MUMBAI (AFP) – Indian astrologers are predicting violence and turmoil across the world as a result of this week's total solar eclipse, which the superstitious and religious view as a sign of potential doom.
But astronomers, scientists and secularists are trying to play down claims of evil portent in connection with Wednesday's natural spectacle, when the moon will come between the Earth and the sun, completely obscuring the sun.
In Hindu mythology, the two demons Rahu and Ketu are said to "swallow" the sun during eclipses, snuffing out its life-giving light and causing food to become inedible and water undrinkable.
Pregnant women are advised to stay indoors to prevent their babies developing birth defects, while prayers, fasting and ritual bathing, particularly in holy rivers, are encouraged.
Shivani Sachdev Gour, a gynaecologist at the Fortis Hospital in New Delhi, said a number of expectant mothers scheduled for caesarian deliveries on July 22 had asked to change the date.
"This is a belief deeply rooted in Indian society. Couples are willing to do anything to ensure that the baby is not born on that day," Gour said.
Astrologers have predicted a rise in communal and regional violence in the days following the eclipse, particularly in India, China and other Southeast Asian nations where it can be seen on Wednesday morning.
Mumbai astrologer Raj Kumar Sharma predicted "some sort of attack by (Kashmiri separatists) Jaish-e-Mohammad or Al-Qaeda on Indian soil" and a devastating natural disaster in Southeast Asia.
An Indian political leader could be killed, he said, and tension between the West and Iran is likely to increase, escalating into possible US military action after September 9, when fiery Saturn moves from Leo into Virgo.
"The last 200 years, whenever Saturn has gone into Virgo there has been either a world war or a mini world war," he told AFP.
It is not just in India that some are uneasy about what will transpire because of the eclipse.
In ancient China they were often associated with disasters, the death of an emperor or other dark events, and similar superstitions persist.
"The probability for unrest or war to take place in years when a solar eclipse happens is 95 percent," announced an article that attracted a lot of hits on the popular Chinese web portal Baidu.com.
Sanal Edamaruku, president of the Indian Rationalist Association, dismissed such doomsday predictions.
"Primarily, what we see with all these soothsayers and astrologers is that they're looking for opportunities to enhance their business with predictions of danger and calamity," he told AFP.
"They have been very powerful in India but over the last decade they have been in systematic decline."
Astronomers and scientists are also working to educate the public about the eclipse.
Travel firm Cox and Kings has chartered a Boeing 737-700 aircraft to give people the chance to see the eclipse from 41,000 feet (12,500 metres).
Experts will be on board to explain it to passengers, some of whom have paid 79,000 rupees (1,600 dollars) for a "sun-side" seat on the three-hour flight from New Delhi.
The eclipse's shadow is expected to pass over the aircraft at 15 times the speed of sound (Mach 15), said Ajay Talwar, president of the SPACE Group of companies that promotes science and astronomy.
"It's coming in the middle of the monsoon season. On the ground, there's a 40 percent chance of seeing it in India. On the aircraft you have almost a 90 percent chance of seeing the eclipse," he added.
Siva Prasad Tata, who runs the Astro Jyoti website, straddles the two worlds.
"There's no need to get too alarmed about the eclipse, they are a natural phenomenon," the astrologer told AFP.
But he added: "During the period of the eclipse, the opposite attracting forces are very, very powerful. From a spiritual point of view, this is a wonderful time to do any type of worship.
"It will bring about good results, much more than on an ordinary day."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090720/sc_afp/scienceastronomyeclipseasiatourismsuperstition
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It's amazing in this day and age that people still hold to beliefs so clearly outdated and not grounded in any basis of fact.
Quote from: Locutus on July 20, 2009, 06:19:32 PM
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It's amazing in this day and age that people still hold to beliefs so clearly outdated and not grounded in any basis of fact.
You shouldn't be amazed by that, in this country they are called "republicans" and "democrats"! :biggrin:
I got another group too, but in deference to HH, I'll keep my lip zipped. :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on July 21, 2009, 12:55:22 AM
I got another group too, but in deference to HH, I'll keep my lip zipped. :biggrin:
I cannot imagine what group that'd be. . . :biggrin:
Do not fear, I can make the sun re-appear. All it takes is donations (large or small, but larger IS better) to the 4-4-2 restoration fund, and your lives will return to normal. Do nothing, and you will remain in darkness for eternity! :icon_twisted:
Quote from: Locutus on July 21, 2009, 12:55:22 AM
I got another group too, but in deference to HH, I'll keep my lip zipped. :biggrin:
yeah, I know.....them crazy, wacky atheists!!.. :razz:
Quote from: Mr442 on July 21, 2009, 02:07:34 PM
Do not fear, I can make the sun re-appear. All it takes is donations (large or small, but larger IS better) to the 4-4-2 restoration fund, and your lives will return to normal. Do nothing, and you will remain in darkness for eternity! :icon_twisted:
;D
(WHY, didn't I think of this!!.. :spooked: :yes: )
Quote from: Palehorse on July 21, 2009, 01:51:03 AM
I cannot imagine what group that'd be. . . :biggrin:
Of course you can't! ;D
Here's some satellite imagery of the total eclipse in Asia yesterday. I thought it was pretty cool.
(http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/2009/rwc/20090722/nh_mtsat_anim.gif)
Quote from: Locutus on July 20, 2009, 06:19:32 PM
:eek: :eek:
It's amazing in this day and age that people still hold to beliefs so clearly outdated and not grounded in any basis of fact.
Think about it, it's India, a country with millions who live in poverty and little or no schooling. I know there are some very well educated people (I even know a few) but many are not educated.
Quote from: Anne on July 22, 2009, 12:22:03 PM
Think about it, it's India, a country with millions who live in poverty and little or no schooling. I know there are some very well educated people (I even know a few) but many are not educated.
Unfortunately, there are many uneducated, and more worrisome, educated people in this country that believe in garbage similar to this without one shred of scientific evidence to back any of it up. I'm far more worried about those people than I am about the people mentioned in the above article.
I don't know where you live but I don't know anyone who believes an eclipse is some kind of a supernatural happening.
Quote from: Anne on July 22, 2009, 03:25:48 PM
I don't know where you live but I don't know anyone who believes an eclipse is some kind of a supernatural happening.
I guess the point is that at one time belief that it was supernatural was the norm for a large portion of the earth's population. Many used such things to their advantage, claiming a "power" in order to sway humankind. . . That such still goes on today is incomprehensible to most of civilization, and yet it persists in some areas of the world even today. . .
There is even STILL people out there who actually think that this Country was founded by secular people, who came here to start a government to keep folks who DO have faith in God OUT of ALL Governmental affairs...... :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 23, 2009, 07:31:22 AM
There is even STILL people out there who actually think that this Country was founded by secular people, who came here to start a government to keep folks who DO have faith in God OUT of ALL Governmental affairs...... :yes:
Actually, the first permanent English colony here was founded strictly as a capitalist venture.
Quote from: Bo D on July 23, 2009, 08:19:23 AM
Actually, the first permanent English colony here was founded strictly as a capitalist venture.
How did that work out for them, do you know?
DISCLAIMER: I am not implying in any way that they would have done better with religion-oriented compact.
Quote from: Bo D on July 23, 2009, 08:19:23 AM
Actually, the first permanent English colony here was founded strictly as a capitalist venture.
Was that Jamestown?
Quote from: LOsborne on July 23, 2009, 08:21:44 AM
How did that work out for them, do you know?
DISCLAIMER: I am not implying in any way that they would have done better with religion-oriented compact.
It worked out very well for the investors back in England. Not so well for the colonists.
Quote from: pariann on July 23, 2009, 10:13:56 AM
Was that Jamestown?
Yes! I see you remembered your American History! :biggrin:
One of the FEW things I remember. LOL
Quote from: Palehorse on July 23, 2009, 05:11:06 AM
. . That such still goes on today is incomprehensible to most of civilization, and yet it persists in some areas of the world even today. . .
What's also laughable is that chief among those who find it incomprehensible are those who believe in a deity (read God). They think he's active in the world today, and that he responds to their personal prayers. They think everyone else is nuts; but they don't consider themselves as such. :rolleyes: