I was watching a program about Elvis. It was his wife and her parents talking about his life.
I'm not tryin' to crush any Elvis fans here but something she and her parents said didn't sit well with me.
Her dad said "I had a problem at first with those two because she was only 14 years old and Elvis was 24 years old."
Now to one of us if it had been our daughter we'd be yelling pedophile!
Her parents were afraid she'd hate them for the rest of their life(their reason for allowing it).
So because they allowed it then he's just another guy or is he considered a pedophile?
Yes I'm well aware he's deceased,but that doesn't change how I look at a 14 year old being the lover of a 24 year old. :spooked:
Then you have R Kelly who slept with an underaged girl and was called a rapist,pedophile,people were shouting not to buy his music,or listen to it,not to go too any of his concerts,....
The difference is that girl lied about her age and her parents didn't allow the "make out" evening or what?
To me they are both wrong.
Ok I allow my 16 year old son to date a 26 year old woman. ~NOT GONNA HAPPEN!~
I'm going to borrow CC for a minute here.
CC allows her 16 year old daughter to date a 26 year old man. ~NOT GONNA HAPPEN!~
Not only are you all thinking or going to say me and her a dumb moms,but what else would you say about the whole situation?
I agree! The thought of a 14 year old and a 24 year old is gross to me!
A different time and place I guess.
Quote from: kimmi on January 03, 2009, 06:56:20 PM
I agree! The thought of a 14 year old and a 24 year old is gross to me!
A different time and place I guess.
I see what you're saying about different times,but was it not a law back then?
I don't know. I guess there were probably too many shotgun weddings in the south to have a law! :biggrin:
Quote from: kimmi on January 03, 2009, 07:06:23 PM
I don't know. I guess there were probably too many shotgun weddings in the south to have a law! :biggrin:
:spooked:
yeah...older men always seem to marry much younger women back in the day...look at Loretta Lynn...she was 13 when she married 21 year old Mooney Lynn......and pregnant at 14.
Watch the movie "Bubba Hotep". It tells the true story of Elvis and is becoming a cult classic.
Supposedly, Elvis didn't sleep w/Priscilla until she reached her 18th birthday. I remember when I first read that and I thought, "yeah right". If that were so, then why was it necessary for him to move her to the U.S. before then?
Honestly, I agree with AW. Elvis would have just gone away mad. There's NO way I would allow my 14 year old daughter to date a 24 year old nor move to another country w/him. I don't care how famous he is.
I'm with dubs on this one too. That's just sicko! :spooked:
Never cared for him much anyway.
I don't know. Wasn't it the 50's? Definately different times. My grandmother married my grand father when she was 15 and he was 22. They had their first child when she was 17 and my father when she was 19. The year they married, I believe was 1934.
I don't believe a man falling in love with one teenager makes him a pedophile. I believe though, if it's real love, he'll wait until she's of age before he pursues her.
My 2nd daughter was 17, and she fell in love with a 22 year old. 4 years later they married. I'm probably not the best example to borrow from. She's the only child I've had that even looked at someone older than her as a teenager.
Quote from: pariann on January 04, 2009, 01:18:44 AM
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I don't believe a man falling in love with one teenager makes him a pedophile. . .
In the eyes of the law today, the date that matters, it does indeed make him a pedophile. If he were hauled before the court he would be a registered sex offender.
Yes how many of those 18 or 19 year old boys that get charged with it because they slept with their 16 year old girlfriend and her mom got pissed!!
Quote from: pariann on January 04, 2009, 01:18:44 AM
I don't know. Wasn't it the 50's? Definately different times. My grandmother married my grand father when she was 15 and he was 22. They had their first child when she was 17 and my father when she was 19. The year they married, I believe was 1934.
I don't believe a man falling in love with one teenager makes him a pedophile. I believe though, if it's real love, he'll wait until she's of age before he pursues her.
My 2nd daughter was 17, and she fell in love with a 22 year old. 4 years later they married. I'm probably not the best example to borrow from. She's the only child I've had that even looked at someone older than her as a teenager.
No matter one teen or two. No 14 year old knows anything about being a 24 year olds "lover."
Quote from: kimmi on January 04, 2009, 03:38:14 PM
Yes how many of those 18 or 19 year old boys that get charged with it because they slept with their 16 year old girlfriend and her mom got pissed!!
They should find 18 plus year olds to have as a lover.
Apparently you chose to overlook where I said that I believe if it's real love the man will not pursue her until she is of age.
I still don't believe that a man falling in love with one girl who is under the age of consent makes him a pedophile. Is he a pedophile if he meets that same girl when she's 34 and he's 44 and he falls in love with her?
I won't get into the spiritual aspect of souls who know one another on a subconscious level.
What it all comes down to is how the adult conducts themselves towards the minor.
I think it should ALWAYS be between the parents.....NOT the government......that is why, marriage is a very important institution....the father is 'giving' away his daughter...and in most cases, before the eyes of God....to make a "life long" commentment between a man and a woman....at least that is the way it was intended..........and has be completely..."bastardized" (for the lack of a better word)....for me, I'm pretty certain, that Mr. Presley would have to come back in four years, to even begin a realtionship with my daughter...and I hope by that time, I have taught my daughter to be able to make "wise" decisions for herself.
Marriage is a legal contract so therefore the governement is involved. Marriage for love or in the eyes of a god is a totally different matter altogether. In otherwords, you can have a life long commitment w/out a marriage license. That's when the government becomes involved.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on January 05, 2009, 10:40:02 AM
Marriage is a legal contract so therefore the governement is involved. Marriage for love or in the eyes of a god is a totally different matter altogether. In otherwords, you can have a life long commitment w/out a marriage license. That's when the government becomes involved.
I'm saying that, at least for those who choose to take God's word for what it is...........Marriage is MORE than a "legal contract"....and YES, the gov IS definatly involved...I want or wish, the marriage institution, could be revered MORE than what it is....it is MY personal belief, that, the lack of those who choose to take "marriage" as a sacred bond, is why we have this HUGE moral decay in our society today.......and Sandy, I agree that you can have a life long commitment w/out a marriage license..........and would prefer THAT over a piece of paper that can be revoked for a few $$.
Quote from: kimmi on January 03, 2009, 06:56:20 PM
A different...place I guess.
Tennessee...'nuf said.
Quote from: pariann on January 04, 2009, 07:47:06 PM
Apparently you chose to overlook where I said that I believe if it's real love the man will not pursue her until she is of age.
I still don't believe that a man falling in love with one girl who is under the age of consent makes him a pedophile. Is he a pedophile if he meets that same girl when she's 34 and he's 44 and he falls in love with her?
I won't get into the spiritual aspect of souls who know one another on a subconscious level.
What it all comes down to is how the adult conducts themselves towards the minor.
I didn't choose to overlook anything. No 24 year old man who lusts for a 14 year old girl is going to not pursue her. That was my point in saying what I said.
Okay, you are using the word lust. Love does not necessarily equate to lust. Why does it have to be lust? Why can't it be love?
I have to say, I've been in love, and sex with that person was not uppermost in my mind. But having them in my life was. I think that some of the people are jumping to conclusions about the thought processes of others.
Quote from: pariann on January 05, 2009, 07:39:23 PM
Okay, you are using the word lust. Love does not necessarily equate to lust. Why does it have to be lust? Why can't it be love?
You love your 14 year old cousin. That's one thing,but if you fall in love with a 14 year old then there's
a serious problem. I love my sister but I'm not in love with her. To think romantic about a 14 year old at the age of 24 years old isn't right to me. CC I'm sure you've seen some cute kids,but you aren't in love with them. I've seen some cute kids with adorable smiles,but I am not in love with them.
I have to say, I've been in love, and sex with that person was not uppermost in my mind. But having them in my life was. I think that some of the people are jumping to conclusions about the thought processes of others.
Were you 24 years old and he was 14 years old? Was he 24 years old and you were 14 years old?
Adults have trouble understanding being in love so how does a 14 year old know anything about it? They think they do,but they don't. How many teens have different boyfriends or girlfriends every other month? You don't see anything wrong with being in love with a teen and I do. Jumping to conclusions? I don't think so. I just don't agree with you on this. *Shrugs*
You aren't the only one with a difference of opinion. I said nothing at all about the teen being in love with the 24 year old. But there is more to what I'm thinking than just someone seeing someone they think is pretty or cute. I just won't go into it here, because I'm not trying to sway anyone's opinion of what they think a pedophile is. I am just expressing my opinion that a man falling in love with ONE teenager, does not make him a pedophile. If a man preferred to only have some kind of relationship with teenage girls, and the goal was to initiate intimate contact to satisfy his own desires, then that would be a pedophile. I just don't believe in labeling everyone with one name, when there may be a completely different motive behind the feelings of someone.
Does that mean I'm going to let my two younger daughters have relationships with older men? NO! But I would expect that if it's true love, that older man won't approach my daughter until she is of legal age.