talk about unconstituional..........where is the outrage?.....
the dems was the ones that was incompetent for passing a bill that allows AIG bonuses...
THEN they decided to tax (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D971964O1&show_article=1) these guys...95%....to get back the mistake THEY made...
where does the BUCK STOP!!?? is Mr. Obama going to allow THIS?
everybody worried about the Bush administration..........THIS is something to worry about.....
the house passed this 328-93....in lightning speed!....folks, THIS is what I do not like about this administration....unless he steps in here and does the right thing.
Are there 328 democrats in the house now?
What exactly is he supposed to step in and do?
Quote from: kimmi on March 19, 2009, 03:34:32 PM
Are there 328 democrats in the house now?
What exactly is he supposed to step in and do?
there are 254 dems in there..........and HE is the President, he just said the BUCK stops with him.....he needs to address this...because, THIS is a mistake clearly made by Dodd and company...and NOW, they want to throw a TAX and recoup HIS mistake....
this is just wrong...period :no:
You have a HE and a HIS in your response but I'm not sure which "he" you are talking about. I'm not clear as to what you have a problem with or who it is exactly you have a problem with.
For crying out loud...you complain that they got the bonuses and now you're complaining because they're taking them back. You just like to bitch.
Quote from: kimmi on March 19, 2009, 04:17:01 PM
You have a HE and a HIS in your response but I'm not sure which "he" you are talking about. I'm not clear as to what you have a problem with or who it is exactly you have a problem with.
sorry kimmi....it is a little wordy....but my biggest problem is with Dodd...but, I think Obama has every chance in the world to do the RIGHT thing and speak out against this.....
let me ask you...first of all, can you see where Dodd is wrong, and where congress is wrong for passing such a bill, because of their very own mistake?...
I don't like a bill that over taxes bonuses but it is like that now anyway. I guess I would be a little more pissed if my bonus was more than $1500 a year when EARNED.
They all screwed up. Let them sort it out. As long as they aren't knocking at my door to buck up, I don't care how they fix it.
Well Henry like Nancy Pelosi said, they got elected and they can do what ever they want and there is nothing we can do about it...At least until election time rolls around again. :wink: Before ya'll go gettin' in an uproar I'm talking about those idiots in Congress not your wonderful savior....and yes I'm including some Republicans in that too. :razz:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 19, 2009, 04:20:06 PM
For crying out loud...you complain that they got the bonuses and now you're complaining because they're taking them back. You just like to bitch.
CONGRESS SCREWED UP...yeah, I think the bonuses may be wrong...but that deal was already done....
and the way congress is trying to fix it is wrong.....let's just pose a tax on whatever we want for as much as we want with NO oversight committee or anything....c'mon EX, you know this is wrong.
When did Pelosi say those words?
Quote from: me on March 19, 2009, 04:23:31 PM
Well Henry like Nancy Pelosi said, they got elected and they can do what ever they want and there is nothing we can do about it...At least until election time rolls around again. :wink: Before ya'll go gettin' in an uproar I'm talking about those idiots in Congress not your wonderful savior....and yes I'm including some Republicans in that too. :razz:
exactly!....me
kimmi, so you don't care how unethical congress gets, just so it does not come out of your pocketbook?
Henry all of government is freaking unethical!! Why should this shock you? Why does anything that government, big business execs, billionaires, foreigners, etc... surprise you? Everyone who has money has their hand in someone elses pocket. Until us poor folks stop fighting the my rich guy is better than your rich guy fight, it isn't going to change.
Quote from: kimmi on March 19, 2009, 04:28:56 PM
Henry all of government is freaking unethical!! Why should this shock you? Why does anything that government, big business execs, billionaires, foreigners, etc... surprise you? Everyone who has money has their hand in someone elses pocket. Until us poor folks stop fighting the my rich guy is better than your rich guy fight, it isn't going to change.
so when they do something wrong or we disagree with, we should just sit back and say...oh well?
NOPE, I am going to be on it like stink like poo....Bush was attacked for EVERYTHING...I'm not just talking about Obama here.......I'm sick to death of congress.....republicans AND democrats....
THIS IS WRONG!..i'm just pointing out my opinion on what is happening...and I will continue to do so, when I see it.
So by bitching on a forum you are doing something? I'm sorry that is about as useful as herpes when it comes to fixing the economic situation that the US is in. Have fun with that and I hope you see results.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 19, 2009, 04:23:36 PM
....c'mon EX, you know this is wrong.
I have no problem with it whatsoever. Those people on Wall Street produce nothing and their greed is the direct cause of our economic problems. Giving the taxpayers' money to the very people responsible for abusing the securities market and causing AIG's collapse is obscene and I don't care what they have to do to get it back.
Quote from: kimmi on March 19, 2009, 04:35:57 PM
So by bitching on a forum you are doing something? I'm sorry that is about as useful as herpes when it comes to fixing the economic situation that the US is in. Have fun with that and I hope you see results.
isn't that what MOST people do on here?...is bitch?...it was like that for the last eight years.....funny, now that people have legitmate reasons to bitch about a president of a political party...it is just we are "bitchin"? ;D
I have been on this forum for a long time now...why are you offended now?...and btw...I am having fun...that is why i am on this forum.... :yes:
Go take your Motrin. :biggrin:
Why in the world would you think I'm offended. I'm not.
My point is, don't question whether I'm just going to sit and let things happen when your only solution to this outrage is to sit on a forum and bitch. Yes that is what these places are for.
so when they do something wrong or we disagree with, we should just sit back and say...oh well?
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 19, 2009, 05:14:38 PM
.....funny, now that people have legitmate reasons to bitch about a president of a political party...it is just we are "bitchin"? ;D
The fact that you couldn't find a "legitimate reason" to bitch for the past 8 years speaks volumes about why you finally found your voice.
In other words, considering the fact that our past president and co is to blame for the state our country is in now, economically, diplomatically, and physically, then your only reason to bitch now is because you're determined to find fault, no matter what happens during Obama's presidency.
I'll save myself some time :biggrin: That goes for you too, me, gardengirl, mcgonser and doc :yes:
Quote from: kimmi on March 19, 2009, 04:25:11 PM
When did Pelosi say those words?
Don't hold your breath :rolleyes:
A few months ago when she was talking to some Republicans who didn't agree with her about something she wanted left in a bill. She was on one of her the people wanted change so they elected us so nanananana trips she takes quite often.
...you were there or do you have a source?
I would think in order to be privy to that conversation, she must have been there. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on March 19, 2009, 10:30:04 PM
...you were there or do you have a source?
It was on the news a few months ago and, no, I'm not gonna go diggin'.
Quote from: me on March 19, 2009, 11:07:06 PM
It was on the news a few months ago and, no, I'm not gonna go diggin'.
Of course not because it doesn't exist.
You don't have to, I already know the source and it wasn't Pelosi.
Quote from: me on March 19, 2009, 11:07:06 PM
It was on the news a few months ago and, no, I'm not gonna go diggin'.
Hint! It was the same guy who wrote that grapes can't grow in England.
Hum, let me see. She didn't say it but, even though it's unconstitutional, they're going to start taxing at a 90% rate for those bonuses that were given by AGI. One example of, "we can do what we want". Actually it's any bonuses "they" feel is excessive given by any company that receives TARP money. These are contracted bonuses that they knew existed and should have dealt with them before this TARP money was given not now after the fact. No, those companies should not have given those bonuses but that is no way to rectify something that was an oversight on their part to begin with. There is no thought behind anything that's going on in Congress lately it's just we have to get this passed before people find out what's really in it. Seems to be total chaos and self serving and they aren't even trying to hide it anymore. Meetings behind closed doors, bills being rushed through and Obama being pressured into signing them and him just grinning and signing taking their word for what's in them and us finding out after the fact. Don't give me that "but Bush" crap. If he had been letting this kind of crap go on you all would have been screaming like banshee's and you know it.
Quote from: me on March 20, 2009, 09:22:30 AM
Hum, let me see. She didn't say it but, even though it's unconstitutional, they're going to start taxing at a 90% rate for those bonuses that were given by AGI.
I didn't realize that the Supreme Court had already ruled on this.
Quote from: me on March 20, 2009, 09:22:30 AM
Hum, let me see. She didn't say it but, even though it's unconstitutional, they're going to start taxing at a 90% rate for those bonuses that were given by AGI. One example of, "we can do what we want". Actually it's any bonuses "they" feel is excessive given by any company that receives TARP money. These are contracted bonuses that they knew existed and should have dealt with them before this TARP money was given not now after the fact. No, those companies should not have given those bonuses but that is no way to rectify something that was an oversight on their part to begin with. There is no thought behind anything that's going on in Congress lately it's just we have to get this passed before people find out what's really in it. Seems to be total chaos and self serving and they aren't even trying to hide it anymore. Meetings behind closed doors, bills being rushed through and Obama being pressured into signing them and him just grinning and signing taking their word for what's in them and us finding out after the fact. Don't give me that "but Bush" crap. If he had been letting this kind of crap go on you all would have been screaming like banshee's and you know it.
I don't recall you questioning our tax money being paid out to corrupt individuals when the Treasury gave AIG $85 BILLION on
September 16, 2008. Or when we gave them an $37.8 billion in
October, 2008.
I thought the bailout was just as wrong then as I do now and I think Bush was just as wrong for signing it as I think Obama was wrong to sign it. It was still the same people in Congress and the Dems kept saying "Bush needs to sign this",...."the Republicans are being obstructionist's", "Bush just don't care". Had he not signed it the Dem's would have just vetoed his veto but I still would rather he hadn't then all you bashers couldn't pin any part of this BS on him.
Quote from: me on March 20, 2009, 10:54:21 AM
I thought the bailout was just as wrong then as I do now and I think Bush was just as wrong for signing it as I think Obama was wrong to sign it. It was still the same people in Congress and the Dems kept saying "Bush needs to sign this",...."the Republicans are being obstructionist's", "Bush just don't care". Had he not signed it the Dem's would have just vetoed his veto but I still would rather he hadn't then all you bashers couldn't pin any part of this BS on him.
Why must we keep going over this?
:rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
"Congress and the Dems" had NOTHING TO DO with the bailout of AIG in September and October of 2008.
It was a unilateral decision by the Bush administration to direct the Federal Reserve Board to bail them out.
Guess I just dreamed all that stuff about Obama staying on the campaign trail and McCain going back to Washington for meetings then huh? Guess I just dreamed that Pelosi was on TV with her court jesters saying "we finally got this passed".
Quote from: me on March 20, 2009, 11:15:55 AM
Guess I just dreamed all that stuff about Obama staying on the campaign trail and McCain going back to Washington for meetings then huh? Guess I just dreamed that Pelosi was on TV with her court jesters saying "we finally got this passed".
Different issue. You certainly slept through this ...
http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/press/other/20080916a.htm (http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/press/other/20080916a.htm)
Oh you mean the FDIC insurance
Quote from: Bo D on March 20, 2009, 12:00:27 PM
Different issue. You certainly slept through this ...
Un-freakin-believable!
Quote from: Bo D on March 20, 2009, 10:24:57 AM
I didn't realize that the Supreme Court had already ruled on this.
They haven't but she's a Constitutional scholar, dontcha know.
Quote
Article 1, Section. 8.
Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Article I, Section. 9.
Clause 4: No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.
Is 90% uniform or in proportion?
Quote from: me on March 20, 2009, 12:35:34 PM
Oh you mean the FDIC insurance
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Here ... do this ....
Take your mouse ... roll it so that the pointer is on top of this link (it's the same link I posted above) ...
http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/press/other/20080916a.htm (http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/press/other/20080916a.htm)
Click the left button .... and read this (I'll give you the first paragraph.)
Release Date: September 16, 2008
For release at 9:00 p.m. EDT
The Federal Reserve Board on Tuesday, with the full support of the Treasury Department, authorized the Federal Reserve Bank of New York to lend up to $85 billion to the American International Group (AIG) under section 13(3) of the Federal Reserve Act. The secured loan has terms and conditions designed to protect the interests of the U.S. government and taxpayers.
.........
Now I know why people like Rush get paid so much money. Spoon-feeding people with no comprehension is HARD WORK!
I DO NOT LISTEN TO RUSH I DO NOT LIKE RUSH. I also read that paragraph and that still has nothing to do with whats going on now.
Quote from: me on March 20, 2009, 01:25:20 PM
I DO NOT LISTEN TO RUSH I DO NOT LIKE RUSH. I also read that paragraph and that still has nothing to do with whats going on now.
Rush, O'Reilly, Coulter, Malkin ... choose your poison.
You were the one that tried to tie that issue into what is going on now.
Let's recap, shall we since you seem to have the attention span of a rock.
Quote from: Bo D on March 20, 2009, 10:40:36 AM
I don't recall you questioning our tax money being paid out to corrupt individuals when the Treasury gave AIG $85 BILLION on September 16, 2008. Or when we gave them an $37.8 billion in October, 2008.
Quote from: me on March 20, 2009, 10:54:21 AM
I thought the bailout was just as wrong then as I do now and I think Bush was just as wrong for signing it as I think Obama was wrong to sign it. It was still the same people in Congress and the Dems kept saying "Bush needs to sign this",...."the Republicans are being obstructionist's", "Bush just don't care". Had he not signed it the Dem's would have just vetoed his veto but I still would rather he hadn't then all you bashers couldn't pin any part of this BS on him.
Quote from: Bo D on March 20, 2009, 11:06:12 AM
Why must we keep going over this?
:rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
"Congress and the Dems" had NOTHING TO DO with the bailout of AIG in September and October of 2008.
It was a unilateral decision by the Bush administration to direct the Federal Reserve Board to bail them out.
Quote from: Bo D on March 20, 2009, 12:00:27 PM
http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/press/other/20080916a.htm (http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/press/other/20080916a.htm)
And then a totally unbelievable comment ...
Quote from: me on March 20, 2009, 12:35:34 PM
Oh you mean the FDIC insurance
Whatever dude. It's all a crock and they should have been allowed to sink or swim any way you shake it.
Quote from: me on March 20, 2009, 01:51:16 PM
Whatever dude. It's all a crock and they should have been allowed to sink or swim any way you shake it.
Oh? So that's how it is, huh?
You are shown to be woefully ignorant on the subject and your answer is "whatever?"
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Bo D on March 20, 2009, 01:53:31 PM
Oh? So that's how it is, huh?
You are shown to be woefully ignorant on the subject and your answer is "whatever?"
:rolleyes:
Read my words Bo D
it was a bad idea to bail them out no matter who did it.
Quote from: me on March 20, 2009, 03:34:00 PM
Read my words Bo D it was a bad idea to bail them out no matter who did it.
Your words are a pitiful excuse to cover your ignorance on the issue. As it has been shown.
Quote from: Bo D on March 20, 2009, 03:56:46 PM
Your words are a pitiful excuse to cover your ignorance on the issue. As it has been shown.
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