's cherry picking editing of a speech and subsequent racially motivated rantings, which were virtually cut and pasted by Fox News.com and O'reilly.

QuoteAll content taken from The O'Reilly Factor on Fox News Channel. Each weeknight by 6 PM EST a preview of that evening's show will be posted and then updated with additional information the following weekday by noon EST.

Talking Points Memo & Top Story
  Another Obama official forced out

    "As we told you last night, Department of Agriculture official Shirley Sherrod admitted that years ago she held back some government assistance to a white farmer because of the color of his skin. After hearing that I said 'Ms. Sherrod must resign immediately,' and that's exactly what happened. But if you were watching the network news last night you would know nothing about the story. Once again, an embarrassing moment for the Obama administration was not covered. In the big picture this is a small story; every administration has had employees do dumb things. But why the news blackout when things become unpleasant for the Obama administration? The answer has to be bias - the establishment press tilts left and is reluctant to do damage to a very liberal president. There's no other reason to spike stories that bring millions of viewers to Fox News. You would think the other TV news operations, all of whom are not doing well, would want to attract that large audience. Apparently they don't."
(NOTE: this story is STILL on his web site!)

http://www.billoreilly.com/show?action=viewTVShow&showID=2649 (http://www.billoreilly.com/show?action=viewTVShow&showID=2649)

Breitbart is an idiot and his reputation for such skulduggery is well known. He carries zero credibility and while Faux news has never possessed any credibility with me personally, they carry even less for their role in this unjust undertaking.

NEVER believe anything you hear or read on Fox News or their affiliates. EVER. They create stories without confirming the facts, without investigating, and present opinions as facts. They manufacture "evidence" and this whole fiasco is a good example of how lethargic and unprofessional they are.

Here is a woman who has experienced first hand, the worst humanity has to offer surrounding racism. Her father killed by the white racist group the KKK, had crosses burned in front of their house, had their homes and property taken away from them, and still she is able to rise above it all and understand what really matters. She is able to change her way of thinking, her approach to her work, and help ALL who require her assistance. And then she is unfairly subjected to this kind of racial political underhandedness! And still she exhibits exemplary behavior and decorum in bringing the truth to light and exposing this whole situation for what it is - racism.

I admire this woman for her dedication and stamina, as well as her ability to persevere. I sincerely hope that she will take her position back if it is offered to her, (and I believe it should be), because our government NEEDS people like her doing the work that needs doing in this country!
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: The Troll on July 21, 2010, 04:41:20 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on July 21, 2010, 04:26:40 PMAnd just so we are clear here on Fox's role - Bill O'reilly is the one who called for her firing on his show, and Fox.Com ran the story, and was still running the story in a negative light late into the evening yesterday, and all based on Breitbart's cherry picking editing of a speech and subsequent racially motivated rantings, which were virtually cut and pasted by Fox News.com and O'reilly. Breitbart is an idiot and his reputation for such skulduggery is well known. He carries zero credibility and while Faux news has never possessed any credibility with me personally, they carry even less for their role in this unjust undertaking. NEVER believe anything you hear or read on Fox News or their affiliates. EVER. They create stories without confirming the facts, without investigating, and present opinions as facts. They manufacture "evidence" and this whole fiasco is a good example of how lethargic and unprofessional they are. Here is a woman who has experienced first hand, the worst humanity has to offer surrounding racism. Her father killed by the white racist group the KKK, had crosses burned in front of their house, had their homes and property taken away from them, and still she is able to rise above it all and understand what really matters. She is able to change her way of thinking, her approach to her work, and help ALL who require her assistance. And then she is unfairly subjected to this kind of racial political underhandedness! And still she exhibits exemplary behavior and decorum in bringing the truth to light and exposing this whole situation for what it is - racism. I admire this woman for her dedication and stamina, as well as her ability to persevere. I sincerely hope that she will take her position back if it is offered to her, (and I believe it should be), because our government NEEDS people like her doing the work that needs doing in this country!

  I think it was a week or so when I was ranting about Fox, I said, if they didn't have any news to report they made it up. Boy o'boy was I right.  And :chick: Henry and :me: defends them.  Go figure. :wacko:
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: Palehorse on July 21, 2010, 04:44:24 PM
Breaking news UPDATE:

The Secretary of Agriculture has just officially apologized to Ms Sherrod, and offered her another position within the USDA.

Ms Sherrod states she will take a few days to think about it!

He is now confirming that he and he alone made this decision in haste, and no one from the white house was involved or communicated with anyone at USDA about this issue. He publicly apologized and expressed his regret for failing to take the time to properly and fully investigate. Ms Cook "may have indicated to Ms Sherrod that a WH staffer was notified, but this was my decision and I overreacted and improperly acted."
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: The Troll on July 21, 2010, 06:12:59 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on July 21, 2010, 04:44:24 PMBreaking news UPDATE: The Secretary of Agriculture has just officially apologized to Ms Sherrod, and offered her another position within the USDA. Ms Sherrod states she will take a few days to think about it! He is now confirming that he and he alone made this decision in haste, and no one from the white house was involved or communicated with anyone at USDA about this issue. He publicly apologized and expressed his regret for failing to take the time to properly and fully investigate. Ms Cook "may have indicated to Ms Sherrod that a WH staffer was notified, but this was my decision and I overreacted and improperly acted."

  Yea, Yea   :bliss:  :bliss:  :bliss:       Now sue the bastards that made the slanderous tape and the  used used the slanderous tape.  Make it hurt.  I think she got them the balls.  :smash:  :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: Palehorse on July 21, 2010, 06:43:24 PM
She has got them by the short hairs at a minimum. I may be wrong here, but I honestly don't think she'll do anything to anyone over it. This woman displays admirable grace under fire, and I sincerely think that her whole intention with all of this was to get the record straight and the truth out there - period. She has accomplished that without question.

I'll be surprised if she files suit against anyone in this case, but if she does I cannot blame her. If it were me I'd throw the bastards under the same bus they tried to throw me under, and take them to the bank in the process. But I am not her, so I suppose we'll have to wait and see.

It sounds as if the USDA wants her to take a larger role because of all she has been through and her experiences. I hope whatever path she chooses that it brings her happiness and fulfillment in her professional and personal life. She deserves it!  :yes:

I'd really love to see her go on to bigger and better things over all of this. I'd love to see this initiative that has tried to tear her down be used as a ladder to help her reach a larger audience; and be afforded the opportunity to spread her message to those throughout the country who so desperately need to benefit from it.  8)

Life needs to throw this lady a case of t-bones, and I hope she gets a truckload of them!

(And Mr President: Know you are busy but I really think a quick call to this woman, or a half an hour of face time in the rose garden would really be a nice gesture!)
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: Palehorse on July 21, 2010, 07:51:39 PM
. . .Breitbart told CNN's "John King USA" on Tuesday that releasing the video was "not about Shirley Sherrod."
"This was about the NAACP attacking the Tea Party, and this is showing racism at an NAACP event," he said. "I did not ask for Shirley Sherrod to be fired.". . .


http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/07/21/agriculture.employee.usda/index.html?hpt=T2 (http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/07/21/agriculture.employee.usda/index.html?hpt=T2)

Yeah Breitbart. . . :rolleyes: And since there is no racism within the NAACP you thought you'd just manufacture some you friggin jackass!  :mad: :mad: :mad:

I hope this woman sues you for everything you have got, because YOUR words, YOUR actions, in the name of the Tea Party, drove all this bullshit that happened to this woman!  :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: kimmi on July 21, 2010, 08:05:56 PM
Show her the money!!  She needs a million dollars!!   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: The Troll on July 21, 2010, 10:42:08 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on July 21, 2010, 06:43:24 PMShe has got them by the short hairs at a minimum. I may be wrong here, but I honestly don't think she'll do anything to anyone over it. This woman displays admirable grace under fire, and I sincerely think that her whole intention with all of this was to get the record straight and the truth out there - period. She has accomplished that without question. I'll be surprised if she files suit against anyone in this case, but if she does I cannot blame her. If it were me I'd throw the bastards under the same bus they tried to throw me under, and take them to the bank in the process. But I am not her, so I suppose we'll have to wait and see. It sounds as if the USDA wants her to take a larger role because of all she has been through and her experiences. I hope whatever path she chooses that it brings her happiness and fulfillment in her professional and personal life. She deserves it! :yes: I'd really love to see her go on to bigger and better things over all of this. I'd love to see this initiative that has tried to tear her down be used as a ladder to help her reach a larger audience; and be afforded the opportunity to spread her message to those throughout the country who so desperately need to benefit from it. 8) Life needs to throw this lady a case of t-bones, and I hope she gets a truckload of them! (And Mr President: Know you are busy but I really think a quick call to this woman, or a half an hour of face time in the rose garden would really be a nice gesture!)

Bill O'reilly sues Al Frankin and lost and a woman sued Bill O'reilly for sexual harassment and old Bill folded like a empty suit.  I think if she sued Fox and the asshole that started this, they would just fold and pay off with out going to court.  I sure would to see her do it.  She getting close to retirement age.
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: LOsborne on July 29, 2010, 07:01:14 PM
Lookee here, lookee here, lookee here!

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2010/jul/29/ousted-usda-employee-sherrod-plans-sue-blogger/

YYAAAAYYYYY!!!!
Title: Re: Shirley Sherrod - Racist or Scapegoat?
Post by: Palehorse on July 29, 2010, 07:08:21 PM
Quote from: LOsborne on July 29, 2010, 07:01:14 PM
Lookee here, lookee here, lookee here!

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2010/jul/29/ousted-usda-employee-sherrod-plans-sue-blogger/

YYAAAAYYYYY!!!!

I hope she takes his sheets from him too!  :yes: :icon_twisted: