WASHINGTON — The last time Congressional Republicans were this out of power, they turned to a college professor from Georgia, Newt Gingrich, to lead the opposition, first against President Bill Clinton in a budget battle in 1993, and then back into the majority the following year.
As Republicans confronted President Obama in another budget battle last week, their leadership included another new face: Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, who as the party's chief vote wrangler is as responsible as anyone for the tough line the party has taken in this first legislative standoff with Mr. Obama. This battle has vaulted Mr. Cantor to the front lines of his party as it tries to recover from the losses of November.
As Republican whip, Mr. Cantor succeeded again on Friday in denying the White House the support of a single House Republican on the stimulus bill. That was a calculated challenge to the president, who, in his weekly address on Saturday, hailed the bill as "an ambitious plan at a time we badly need it."
Mr. Cantor said he had studied Mr. Gingrich's years in power and had been in regular touch with him as he sought to help his party find the right tone and message. Indeed, one of Mr. Gingrich's leading victories in unifying his caucus against Mr. Clinton's package of tax increases to balance the budget in 1993 has been echoed in the events of the last few weeks.
"I talk to Newt on a regular basis because he was in the position that we are in: in the extreme minority," he said.
The Republicans can certainly count some victories, although symbolic ones. Even White House aides said Mr. Cantor and his team had been successful in seizing on spending items in the stimulus bill to sow doubts about it with the public.
The fact that House Republicans have stood firm against Mr. Obama suggests just how unified the caucus is, though Mr. Gingrich, in an interview, said Democratic leaders like Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California and Representative David R. Obey of Wisconsin, the chairman of the Appropriations Committee, did more to unify Republicans than anything Republicans did.
"I'd like to tell you Cantor did a brilliant job, but the truth is that Pelosi and Obey pushed the members into his arms," Mr. Gingrich said. But, he added, "They have been good at developing alternatives so they don't leave their guys out there chanting no."
The Republican Party is arguably weaker today than it was in 1993, given Mr. Obama's popularity and the enormous weight Republicans are carrying after eight years under President George W. Bush. Even as Mr. Cantor was urging Republicans to oppose Mr. Obama on this signature plan, he offered praise of the president, suggesting that Republicans should be careful to avoid being labeled obstructionist.
"I think people out there across the country elected this president because he inspired the notion that we can change," he said. "Not to be so trite as to invoke his campaign slogan, but I do think there was some substance behind it in terms of what people thought in voting for him.
"Banking off that mood of the country right now, I think it's incumbent upon us to reach out to him and see if we can work together."
Mr. Cantor, along with the House minority leader, Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio, faces the challenge of trying to lead a shrinking and increasingly conservative caucus. The party also faces the burden of trying to advance what Mr. Cantor describes as its bedrock value — smaller government — in the face of considerable evidence that the American public wants an increasingly active government to deal with the economic crisis.
And it is Mr. Cantor who is pushing the party in a direction that Democrats, and some Republicans, say is risky: almost lock-step opposition to Mr. Obama's economic plan. Democrats have already made clear that they intend to use those votes against Republicans in 2010, and sooner, with advertisements noting the middle-class tax cuts included in the bill.
Mr. Cantor's increasing prominence is in many ways a reminder of the difficult time the party faces after losing the presidential election and in the absence of any high-profile Republican leaders in the House or the Senate. Mr. Boehner routinely defers to him at news conferences, reflecting the concern of Republicans that they put forward new and relatively young faces. (Mr. Cantor is 45, but looks younger.)
Mr. Cantor, who has exhibited an eye for winning attention, has rushed in to fill the leadership vacuum with a daily diet of news conferences, interviews, speeches on the House floor and television appearances. "ALERT: Cantor Holds Economic Recovery Roundtable," a news release from his office announced, in describing an economic forum he will hold on Wall Street this week.
He is the only Jewish Republican in the House. This has created a thoroughly unlikely circumstance for the Republican Party, given that its other most prominent face these days is the new chairman of the Republican National Committee, Michael Steele, the first African-American to hold the post.
Mr. Cantor, who grew up in Richmond, is soft-spoken with a whisper of a Southern accent. A lawyer, he served in the Virginia House of Delegates before being elected to Congress in 2000, filling the seat once held by James Madison, as he likes to remind people.
In discussing the Republican defeat, he said: "I don't think it was an outright rejection of what I call common sense conservative principles. And as a Virginian, holding James Madison's seat, I don't think it was a rejection of the principles upon which this country was built."
Mr. Cantor is certainly different from Mr. Gingrich in some significant ways. "He's not Newt — giving off sparks every 15 seconds," said Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax reform, an influential conservative group. "While I never bought the criticism of Newt that being an ideas factory meant he suffered from A.D.D. — I think it was an unfair rap on him — to his advantage, Cantor is seen as both an ideas person and steady and stable."
Beyond that, friends of both say that Mr. Gingrich is more intellectually adventurous than Mr. Cantor, but also more prone to overreach.
"I would say my manner is such that it would seem to be a little more demure," Mr. Cantor said.
Demure or not, Mr. Cantor's press secretary was forced to apologize last week after e-mailing to a reporter a video filled with vulgar language making fun of labor unions, in response to an advertisement from the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees pressing Republicans to support the Obama plan.
Mr. Cantor acknowledged that Mr. Obama had won points from the public for appearing less partisan than Republicans in this battle, but he warned that the president should not draw the wrong lesson.
"I think it would be short-sighted for him to take away from a zero vote that he shouldn't even mess with us anymore," he said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/us/politics/15cantor.html?hp
I'll agree that the Republican party is desperately in need of new leadership. However, I honestly wish they'd set their sights a little (or a lot) higher than Newt Gingrich!
Err.....unh....Pa?
Jest ezzackly whut kinda sights are ya settin' on them folk?
Seekret Serviss is gonna likely be payin' ya a vizzit, 'lessen ya kleers that up.
:laugh:
You remember the sights on that rifle Matthew Quigley used to shoo...wait a minute, the doorbell's ringing. There's some black Suburbans parked out in the driveway and I
Quote from: Ma and Pa on February 25, 2009, 03:22:24 PM
You remember the sights on that rifle Matthew Quigley used to shoo...wait a minute, the doorbell's ringing. There's some black Suburbans parked out in the driveway and I
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Oh Roy! Where'd yah go Roy? :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
;D ;D ;D ;D
now THAT made me laugh out loud... :yes: ;D ;D
4 different minds all screaming down the same path, at the same time, with little to no discussion?!
Now that there is some scary stuff! :spooked: :spooked: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
It's the reason I hang around here so much.
Once in a while..................
:yes: :smile: :smile: :smile:
btw has anybody heard back from pa?.........it was weird how he just stopped in the middle of a sen
Dunno. . . Anybody know what all those black helicop
Aw, c'mon, all you guys are just parano
Well, I'm off the hook. I simply told the young gennelmen some guy stopped by and said he had car trouble and needed to use Ma's computer to call AAA. Claimed he worked for a chicken box printer over in Muncie and his name was "Whitehorse", or somethin' like that. Ma was supposed to keep an eye on him while I went to the bathroom, but she was admittedly "watchin' her stories" at the same time, so....Anyway, the gents seemed to have an idea of who this miscreant might be, so they lit on out of here like gasoline was only 59 cents a gallon, and we haven't heard any more from 'em since. Will keep you posted if there are any further developments. "Doo-de-doo-de-doo dum-dum" :angel: Pa
Quote from: Ma and Pa on February 25, 2009, 05:55:01 PM
...so they lit on out of here like gasoline was only 59 cents a gallon...
LMAO! Very well done! And they said the use of similes was dead...
No, smilies is alive! Here's a few for ya: :) ;D :wink: :smile: :yes: :laugh:
Yer welcome. :devilish:
Quote from: Ma and Pa on February 25, 2009, 05:55:01 PM
Well, I'm off the hook. I simply told the young gennelmen some guy stopped by and said he had car trouble and needed to use Ma's computer to call AAA. Claimed he worked for a chicken box printer over in Muncie and his name was "Whitehorse", or somethin' like that. Ma was supposed to keep an eye on him while I went to the bathroom, but she was admittedly "watchin' her stories" at the same time, so....Anyway, the gents seemed to have an idea of who this miscreant might be, so they lit on out of here like gasoline was only 59 cents a gallon, and we haven't heard any more from 'em since. Will keep you posted if there are any further developments. "Doo-de-doo-de-doo dum-dum" :angel: Pa
Why you low down skunk of a possum! No wonder I had black helicopters as thick as dragon-flies flyin' around my stall!
I sent them after some wolf dude though. . . . :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted:
Well, wolves are pretty tough critters. Reckon they can take care of theyselves.
Yep.
No worries.
Ate 'em all (buuurrrp -- s 'cuze me!) with a little horseradish sauce and a nice chianti. (Don't like fava beans.)
:smile:
FEED THE WOLF!!! :icon_twisted:
I was thinkin' guvvament men. They're tuff and stringy, but wolves could live on 'em, if they had a steady supply. (And there doesn't seem to be any shortage.) Hell, feed 'em Newt, too!
Always have hope.
As for fear -- the trick is to know WHO and WHAT to fear....and be wise enough to be wary.
All that thinkin' hurt my canine brain.
Shew.
An' as for the feed -- I eats 'em where I finds 'em. :smile:
ftw: Hope is an important commodity, especially in this world today. But hope without action is merely a chimera. Remember what Teddy said: "Speak softly and carry a big stick." And I'm reminded of an old song: "Praise the Lord, and Pass the Ammunition!"
I was thinking about:
An elder Cherokee Native American was teaching his grandchildren about life. He said to them, "A fight is going on inside me... It is a terrible fight, and it is between two wolves.
One wolf represents fear, anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, pride and superiority.
The other wolf stands for joy, peace, love, hope, sharing, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, friendship, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith.
This same fight is going on inside of you and every other person too." They thought about it for a minute and then one child asked his grandfather, "Which wolf will win?"
The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one I feed."
Like I said, I always have hope, and I eats 'em where I finds 'em. That's the "hope with action" part.
As to not feeding fear -- it is wise to master fear, avoiding foolish bravado, but not being intimidated by loud but insignificant voices.
And there we have it; eastern and western philosophies surrounding the wisdom of nurturing hope verses fear. :biggrin:
Quote from: followsthewolf on February 26, 2009, 02:13:13 PM
Like I said, I always have hope, and I eats 'em where I finds 'em. That's the "hope with action" part.
As to not feeding fear -- it is wise to master fear, avoiding foolish bravado, but not being intimidated by loud but insignificant voices.
Love that thought!
Here's another that I particularly like - from Proverbs chapter 10.
8 The wise are glad to be instructed, but babbling fools fall flat on their faces.
9 People with integrity have firm footing, but those who follow crooked paths will slip and fall.
10 People who wink at wrong cause trouble, but a bold reproof promotes peace
Quote from: Mom on February 25, 2009, 10:51:47 AM
WASHINGTON — The last time Congressional Republicans were this out of power, they turned to a college professor from Georgia, Newt Gingrich, to lead the opposition, first against President Bill Clinton in a budget battle in 1993, and then back into the majority the following year.
As Republicans confronted President Obama in another budget battle last week, their leadership included another new face: Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, who as the party's chief vote wrangler is as responsible as anyone for the tough line the party has taken in this first legislative standoff with Mr. Obama. This battle has vaulted Mr. Cantor to the front lines of his party as it tries to recover from the losses of November.
As Republican whip, Mr. Cantor succeeded again on Friday in denying the White House the support of a single House Republican on the stimulus bill. That was a calculated challenge to the president, who, in his weekly address on Saturday, hailed the bill as "an ambitious plan at a time we badly need it."
Mr. Cantor said he had studied Mr. Gingrich's years in power and had been in regular touch with him as he sought to help his party find the right tone and message. Indeed, one of Mr. Gingrich's leading victories in unifying his caucus against Mr. Clinton's package of tax increases to balance the budget in 1993 has been echoed in the events of the last few weeks.
"I talk to Newt on a regular basis because he was in the position that we are in: in the extreme minority," he said.
The Republicans can certainly count some victories, although symbolic ones. Even White House aides said Mr. Cantor and his team had been successful in seizing on spending items in the stimulus bill to sow doubts about it with the public.
The fact that House Republicans have stood firm against Mr. Obama suggests just how unified the caucus is, though Mr. Gingrich, in an interview, said Democratic leaders like Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California and Representative David R. Obey of Wisconsin, the chairman of the Appropriations Committee, did more to unify Republicans than anything Republicans did.
"I'd like to tell you Cantor did a brilliant job, but the truth is that Pelosi and Obey pushed the members into his arms," Mr. Gingrich said. But, he added, "They have been good at developing alternatives so they don't leave their guys out there chanting no."
The Republican Party is arguably weaker today than it was in 1993, given Mr. Obama's popularity and the enormous weight Republicans are carrying after eight years under President George W. Bush. Even as Mr. Cantor was urging Republicans to oppose Mr. Obama on this signature plan, he offered praise of the president, suggesting that Republicans should be careful to avoid being labeled obstructionist.
"I think people out there across the country elected this president because he inspired the notion that we can change," he said. "Not to be so trite as to invoke his campaign slogan, but I do think there was some substance behind it in terms of what people thought in voting for him.
"Banking off that mood of the country right now, I think it's incumbent upon us to reach out to him and see if we can work together."
Mr. Cantor, along with the House minority leader, Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio, faces the challenge of trying to lead a shrinking and increasingly conservative caucus. The party also faces the burden of trying to advance what Mr. Cantor describes as its bedrock value — smaller government — in the face of considerable evidence that the American public wants an increasingly active government to deal with the economic crisis.
And it is Mr. Cantor who is pushing the party in a direction that Democrats, and some Republicans, say is risky: almost lock-step opposition to Mr. Obama's economic plan. Democrats have already made clear that they intend to use those votes against Republicans in 2010, and sooner, with advertisements noting the middle-class tax cuts included in the bill.
Mr. Cantor's increasing prominence is in many ways a reminder of the difficult time the party faces after losing the presidential election and in the absence of any high-profile Republican leaders in the House or the Senate. Mr. Boehner routinely defers to him at news conferences, reflecting the concern of Republicans that they put forward new and relatively young faces. (Mr. Cantor is 45, but looks younger.)
Mr. Cantor, who has exhibited an eye for winning attention, has rushed in to fill the leadership vacuum with a daily diet of news conferences, interviews, speeches on the House floor and television appearances. "ALERT: Cantor Holds Economic Recovery Roundtable," a news release from his office announced, in describing an economic forum he will hold on Wall Street this week.
He is the only Jewish Republican in the House. This has created a thoroughly unlikely circumstance for the Republican Party, given that its other most prominent face these days is the new chairman of the Republican National Committee, Michael Steele, the first African-American to hold the post.
Mr. Cantor, who grew up in Richmond, is soft-spoken with a whisper of a Southern accent. A lawyer, he served in the Virginia House of Delegates before being elected to Congress in 2000, filling the seat once held by James Madison, as he likes to remind people.
In discussing the Republican defeat, he said: "I don't think it was an outright rejection of what I call common sense conservative principles. And as a Virginian, holding James Madison's seat, I don't think it was a rejection of the principles upon which this country was built."
Mr. Cantor is certainly different from Mr. Gingrich in some significant ways. "He's not Newt — giving off sparks every 15 seconds," said Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax reform, an influential conservative group. "While I never bought the criticism of Newt that being an ideas factory meant he suffered from A.D.D. — I think it was an unfair rap on him — to his advantage, Cantor is seen as both an ideas person and steady and stable."
Beyond that, friends of both say that Mr. Gingrich is more intellectually adventurous than Mr. Cantor, but also more prone to overreach.
"I would say my manner is such that it would seem to be a little more demure," Mr. Cantor said.
Demure or not, Mr. Cantor's press secretary was forced to apologize last week after e-mailing to a reporter a video filled with vulgar language making fun of labor unions, in response to an advertisement from the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees pressing Republicans to support the Obama plan.
Mr. Cantor acknowledged that Mr. Obama had won points from the public for appearing less partisan than Republicans in this battle, but he warned that the president should not draw the wrong lesson.
"I think it would be short-sighted for him to take away from a zero vote that he shouldn't even mess with us anymore," he said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/us/politics/15cantor.html?hp
Keep burying your heads in the sand...
This fiscally conservative moderate middle of this country is only going to put up with so much of this.
Republicans stand firm on the principle that it is more beneficial to offer a hand up than a hand out.
Please, by all means, keep on touting the heart wrenching examples of the plight of "ordinary americans" like Julio @ the town hall meeting in Florida.
Republicans don't need to do anything, plastering the likes of Julio all over the media will do just fine in making 2010 another 1994.
Quote from: Doc on February 27, 2009, 10:37:56 PM
Republicans stand firm on the principle that it is more beneficial to offer a hand up than a hand out.
This is so true, DOC (dumb of the country). Republicans are ALL about a hand up to the wealthiest in the country. They just can't give enough;
American worker's wages have actually gone down since Reaganomics were introduced. The wealthiest's income has gone up 500 percent.
Unions have been busted all over, beginning with Reagan, the very thing that gave us a middle class. But busting unions puts more money in the pockets of the wealthiest few.
CEO's made about 5 times their average employee's salary before Reagan. Now, 500 times.
The financial sector now owns and runs everything, from the war in iraq to your healthcare and that is ALL about lining the pockets of the wealthiest few.
So, dumb asses like yourself just keep hoping for a better life for the wealthiest few while REAL Americans suffer. The irony of your choice in leadership only speaks to your gullibility in being lied to. The dumb part comes from the fact you should know better, but you keep believing the same shit over and over, especially from one of your own, bush junior; that good 'ol boy from yer neck ah tha wooods. Never had a job, never worked a day in his life, born to priveledge only afforded the wealthiest of us all, but he was a drinkin buddy to your crowd. Sad.
So, thank you doc. Thanks to all the dumb asses that voted for the GOP so they could destroy the middle class, our economy and America.
Here Dan this is for you:
Quote from: dan foster on March 01, 2009, 10:42:30 AM
Thanks to all the dumb asses that voted for the GOP so they could destroy the middle class, our economy and America.
it seems as if the dems are doing a grand ol job by themselves... :yes:
Quote from: me on March 01, 2009, 02:37:25 PM
Here Dan this is for you:
Like you have one to give away. :rolleyes:
Quote from: dan foster on March 01, 2009, 10:42:30 AM
This is so true, DOC (dumb of the country). Republicans are ALL about a hand up to the wealthiest in the country. They just can't give enough;
American worker's wages have actually gone down since Reaganomics were introduced. The wealthiest's income has gone up 500 percent.
Unions have been busted all over, beginning with Reagan, the very thing that gave us a middle class. But busting unions puts more money in the pockets of the wealthiest few.
CEO's made about 5 times their average employee's salary before Reagan. Now, 500 times.
The financial sector now owns and runs everything, from the war in iraq to your healthcare and that is ALL about lining the pockets of the wealthiest few.
So, dumb asses like yourself just keep hoping for a better life for the wealthiest few while REAL Americans suffer. The irony of your choice in leadership only speaks to your gullibility in being lied to. The dumb part comes from the fact you should know better, but you keep believing the same shit over and over, especially from one of your own, bush junior; that good 'ol boy from yer neck ah tha wooods. Never had a job, never worked a day in his life, born to priveledge only afforded the wealthiest of us all, but he was a drinkin buddy to your crowd. Sad.
So, thank you doc. Thanks to all the dumb asses that voted for the GOP so they could destroy the middle class, our economy and America.
This Post was so good and true. I thought I'd bring it up again. With Newt Gingrich "Contract with American", written in 1993, is one of the finest blueprints to the destruction of the middle class in America that has ever been written. Just a good as Mien Kampf by Hitler in 1924 was for the German people.
Talk about a Judas goat leading the Republican Teabagger party sheeple to hell.
:biggrin: I like that expression "Judas goat leading the teabagger party sheeple to hell"
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2009, 08:20:42 AM
it seems as if the dems are doing a grand ol job by themselves... :yes:
after inheriting an incredible fucking mess from W.
Oops, make that Cheney. W was too dumb to do a goddamn thing.
Quote from: Palehorse on February 25, 2009, 08:06:16 PM
Why you low down skunk of a possum! No wonder I had black helicopters as thick as dragon-flies flyin' around my stall!
I sent them after some wolf dude though. . . . :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted:
Oh, you wouldn't do that to poor old man :wolf: :no: