Bill would give president emergency control of Internet... (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10320096-38.html)
Internet companies and civil liberties groups were alarmed this spring when a U.S. Senate bill proposed handing the White House the power to disconnect private-sector computers from the Internet.
They're not much happier about a revised version that aides to Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a West Virginia Democrat, have spent months drafting behind closed doors. CNET News has obtained a copy of the 55-page draft of S.773 (excerpt), which still appears to permit the president to seize temporary control of private-sector networks during a so-called cybersecurity emergency.
The new version would allow the president to "declare a cybersecurity emergency" relating to "non-governmental" computer networks and do what's necessary to respond to the threat. Other sections of the proposal include a federal certification program for "cybersecurity professionals," and a requirement that certain computer systems and networks in the private sector be managed by people who have been awarded that license.
"I think the redraft, while improved, remains troubling due to its vagueness," said Larry Clinton, president of the Internet Security Alliance, which counts representatives of Verizon, Verisign, Nortel, and Carnegie Mellon University on its board. "It is unclear what authority Sen. Rockefeller thinks is necessary over the private sector. Unless this is clarified, we cannot properly analyze, let alone support the bill."
Representatives of other large Internet and telecommunications companies expressed concerns about the bill in a teleconference with Rockefeller's aides this week, but were not immediately available for interviews on Thursday.
There are just waaaaaay too many things being drafted behind closed doors for my liking. They didn't like Bush doing things which weren't even close to this so why is Obama getting a free pass?
Jay was governor of wva once. he was a dumbass then too
"The sky is falling, the sky is falling!"
C'mon, ya'll, even the Chinese can't successfully censor the internet.
The censoring began at 5 p.m. local time on Tuesday as access to sites was blocked, though users could still reportedly reach some of them through proxies, VPNs and third-party desktop clients.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/06/china-censors-internet-before-tiananmen-square-anniversary/
And how ya gonna disconnect everybody in these days of Wi-Fi?
But do we really want to find out? Why is he wanting to do this in the first place? <--------Shouldn't that be the question asked?
If Bush had done this under the guise of protecting you little candy-asses from terrorism, you'd have had your tongues so far up his butt, he couldn't have squeaked out a fart.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 31, 2009, 08:39:42 AM
If Bush had done this under the guise of protecting you little candy-asses from terrorism, you'd have had your tongues so far up his butt, he couldn't have squeaked out a fart.
Candy asses? So now we're candy asses for not wanting buildings in the US blown up? Bush wanted to protect us from foreign terrorists not from people voicing opinions differing from the current administration. Bush has nothing to do with what's going on now. Quit trying to deflect from the current issue.
Quote from: me on August 31, 2009, 09:45:00 AM
Candy asses? So now we're candy asses for not wanting buildings in the US blown up? Bush wanted to protect us from foreign terrorists not from people voicing opinions differing from the current administration. Bush has nothing to do with what's going on now. Quit trying to deflect from the current issue.
No, you moron, you're candy-asses for allowing an act of terrorism to permanently alter the American way of life and for being willing to abandon our Constitution for the illusion of security. You can either live in an open society or you can be protected from terrorism...you can't have it both ways. And if Bush had really wanted to protect us from foreign terrorists, he had all of the information at his disposal to do so before 9/11...he did nothing.
Wow, slow down. You are making typo's.
you missed one. :wink:
Where?
You fixed it. Aren't you glad that I didn't do any quoting this time? Makes me look like I don't know what I'm talking about, except for the little notice at the bottom that says you edited the post. LOL
Shhhhh... :wink:
That's strange I didn't notice any of my constitutional rights being trampled on then like what is happening now. At this point you can't even disagree with the administration without being labeled a terrorist.
Do you live under power lines?
You don't understand? I believe she is saying that me's brain is scrambled. :eek:
Quote from: pariann on August 31, 2009, 03:09:46 PM
You don't understand? I believe she is saying that me's brain is scrambled. :eek:
Yes, I was agreeing...my WTF was in reference to me's response. How else does one respond to something that inane?
Inane? You mean there is no list of veterans who might pose a risk or people who don't agree with the president being worked up. No one has been asked to report their neighbors or friends if they disagree? Hum, silly me I guess I'm mistaken.
Quote from: me on August 31, 2009, 03:18:52 PM
Inane? You mean there is no list of veterans who might pose a risk or people who don't agree with the president being worked up.
As is typical of you, you're twisting the facts (lying) to fit your own little BS view of the world. Maybe you should read the report before you open your trap and spew. So do you think people like Timothy McVeigh. Terry Nichols, Lee Harvey Oswald and Charles Whitman shouldn't be watched because they're veterans?
QuoteNo one has been asked to report their neighbors or friends if they disagree? Hum, silly me I guess I'm mistaken.
No, you're not mistaken; you're lying...that isn't what was said at all. Funny how you throw up this crap as examples but are perfectly fine with Bush's 8 years of illegal surveillance.
And I say again. Our buildings weren't continuing to be being blown up were they?
Why would Bill give control of the internet to anyone else? :confused: :icon_twisted:
I've been wondering all this time, Bill who?
Prolly Gates! :biggrin:
He did cross my mind.
Quote from: me on August 31, 2009, 05:45:46 PM
And I say again. Our buildings weren't continuing to be being blown up were they?
I know it's a waste of my time to try to explain cause and effect to you but if Obama takes over the internet and no buildings get blown up, will that mean it's a good thing?
That just means if you don't live close you won't know about it. :razz:
Quote from: me on September 01, 2009, 11:07:47 AM
That just means if you don't live close you won't know about it. :razz:
Is he taking over the phones and the TV stations as well?
LOL, I thought of that!
Quote from: Exterminator on September 01, 2009, 11:32:55 AM
Is he taking over the phones and the TV stations as well?
Think about what you just posted Ex. Think real hard.
Quote from: me on September 01, 2009, 11:47:38 AM
Think about what you just posted Ex. Think real hard.
I thought real hard and all I can come up with is that you're a paranoid freak. :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 01, 2009, 12:24:03 PM
I thought real hard and all I can come up with is that you're a paranoid freak. :biggrin:
I think you had better do some more checking on proposed bills and think some more about what you posted.
Quote from: me on September 01, 2009, 01:47:42 PM
I think you had better do some more checking on proposed bills and think some more about what you posted.
Nope, you're a paranoid freak alright.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 01, 2009, 02:15:26 PM
Nope, you're a paranoid freak alright.
Nope, just happen to be a little more observant than you. :wink:
Quote from: me on September 01, 2009, 02:17:40 PM
Nope, just happen to be a little more observant than you. :wink:
You're deluding yourself into believing you're something you're not.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 01, 2009, 02:35:44 PM
You're deluding yourself into believing you're something you're not.
No more than you are.... :razz:
Quote from: me on August 30, 2009, 12:01:50 PM
But do we really want to find out? Why is he wanting to do this in the first place? <--------Shouldn't that be the question asked?
He who? There is more than one Senator and some of them happen to be female.
Quote from: kimmi on September 01, 2009, 04:42:50 PM
He who? There is more than one Senator and some of them happen to be female.
Obama not a Senator
Quote from: me on September 01, 2009, 05:45:16 PM
Obama not a Senator
Presidents don't write bills.
I'm just a bill. Yes I'm only a bill and I'm sitting here on Capitol Hill...
She brought out School House Rock. :eek: She must be a teacher!!
I remember it from Saturday Morning Cartoons!!
Three is the magic number! Yes it is!
oh yeah..you were actually a kid back then weren't you? I was on my way to adulthood.....damnit.
Quote from: kimmi on September 01, 2009, 09:24:45 PM
Presidents don't write bills.
I'm just a bill. Yes I'm only a bill and I'm sitting here on Capitol Hill...
I think some jerk from WV suggested it actually.
Then don't go all "He!" on this if you are pointing fingers at the wrong person!
Quote from: kimmi on September 02, 2009, 07:09:10 AM
Then don't go all "He!" on this if you are pointing fingers at the wrong person!
What do you expect with these people; don't you know that everything is Obama's fault? This morning, they were testing the fire alarms in our building...more of Obama's fear-mongering. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 28, 2009, 08:52:26 PM
Bill would give president emergency control of Internet... (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10320096-38.html)
Internet companies and civil liberties groups were alarmed this spring when a U.S. Senate bill proposed handing the White House the power to disconnect private-sector computers from the Internet.
They're not much happier about a revised version that aides to Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a West Virginia Democrat, have spent months drafting behind closed doors. CNET News has obtained a copy of the 55-page draft of S.773 (excerpt), which still appears to permit the president to seize temporary control of private-sector networks during a so-called cybersecurity emergency.
The new version would allow the president to "declare a cybersecurity emergency" relating to "non-governmental" computer networks and do what's necessary to respond to the threat. Other sections of the proposal include a federal certification program for "cybersecurity professionals," and a requirement that certain computer systems and networks in the private sector be managed by people who have been awarded that license.
"I think the redraft, while improved, remains troubling due to its vagueness," said Larry Clinton, president of the Internet Security Alliance, which counts representatives of Verizon, Verisign, Nortel, and Carnegie Mellon University on its board. "It is unclear what authority Sen. Rockefeller thinks is necessary over the private sector. Unless this is clarified, we cannot properly analyze, let alone support the bill."
Representatives of other large Internet and telecommunications companies expressed concerns about the bill in a teleconference with Rockefeller's aides this week, but were not immediately available for interviews on Thursday.
First post.
How many computers do you think are sitting in people's homes at this very moment on and idling, connected to the internet and completely unattended?
So let's set up a hypothetical situation for you, me. We already know that hackers have the ability to commandeer other people's computers and use them for malicious purposes and I can tell you from experience that many individual PC's can be logically linked together over the internet and can work together in concert toward a common goal, creating what is effectively a very powerful virtual super computer. What if hackers or computer experts from a hostile country or group used this technology and were able to infiltrate the country's infrastructure or defense systems and the only way to stop them from wreaking havoc with our electrical grid, nuclear power plants, sewage treatment facilities, traffic control systems, air traffic control, etc. was to limit the computing power available to them to accomplish this task by disconnecting your machine and mine and millions of others just like them? Do you think it would be a good idea?
Quote from: Exterminator on September 02, 2009, 11:07:30 AM
How many computers do you think are sitting in people's homes at this very moment on and idling, connected to the internet and completely unattended?
So let's set up a hypothetical situation for you, me. We already know that hackers have the ability to commandeer other people's computers and use them for malicious purposes and I can tell you from experience that many individual PC's can be logically linked together over the internet and can work together in concert toward a common goal, creating what is effectively a very powerful virtual super computer. What if hackers or computer experts from a hostile country or group used this technology and were able to infiltrate the country's infrastructure or defense systems and the only way to stop them from wreaking havoc with our electrical grid, nuclear power plants, sewage treatment facilities, traffic control systems, air traffic control, etc. was to limit the computing power available to them to accomplish this task by disconnecting your machine and mine and millions of others just like them? Do you think it would be a good idea?
Very good point. We already have the power to shut down an ISP that is allowing a Denial of Service attack to be routed through their servers.
What's the big deal?
I'd just hate it if I were in the middle of streaming a really good movie!
Quote from: pariann on September 02, 2009, 11:34:05 AM
I'd just hate it if I were in the middle of streaming a really good movie!
Wouldn't matter if the power goes out.
I'm anticipating the government shutting down my internet before loss of power would occur.
At any rate, I'd have my choice of who to be mad at, and it wouldn't be me for not paying my internet or utility bill, for once. :biggrin:
Quote from: pariann on September 02, 2009, 11:36:44 AM
I'm anticipating the government shutting down my internet before loss of power would occur.
At any rate, I'd have my choice of who to be mad at, and it wouldn't be me for not paying my internet or utility bill, for once. :biggrin:
Fortunately, my crossword puzzles are packaged as a Flash application so I'd be able to finish. :razz:
Tell me you have a laptop with an excellent battery. :wink:
Oops, did I ask that out loud?
LOL...backup batteries!
Quote from: Exterminator on September 02, 2009, 11:07:30 AM
How many computers do you think are sitting in people's homes at this very moment on and idling, connected to the internet and completely unattended?
So let's set up a hypothetical situation for you, me. We already know that hackers have the ability to commandeer other people's computers and use them for malicious purposes and I can tell you from experience that many individual PC's can be logically linked together over the internet and can work together in concert toward a common goal, creating what is effectively a very powerful virtual super computer. What if hackers or computer experts from a hostile country or group used this technology and were able to infiltrate the country's infrastructure or defense systems and the only way to stop them from wreaking havoc with our electrical grid, nuclear power plants, sewage treatment facilities, traffic control systems, air traffic control, etc. was to limit the computing power available to them to accomplish this task by disconnecting your machine and mine and millions of others just like them? Do you think it would be a good idea?
There is already something in place for that. Why take it any further. If this had been Bush's idea ya'll would have been screaming like banshee's.
Quote from: me on September 02, 2009, 01:18:40 PM
There is already something in place for that. Why take it any further. If this had been Bush's idea ya'll would have been screaming like banshee's.
And you know this how, oh computer genius?